16000+ watts medigrow: og kush+ 13 x 1kw hps + 3 x t5 badboys + grotek = *HAPPY JOY*

collective gardener

collective gardener

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mellokitty said:
far as i know, not yet.
there's these guys: http://www.cannabistradeassociation.ca/
the "cannabis trade association" -- they seem to have the right idea, but they're not "officially mandated" or anything like that. participation is completely voluntary (as far as i know, as of now).

and we all know what a --fucking joke-- the AAFPCO labelling guidelines are. the basic message is, "if WE don't recognise a material as having a particular agri/horticultural result, YOU don't get to claim that it does -- even if it IS backed up with bleeding-edge science. and good fucking luck trying to get us to recognise that result. how much $$ you got?"

and FUCKING RIGHTS i want my cake and eat it too..... AND the ganache frosting. with whip cream and a cherry. and a brulee layer. and and and. just like a certain mr "organic rockwool" i know of. *coff coff*
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Ok. We have the OMRI, you have AAFPCO. You have Cannabis Trade Association, we have a couple dudes with a nice bong and a dream. I get it.

So low a blow with the organic rockwool comment. I get it. I want it all, too. By the time I get organics to pump out what I need, it won't be good enough. Veganics will be the thing. It's already gaining ground. Then aquaculture. On the organic rockwool topic, Tech S said I could get a micro herd going in there, but asked why I would want it. Picture stupid look on my face and silence. He seemed to think the new line would work just fine in a sterile medium...and still be totally organic, and just maybe kick some ass on the weight front. Then, of course, I got the lecture on rockwool's carbon footprint. My wife looked at me like I was a Nazi. Killer of the earth. Rockwool user. Glad I saved all my 1, 2, 5, and 10 gallon containers.
 
dannyboy602

dannyboy602

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Spent hours reading your journal miss kitty. As always you take lovely photos and the commentary is always charming. Have a great weekend and thx for sending all this cold air down my way. It actually feels like autumn today.
 
Beansly

Beansly

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I'm glad weed hasn't proliferated my area so much that people can actually demand it be grown one way or another lol.
Around here, were glad if it's just strong decent weed, let alone how it was grown. Not that demanding organic is bad, I just want to streamline my grow and soil indoors in this day and age is just---barbaric *said with snoopy British face
 
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Tran Dinh

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Beansly said:
I'm glad weed hasn't proliferated my area so much that people can actually demand it be grown one way or another lol.
Around here, were glad if it's just strong decent weed, let alone how it was grown. Not that demanding organic is bad, I just want to streamline my grow and soil indoors in this day and age is just---barbaric *said with snoopy British face
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Some really lovely ppl in this thread, props:blsmoke:

Would you eat a hydroponically grown tomato or lettuce. I do, but i prefer soil grown, organically from my backyard.
Hydro- providing basic nutrient profile in soluble form, one is in full control of feeding
Organic- nurturing a symbiotic relationship between soil microbes and the plant, feed the soil not the plant. Creating that in a container can be challenging. A good mix essential.
I use LCs mix, fully amended just add water/tea/worm tea/neptune whatever you want if you want. MAny good growers achieving big nugs with this recipe.

Another reason i smoke my own, Was a guy here yesterday asking about
Derris Dust (poisn) in early flower!! if i dont laugh ill cry.
Many issues facing us international cannabis enthusiasts spread over many topics- patients, regulation, de-criminalisation, i just try to concentrate on my little slice and do the best i can otherwise i think my head would explode. RIP Jack Herer
 
mellokitty

mellokitty

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collective gardener said:
Ok. We have the OMRI, you have AAFPCO. You have Cannabis Trade Association, we have a couple dudes with a nice bong and a dream. I get it.

So low a blow with the organic rockwool comment. I get it. I want it all, too. By the time I get organics to pump out what I need, it won't be good enough. Veganics will be the thing. It's already gaining ground. Then aquaculture. On the organic rockwool topic, Tech S said I could get a micro herd going in there, but asked why I would want it. Picture stupid look on my face and silence. He seemed to think the new line would work just fine in a sterile medium...and still be totally organic, and just maybe kick some ass on the weight front. Then, of course, I got the lecture on rockwool's carbon footprint. My wife looked at me like I was a Nazi. Killer of the earth. Rockwool user. Glad I saved all my 1, 2, 5, and 10 gallon containers.
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uuuuum, let me get this straight (and i'm not sure i do so bear with me).... we BOTH have AAPFCO (association of american plant food certification officials)... they don't so much make the rules as set the standards that a lot of the rules are based on; most state departments of agri adhere to their guidelines.
OMRI is american, right?
we have something called the Canada Organic Regime, it's a lot like the USDA "organic" label, where the product has to be 90-odd % "organic" according to a set of standards.
the canadian Fertilizer Act is apparently a huge pain in the ass with massive amounts of red tape involved, and not in a good way, as there aren't any stringent regulations regarding the use of words like "natural" and "organic" in products with heavy metals or synthetics, for example. in short, my understanding is that in order to have the OMRI or COR label, the product has to pretty well be "organic" the way you or i or the granolahead next door would see it; the word organic, however, is largely a free-for-all, and that goes for labelling beyond food and ferts.
this article is from 2005 but it's the most recent mention i can find of the proposed changes to AAPFCO's organic standards; i can't find anything about the changes going from "proposed" to "implemented".... http://newfarm.rodaleinstitute.org/columns/org_news/jan05/org_fertilizer.shtml

oh, and i wasn't going for the carbon footprint jugular with the rockwool comment, i were pokin fun abooot our mutual delusions of grandeur with the wanting it all.

