1st Grow - Hubbabubbasmelloscope in DWC & Water Farm

cjsbabygirl313 said:

Here’s tonight’s 3/20/18 update folks.

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#1 no improvement ... she’s still got increasing spots and is at a whopping height of 3.5” .. dont see any new root growth. Last night her water was at 350ppm and 6.1ph - tonight still at 350ppm and 6.3ph

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#2 has some additional spots on the leaves, Feeding last night was 480ppm and 6.0 ph and tonight she’s at she’s at 460ppm and 6.2ph ... 4.75” tall - however, seeing some browning in the center of her increasing root mass.

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Seriously thinking some calmag at this point couldnt *hurt* anything for either plant, and do I add some H2O2 to deal with the browning in the root mass of #2?

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oh wrong wrong wrong...
Never add h202!!!!!!
You just killed all the +life, and caused dead matter, which in turn feeds bad biology... So you just caused pythuim.
Dump anything you put h202 in, and rinse completely.
Remake the buckets and just let the +life do its job.
I seen your air temps at 80+..
bring them down... put a frozen 20 ounce bottle in each bucket every day..
Only thing you ever use h202 on is stem rot...

and calmag isnt the problem..
Your changing the water level did this to 1...
Have you been pouring the water down thru the hydroton every day like I told you?

Homie Da Clown said:

oh wrong wrong wrong...
Never add h202!!!!!!
You just killed all the +life, and caused dead matter, which in turn feeds bad biology... So you just caused pythuim.
Dump anything you put h202 in, and rinse completely.
Remake the buckets and just let the +life do its job.
I seen your air temps at 80+..
bring them down... put a frozen 20 ounce bottle in each bucket every day..
Only thing you ever use h202 on is stem rot...

and calmag isnt the problem..
Your changing the water level did this to 1...
Have you been pouring the water down thru the hydroton every day like I told you?

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Lol - nope I didnt add any h2o2!!! Yup - still pouring bucket water through hydroton in #1 ... also, how does the frozen bottle in each bucket bring down the air temps? I can see it bringing down res temps ... but air?

Edit: my exhaust fan is already on high and I have the 2 small fans running to help keep air temps down below 80 (mostly air temps hover around 77-79). Also, I am still running the warm steam vaporizer to keep the humidity up best as I can - could that also be raising temps? Gonna be cold tonight here with this Nor’Easter

Homie Da Clown said:

oh wrong wrong wrong...
Never add h202!!!!!!
You just killed all the +life, and caused dead matter, which in turn feeds bad biology... So you just caused pythuim.
Dump anything you put h202 in, and rinse completely.
Remake the buckets and just let the +life do its job.
I seen your air temps at 80+..
bring them down... put a frozen 20 ounce bottle in each bucket every day..
Only thing you ever use h202 on is stem rot...

and calmag isnt the problem..
Your changing the water level did this to 1...
Have you been pouring the water down thru the hydroton every day like I told you?

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You think dropping the water from a bit up the net pot to the bottom of the net pot caused this? What I don’t get is res temps are 70 (not high really) and it’s still happening. I see lots running mid 70’s with hydroguard and no issues. What temps can you maintain and run life+ successfully? I am losing faith in life lol.

cjsbabygirl313 said:

Lol - nope I didnt add any h2o2!!! Yup - still pouring bucket water through hydroton in #1 ... also, how does the frozen bottle in each bucket bring down the air temps? I can see it bringing down res temps ... but air?

Edit: my exhaust fan is already on high and I have the 2 small fans running to help keep air temps down below 80 (mostly air temps hover around 77-79). Also, I am still running the warm steam vaporizer to keep the humidity up best as I can - could that also be raising temps? Gonna be cold tonight here with this Nor’Easter

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As I’m sure you’ve read else where lots do run sterile res’s successfully to battle rot, I did for a couple of years actually but I do prefer bennies as you can’t over do it. What does your intake consist of,, sorry if I missed it? What are your outdoor temps. What’s humidity with humidifier on and off

cjsbabygirl313 said:

Lol - nope I didnt add any h2o2!!! Yup - still pouring bucket water through hydroton in #1 ... also, how does the frozen bottle in each bucket bring down the air temps? I can see it bringing down res temps ... but air?

