120W LED + Rainforest 66 + Papaya

You have a phat setup my man. I'm so interested in seeing what happens in here. Im hooked man.

Keep up the good work. TRULEY IMPRESSIVE! Dont worry about the light time mess up at all. if you do that ounce a week then your gonna run into problems, but after only one mishap there is no worry!!

Nice grow. Hey, my tri band UFO just got here. I have placed it over some rooting clones. I thought about putting it over the veg tent later for one of my trees to use along with the 400.

IDK, but, lol, that thing is bright. I plugged it in pointed right at my face. I nearly dropped it. I am still seeing spots. I had no idea. Nice surprise. The UFO is a few feet over my rooting clones, I dont want to burn them.

Thanks for the grow to follow along in. I gro organic soil, UFO/400 watt HID.

dirt clean said:

Nice grow. Hey, my tri band UFO just got here. I have placed it over some rooting clones. I thought about putting it over the veg tent later for one of my trees to use along with the 400.

IDK, but, lol, that thing is bright. I plugged it in pointed right at my face. I nearly dropped it. I am still seeing spots. I had no idea. Nice surprise. The UFO is a few feet over my rooting clones, I dont want to burn them.

Thanks for the grow to follow along in. I gro organic soil, UFO/400 watt HID.

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You got a journal???

Great post man! I will definatley be watching.

Wow, thanks for all the kind words guys. Next week I will be starting a new soil sog grow with white label double gum and kc mango, as well as putting papaya and s-skunk clones in autopots. I have not decided on a medium for the autopots...I might try coco coir...these will be my future mother plants.

Anyways here are some new pics. You can see the main stem and the side stem towards the back are almost touching the 120w, its 35" tall now! It has been growing about 1.5" a day for the last week. The bud sites are really opening up now, feel like I will see nice little bud starts in the next couple days.

Also you can see the bag seeds plants are completely rejuvinated after swapping the CFLs for the 18w all-blue. They have almost doubled in size after one week under 18w blue LED whereas they showed no noticable growth in over a week under 3x26w 6500K cfls.

Just picked up 3 quarts of flora series for $35 and a liter of advanced nutrients big bud liquid for $34. I also got 4oz of superthrive for $10...damn this hobby is getting expensive! Luckily I put away some money every couple weeks for the last two years just for this grow

I've gotten this far with flora series alone and at very low ppm's (currently 805) so I'm going to try and really push it with the big bud liquid once it gets here...probably to 1100ppm right off the bat.

If anyone has used AN big bud liquid let me know how it worked out for you! Thanks for reading my journal.

206 said:

The 55w panel puts out no detectable heat and does not even have a fan. The 120w panel puts out a very small amount of heat, but less than even one of my 26w CFLs by comparison. Even the individual LED's themselves get only slightly warm to the touch during operation and I am comfortable letting the plants grow right against them.

Besides not having to buy ducting and blowers and everything else, the biggest benefit I've realized out of this is incredibly low transpiration rates. Since there is no excess heat my plants consume less nutrient solution and less of it evaporates, so less is needed overall.

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LEDs wont put out any heat themselves because its all given off in light basically.

Oh and also what are you doing for CO2 now that you're into flowering?

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Oh and also what are you doing for CO2 now that you're into flowering?

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I'm planning on using CO2 in my next grow but not this one. Being my first hydro and LED grow I want to get a good baseline for yield and then experiment with increasing yield in future grows. One thing I've heard about CO2 is that lights must be on and you need temps of almost 90 to fully utilise it, which would be a problem in my current setup where ambient temp stays around 70 with lights on.

Hey I need to give a fellow LED grower a shout out. underdok is only using a 90w unit that is similar to mine in appearance and has posted some awesome bud shots. People always say show me the bud when it comes to LED and since I can't yet look at his instead: https://www.rollitup.org/2415813-post7.html

Well I think my wave of good luck finally ran out today. After doing my daily inspection of all the nodes (god there are a lot of nodes) this morning I found what I think is a ball. The other 99.9% of the plant is 100% female though. If it really is a ball I won't be too bent out of shape because getting feminized seeds from this papaya monster and possibly papaya x thai s-skunk cross seeds sounds pretty good. My rationale is that this lone male flower on a side branch would only pollinate a few female flowers around its vacinity.

Does anybody think I'm crazy and should just pick it off? I'm trying to get some clear pics of the ball right now, I'll edit my post in a minute with them.

Thanks and

EDIT: Pic 1 shows the ball, or what I think is a ball. This was the closest I could go without losing focus, even on macro mode. The other pics show some of the different flowering sites, you can even see 4 or 5 in pic 1 of the ball sack.

yea i have had plants do that before they make me nervous tho .....i have had alot of battles with hermaphrodites and i have seen how they carry that hermy condition into the offspring....

i have used big bud powder and liquid before .....very very good stuff ...i seen amazing results with it ...although it always made my rez stink like dirty socks and cloud up for like half a week right after i put it in .....

o as far as the male pollen sac goes ...i have in fact also seen it not carried on to the offspring ...i think this was due to it being pollenated by another plant instead of itself ...possibly

Thanks doktorgreenthumb, that is good news on the AN big bud. I guess I'll just keep checking on that possible ball, who knows maybe it will turn out to be nothing.

Tonight I raised the 120w LED from the cross bars to the highest middle support bar, which gave me about 5 more inches of space. I'm really hoping the vertical growth slows down soon before I have to start bending. Later I added more plant ties to help bring some side branches in towards the center, notably the ones on the left side of the picture.