dagnabbit, i think i'm gonna need another fridge, for the tea. fridges take up power, dammit. :cuss:
 
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Tran Dinh

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look i dont want to clutter this thread but im soo glad you guys are are actually even debating this and are so damned informed, gives me hope.
*choof choof
 
mellokitty

mellokitty

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Tran Dinh said:
look i dont want to clutter this thread but im soo glad you guys are are actually even debating this and are so damned informed, gives me hope.
*choof choof
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feel free to jump in anywhere; you seem pretty well-read yourself. ;)
oh, and i'm not so much "informed" as i have friends in the nute industry who like to bitch about the hoops they have to jump through to bring a new nutrient product to market.
 
collective gardener

collective gardener

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mellokitty said:
uuuuum, let me get this straight (and i'm not sure i do so bear with me).... we BOTH have AAPFCO (association of american plant food certification officials)... they don't so much make the rules as set the standards that a lot of the rules are based on; most state departments of agri adhere to their guidelines.
OMRI is american, right?
we have something called the Canada Organic Regime, it's a lot like the USDA "organic" label, where the product has to be 90-odd % "organic" according to a set of standards.
the canadian Fertilizer Act is apparently a huge pain in the ass with massive amounts of red tape involved, and not in a good way, as there aren't any stringent regulations regarding the use of words like "natural" and "organic" in products with heavy metals or synthetics, for example. in short, my understanding is that in order to have the OMRI or COR label, the product has to pretty well be "organic" the way you or i or the granolahead next door would see it; the word organic, however, is largely a free-for-all, and that goes for labelling beyond food and ferts.
this article is from 2005 but it's the most recent mention i can find of the proposed changes to AAPFCO's organic standards; i can't find anything about the changes going from "proposed" to "implemented".... http://newfarm.rodaleinstitute.org/columns/org_news/jan05/org_fertilizer.shtml

oh, and i wasn't going for the carbon footprint jugular with the rockwool comment, i were pokin fun abooot our mutual delusions of grandeur with the wanting it all.

dagnabbit, i think i'm gonna need another fridge, for the tea. fridges take up power, dammit. :cuss:
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Our USDA "Organic" label is a joke. Those guidelines were written by Big Agro FOR Big Agro. Over 95% of all "organic" produce has been grown by Big Agro, using techniques that best suit their style of growing. Their lobby power is far too strong to ever let laws be put into effect that would negatively impact their bottom line. The OMRI product label is a bit more trustworthy than USDA Organic. However, thie high cost of securing an OMRI label must be considered when weighing the validity of one label or another.

We need a North American Cannabis Growers Association or NACAGA. It could be the offshoot of the worldwide CAGA. Only with our own entity will we ever be able to compose guidelines that make sense and are reasonable to implement. We are so overdue for this. Every other industry basically writes its own guidelines. Why should we be any different? I'd put more trust in a 20 year old closet grower than a 40 year old car salesman. This industry is far too big NOT no have an organization to act as our common voice, and to act as a nucleus for growers to gather around and share ideas. We just need a grower who is currently NOT growing to spearhead the thing. Bill Clinton would be perfect.
 
mellokitty

mellokitty

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Joedank said:
I am into biodynamic more than organic but biodynamic is a doctrine not gardening method at its core;)
I have been pushing to find a third pArty to put themselves out there to cert. A pot farm My land in Cali and my place in Colorado both qualify on omri quality and logged data terms.. The cattle we do here on the land is grass finished and labeled "natural" although organic is the word I would like to see, the premium for grass finishing on land you paid to be certified ls not there sadly .. Although this land never saw a pesticide in it's whole existence just no need at 7500 feet... Organic means nothing it's just being nice to your plants that counts 1800ppm is a loading volume ... Blah blah blah

tra- that pheno your working with looks heddie!!
pic of bubble bags post 1st pull
nice groupin oof tan heads:)
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soooooo jellllyyyyyyy i want one of your cows!! i keep trying to get a couple other families together to buy a cow and split it every year, but nobody ever has enough freezer space.....

i've been reading up on bio-dynamic as well (i keep butting up on it whilst researching composting) -- i'm very curious about the different "compost preparations" and they remind me of 420God's massive envy-inducing compost pile that devours carcasses whole... (the friggin pile dwarfs his tractor)....
 
mellokitty

mellokitty

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collective gardener said:
Our USDA "Organic" label is a joke. Those guidelines were written by Big Agro FOR Big Agro. Over 95% of all "organic" produce has been grown by Big Agro, using techniques that best suit their style of growing. Their lobby power is far too strong to ever let laws be put into effect that would negatively impact their bottom line. The OMRI product label is a bit more trustworthy than USDA Organic. However, thie high cost of securing an OMRI label must be considered when weighing the validity of one label or another.