Edit: my exhaust fan is already on high and I have the 2 small fans running to help keep air temps down below 80 (mostly air temps hover around 77-79). Also, I am still running the warm steam vaporizer to keep the humidity up best as I can - could that also be raising temps? Gonna be cold tonight here with this Nor’Easter

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oh snap I read it wrong.. Sorry im just about got this room and all 22 plants ready to go.. Its a damn second job!
Um well the bottle for water temps...
Well number 2 likes it so we aint gonna change anything.

Budley Doright said:

You think dropping the water from a bit up the net pot to the bottom of the net pot caused this? What I don’t get is res temps are 70 (not high really) and it’s still happening. I see lots running mid 70’s with hydroguard and no issues. What temps can you maintain and run life+ successfully? I am losing faith in life lol.

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I dont really know what temps you can safely grow in.. I got ppl swear by it to about 80. Same with hydrogaurd.. Ive used it to about 75 I guess...And Im getting ready to run 8 of them with no chiller and only +life.. So we will see.........

Budley Doright said:

You think dropping the water from a bit up the net pot to the bottom of the net pot caused this? What I don’t get is res temps are 70 (not high really) and it’s still happening. I see lots running mid 70’s with hydroguard and no issues. What temps can you maintain and run life+ successfully? I am losing faith in life lol.

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well we are assuming that water temps caused this and i dont beleive that. I dont beleive the roots have rot.. Im not sure why the plant acts like a retard when you suddenly change the water level, but I seen it happen to mine too once... Might cause whats called damping off...
And you cant lose faith in something till we have used it...

@Homie Da Clown ... so I’m guessing you advise me to just syay the course for the time being? How anout the ph - leave it or drop it?

22 plants - you’re a braver soul than I am!

Budley Doright said:

As I’m sure you’ve read else where lots do run sterile res’s successfully to battle rot, I did for a couple of years actually but I do prefer bennies as you can’t over do it. What does your intake consist of,, sorry if I missed it? What are your outdoor temps. What’s humidity with humidifier on and off

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My intake is just passive intake - 1 vent at the bottom fully open (about 6” x 9” I’m guessing) - exhaust fan is 203CFM - outside has been chilly (low to mid 40’s) ... humidifier off is about 28-29%RH, on is about 45%RH

cjsbabygirl313 said:

@Homie Da Clown ... so I’m guessing you advise me to just syay the course for the time being? How anout the ph - leave it or drop it?

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I have a question
what is the deal with the water levels
are they going down?
are you adding water back to keep the levels steady?

also
I grow around 82-84f ambient room temps
my res stays at 68-72

Wisher2 said:

I have a question
what is the deal with the water levels
are they going down?
are you adding water back to keep the levels steady?

also
I grow around 82-84f ambient room temps
my res stays at 68-72

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@Homie Da Clown had me add water back yesterday, they’re not going down by much... i think he just had me do it for top-off purposes and he had me bring up the ppm on #2 ... she’s really starting to look nice

Homie Da Clown said:

well we are assuming that water temps caused this and i dont beleive that. I dont beleive the roots have rot.. Im not sure why the plant acts like a retard when you suddenly change the water level, but I seen it happen to mine too once... Might cause whats called damping off...
And you cant lose faith in something till we have used it...