I also pulled the plug on my mini hydro system and transplanted both bag seed plants from it into soil. As I said a few pages back these are going to a friend of mine with medical problems in a couple days and he will really appreciate them. Transplanting from hydro to soil was interesting and I think I did a good job spreading the roots out and filling the cups in but we'll see. They have smallish stems so I placed them about an inch lower than usual in the cups and covered the tops with hydroton for support.

Pic 1: Before raising 120w
Pic 2: After raising 120w
Pic 3: Shot of the roots right before I transplanted
Pic 4: Looking happy, hope it stays that way.

I'm so jazzed to see nugs on these and how LED does for flowering. If I can eek more wattage into a pc with this method and worry less about cooling, I'm all for it!

man thats big. wsnt expecting that much growth so far. they look healthy to. lush green and nice budding sites.
about the pc grow. regardless of lightsource the heat will be the same either more radiated or densly contained. 400 watts being used always equaltes to 1365 btu's. lower the watts and the same applies in proportion. but they def wouldnt burn the tops of your plants as easily. but if you flly contain 120 watts leds or hps they will both heat the same.
With this led light i will be very impressed if 3 ounces is produced. that would be amazing for a first grow with 120 watts.
looks great man i'll keep checking in. my lowryders under t5ho are flowering nicely and will be finished anytime. 3 days maybe. good luck man. with all the lights out there now to look at i really havnt even been able to think about what i would get. whether built o homemade.

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man thats big. wasnt expecting that much growth so far. they look healthy to. lush green and nice budding sites. With this led light i will be very impressed if 3 ounces is produced. that would be amazing for a first grow with 120 watts. looks great man i'll keep checking in. my lowryders under t5ho are flowering nicely and will be finished anytime. 3 days maybe. good luck man. with all the lights out there now to look at i really havnt even been able to think about what i would get. whether built o homemade.

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Thanks bro. I've heard its bad mojo to predict yield before harvest but honestly I am hoping for 3 zips like you said. Anything more and I'll do backflips and anything less will be disappointing. Only time will tell but I predict a great summer in 2009

Today was my day...a friend stopped by in the afternoon with some fat nugs of real deal G13 and a special present...a G13 seed from the same smoke. Sure enough the high was almost narcotic and I was just on cloud nine for hours. I'm going to wait a couple days until I get my double gum and mango beans and then start the G13 along with them. Sick!

Then tonight I added 4 drops of superthrive to my aero cloner which supposedly guarantees a 100% success rate if you believe the aero mist 25 marketers. We'll see...but I'm expecting 7-10 days total for roots to show since the cuttings were already 8 days into 12/12.

That is great news about your lowryders too bro. Can't wait to see the harvest pics and smoke report!

More pics tomorrow

206- its strange hearing someone say that they can get you a seed. lol. there are ABSOLUTELY no seeds in canada outside the store. no bagseeds. nothing. also what sucks for me is that the smoke here is all exactly the same price and its all amazing white strains. my prob is that ive never grown anything close to what i can buy. Actually ive harvested 2 small plants of the lowryder 2s. honest to god the smoke is actually very strong as apposed to what ive heard. but mine took about 80 days. the first 2 that i picked had 80% milky 20 amber trics. and it def produces a medium couchlock. def some more amber and this stuff will be strong!! it is a very nice light green and smells just like citrus, specifically grapefruit and lemon. it also has much more resin than expected. looks nearly like white widow. but not quite. lol. but def worth growing.
even 2 ounces would be ok. dont look at it as time wasted. look at it like you barely used any power. you could have over 8 of your lights just to produce 1000 watts. a couple ounces or 3 would def prove that they are equal to hid watt for watt. plus you havnt perfected it yet. def next grow youll know a little extra and so on. seeya. the hempstar is all gone now. i sold 20 bucks here and there and smoked the rest. dried the 3 plants produced about 7 dry ounces. it was ok smoke and worth it for just flowering some old mothers. i also kept about 500 seeds of my custom cross. prob crap but couldnt throw them out. id always wonder. lol

hey 206 nice grow how many lumens is the led given off looking forward to hearing the yield keep up the good work.

doktor- chances are that you never have gotten a hermie. they are extremely rare. almost impossible to get. i forget what it is called but what you have is something different. if the plant grows male pollen sacks and buds in different sites from eachother thats commonly mistaken to be hermie. actually a hermie is when a plant produces pollen sacks and flowers together. somebody pointed out the difference on here once and ive always checked pics and descriptions since and have never seen a pic on here of a real hermie yet. but the other kind suck too. lol. but forget the name.

yea i think they are like asexual or somethin crazy like that ...when i refer to a hermi i just mean a female that ususalyy produces a male pollen sac or two in about weeek 5 of flower ...

you are right tho i read that somewhere before too ....

i have however growin for over 2 years and had to start a couple of times from seed stock ...we are talkin i have sprouted over 1000 seeds that made it to bloom week one in that time ....of course males die at this stage ....and i have seen how hermies will seed themselves and produce hermie offspring ....

the hermaphroditic condition seems to almost always show at around week 5 ..that is when you will \notice seed formation .and if you look hard enough you will eventually find the little pollen sac that is usually all hidden up inside a swollen bud

and this information is from first hand experience not somethin i have read from another post or read in a book .....real life learnin beats book learnin anyday of the week


if i used any other term than hermie who would know what i was talkin about

o also ther is an indicator that you might have hermies before you actually get seeded in week 5 .....if your population of seeds is like 90 percent or higher female ....look out

unless of course they are feminised from a seedbank or known source