We need a North American Cannabis Growers Association or NACAGA. It could be the offshoot of the worldwide CAGA. Only with our own entity will we ever be able to compose guidelines that make sense and are reasonable to implement. We are so overdue for this. Every other industry basically writes its own guidelines. Why should we be any different? I'd put more trust in a 20 year old closet grower than a 40 year old car salesman. This industry is far too big NOT no have an organization to act as our common voice, and to act as a nucleus for growers to gather around and share ideas. We just need a grower who is currently NOT growing to spearhead the thing. Bill Clinton would be perfect.
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ok, so right around here is the point in the discussion where i start wanting to hide my head in the the sand and just stfu and grow my little plants, because the politics involved are way too ugly and make me peer over the abyss of despair. i'm not entirely certain the local activist community has really recovered from the Great Prop 19 Divide.

we can't even agree HOW we want it legalised, imagine a bunch of stoners trying to come up with cohesive, inclusive, guidelines? we'd need to kill off the "i gots mine, screw the rest of you" mentality first. the Divide and Conquer is far too healthy in this community; it's one of our biggest hindrances, imo.
 
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lamabile85

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I've been debating with myself for the last couple of months whether or not I should purchase those T5 Badboys. I've seen nothing but wonderful results with growers who veg with them. I have two thousand watts in my veg room now, but maybe I'll add them at a later time.
 
Wolverine97

Wolverine97

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mellokitty said:
soooooo jellllyyyyyyy i want one of your cows!! i keep trying to get a couple other families together to buy a cow and split it every year, but nobody ever has enough freezer space.....

i've been reading up on bio-dynamic as well (i keep butting up on it whilst researching composting) -- i'm very curious about the different "compost preparations" and they remind me of 420God's massive envy-inducing compost pile that devours carcasses whole... (the friggin pile dwarfs his tractor)....
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Yeah, I've seen it. That compost heap is fucking epic.
 
mellokitty

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i'm really starting to have an appreciation for the t5's... their vegging power, versatility, etc.
i really really want to start experimenting with different spectrums of tubes, a la pr0fesseur. (you won't see me giving up my HID's until a reasonable facsimile comes along.)
 
Wolverine97

Wolverine97

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mellokitty said:
i'm really starting to have an appreciation for the t5's... their vegging power, versatility, etc.
i really really want to start experimenting with different spectrums of tubes, a la pr0fesseur. (you won't see me giving up my HID's until a reasonable facsimile comes along.)
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Word. They've been my veg light of choice for a while now, though I'm currently experimenting with CMH.
 
Beansly

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
You know, I bought a t5 for vegging, and don't get me wrong, I love it, but you just can't beat the raw power of HID lighting imo. I got tired of the slow growth so I threw the plants that were under t5's, under a 400w MH (after acclimating it to the light intensity change of course) and they shot up a lot faster. I was taught with HID from the start. I mean as soon as the clones root, stick them under a 1000w light kinda thing. It's ok of the light is high enough.
Now that I mention it, i don't think I'm high enough. Smoking some really nice SSH x Blackberry Kush
 
Wolverine97

Wolverine97

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Beansly said:
You know, I bought a t5 for vegging, and don't get me wrong, I love it, but you just can't beat the raw power of HID lighting imo. I got tired of the slow growth so I threw the plants that were under t5's, under a 400w MH (after acclimating it to the light intensity change of course) and they shot up a lot faster. I was taught with HID from the start. I mean as soon as the clones root, stick them under a 1000w light kinda thing. It's ok of the light is high enough.
Now that I mention it, i don't think I'm high enough. Smoking some really nice SSH x Blackberry Kush
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Yeah, I actually prefer the tighter internodes the t5's give me even if it slows my veg slightly. I'm always trying to hold my veg plants a week or so longer than ideal anyhow, due to timing issues with the flower rooms.
 
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^^i tend to agree, the thing about using a light that's stronger than you need is precisely that you have to have it high enough that it doesn't burn the plants/babies.... i find there's a psychic trade-off between "height" and "growth"... sure a 400w 4 feet away is going to grow faster, but if it doesn't result in more nodes, isn't that height just wasted space? <-- i have DONE this, btw. indica crosses up to my shoulders that only had real nuggage in the top foot and a half or so.... quel effing staking nightmare.
 
Beansly

Beansly

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Wolverine97 said:
Yeah, I actually prefer the tighter internodes the t5's give me even if it slows my veg slightly. I'm always trying to hold my veg plants a week or so longer than ideal anyhow, due to timing issues with the flower rooms.
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Is the tight internodes thing about having shorter plants or tighter buds?
 
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lamabile85

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When I first started researching lights, I told a friend, the key with lights to me is having versatility. I'd imagine my grow op having the options of having T5's, Metal Halide, HPS, at our disposal and using them in conjunction with one another. That's been my attitude from the beginning, and I'm sticking with it. I'll always be open-minded and flexible to try something new out, but for now, this is what works for me.
 
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