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I’ve had dampening off and that’s when the plants fall over and the stalk rots not roots and only with cuttings, but again not an expert. The plant was suffering when the water level was higher so I’m thinking dropping is not the cause, but it may be worse and that may be that it’s warmer above the water so technically a kill zone. I was running sprayers at the time and the root chamber was hot, I had to actually run a constant spray of chilled water to save them. I’m not assuming, I’m guessing lol, assuming can be dangerous lol. As for the Life, well again my experience was a turn around to the start of healthy roots in 2-3 days, again I did drop res temps as well.

cjsbabygirl313 said:

@Homie Da Clown had me add water back yesterday, they’re not going down by much... i think he just had me do it for top-off purposes and he had me bring up the ppm on #2 ... she’s really starting to look nice

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if #1 is stalling out then there is something wrong
but if there are brown roots
then it may have bad stuff goin on

cjsbabygirl313 said:

@Homie Da Clown had me add water back yesterday, they’re not going down by much... i think he just had me do it for top-off purposes and he had me bring up the ppm on #2 ... she’s really starting to look nice

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Wisher2 said:

I have a question
what is the deal with the water levels
are they going down?
are you adding water back to keep the levels steady?

also
I grow around 82-84f ambient room temps
my res stays at 68-72

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her line was wrong on her water level...
Her water level should always be at bottom of netpot.
If she adds back but raises the water level past that line then it floods the root crown and well you know from there.
So im not for sure if she had to raise them or lower them? And thats is prob key there..
Sorry this run is a damn adventure... Aint they all for me ...
Ha ha ha
22 plants under 3200 watts hps
I re ran all my ducting and lights.

I would change res with fresh nutes and get ph down to 5.6 ish, roots will do better at a lower ph. I would also double the hydroguard dose and yes keep adding life as they seem to have good luck. Add ice if you want but if it touches the roots they will not like that lol. I would also turn off the humidifier for a bit just to see, a drier room will cause the moisture in the root zone to evaporate lowering temps. The roots in the actual hydroton may be getting to warm as well, that’s kind of what happened to me except they were hanging in super moist hot air. I’m not trying to confuse anyone, just saying what I would do .

Homie Da Clown said:

her line was wrong on her water level...
Her water level should always be at bottom of netpot.
If she adds back but raises the water level past that line then it floods the root crown and well you know from there.
So im not for sure if she had to raise them or lower them? And thats is prob key there..
Sorry this run is a damn adventure... Aint they all for me ...
Ha ha ha
22 plants under 3200 watts hps
I re ran all my ducting and lights.

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I just didnt know one way or another

we have never really talked about water levels other than they should always be about 1/4-1/2" below the net pot

just didnt know

Wisher2 said:

if #1 is stalling out then there is something wrong
but if there are brown roots
then it may have bad stuff goin on

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there def is.. Im hoping the+life would heal what ever is going on in that rhizophere. Like I said I thought she might have had stem rot right above the crown from changing the water level

Homie Da Clown said:

her line was wrong on her water level...
Her water level should always be at bottom of netpot.
If she adds back but raises the water level past that line then it floods the root crown and well you know from there.
So im not for sure if she had to raise them or lower them? And thats is prob key there..
Sorry this run is a damn adventure... Aint they all for me ...
Ha ha ha
22 plants under 3200 watts hps
I re ran all my ducting and lights.

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Do not most running DWC run the water a few inches below the pot? Does the bubbling water not then moisten the lower portion of the hydroton but not flood it?

Budley Doright said:

I would change res with fresh nutes and get ph down to 5.6 ish, roots will do better at a lower ph. I would also double the hydroguard dose and yes keep adding life as they seem to have good luck. Add ice if you want but if it touches the roots they will not like that lol. I would also turn off the humidifier for a bit just to see, a drier room will cause the moisture in the root zone to evaporate lowering temps. The roots in the actual hydroton may be getting to warm as well, that’s kind of what happened to me except they were hanging in super moist hot air. I’m not trying to confuse anyone, just saying what I would do .

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good advice.. Use paper plates to cover the hydroton...

Budley Doright said:

Do not most running DWC run the water a few inches below the pot? Does the bubbling water not then moisten the lower portion of the hydroton but not flood it?

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Ive done it both ways and a UC grower that had a 50k room said he ALWAYS ran his buckets at bottom of netpot... That was good enough for me...
but like I said I have done both ways successfully...

I would also try and get more air in and exhaust more air out just to get plant root zone lower if unable to chill the water, I have my exhaust intake fastened to my hoods but they are not air cooled, just batwings wth duct take offs attached and piping attached to take offs, I run 75-78 but again water is 66