120W LED + Rainforest 66 + Papaya

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Today I added a remote controlled outlet to my power strip and plugged my sprayer into it. This has made doing doing maintenance a snap since I can turn the sprayer off with a click but leave the LED and air stone on.

Update:
209 ppm
6.73 ph (added 1/4 cap of ph down and reduced to 6.02)
66 degrees ambient temp
70 degrees res temp

Pic 1: New remote controlled outlet
Pic 2: Seedling
Pic 3: Partially unzipped top of the tent, shows how bright the inside is better than previous pics.
Pic 4: My favorite pic yet...using 109 watts of electricity...which is about $3.50/month here if I do 24/0 :)
 

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dirt clean

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You should try to get your PH down to 5.3 - 5.8 for hydro. Also you should use no nutes on seedlings that size.

I second that! 5.8 id ideal for all the nutrients to be available to the plant. It is very important. Also wait until the 3rd node to feed. Nothing but ro or ro + cal mag for now.

Good job watching the ppms. :leaf:
 

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Thank you both for the advice, I will get the PH down within that range right now. Luckily the rooters do not quite reach the water (and the roots have not poked out of the rooters) so the nutes and high ph shouldn't have caused many problems at this early point.

I also got a hygrometer today so I could get more accurate air temp readings and RH. Here is today's update:

230 ppm
6.34 ph (added ph down and reduced to 5.44 per advice)
71F ambient
73F res
68% RH

The lone seedling is coming along nicely, but still no sight of the others. I will start germing at least a couple new seeds if I don't see them by tomorrow morning. More pics tomorrow, have a great weekend!
 

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This morning I discovered something pretty weird. I lifted a small piece of rapid rooter material I had placed over a seed to check on it and discovered a tap root growing vertically into the piece I put over the hole. I gently separated the seed+root and re-planted with it facing down.

I also began germinating two new papaya seeds using cup of water method. Paper towel method only resulted in 1 out of 5 germing so this can't be any worse.

Today's update:
251 ppm
6.04 ph
71F ambient
72F res
62% RH

Pic 1: Turned the LED off to get a regular pic of seedling.
Pic 2: Seedling
Pic 3: Seedling
Pic 4: Updated wide shot.

Would appreciate any comments! thanks
 

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dpjones

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cup of water technique has given me 100% germ rate so far, just remember to keep it warm.

I dont understand why you are using LED and then have all that other kit, seems like a bit of a waste. But good luck none the same, i hope you get some sick weed =D
 

kurz26

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how much red nanometers does your led light produce? I have looked on the website you bought it from but you cant read the chart.(its too small) If it does not produce at least 700nm in the red spectrum you will have flower problems
 

kurz26

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Oh I just found it on the website, there is only one led light that I have found that seems to work all the way through from start to finsh. THat is the LED supernova enhanced spectrum and it is a very pricey lamp.(1400 bucks) It is sold at hidhut. It takes the red nanometer to 740nm and it has a dial that can be adjusted to wherever it is needed.
 

AeroKing

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I would not suggest waiting until the third node to feed in this system.
Growth is too explosive. They will need nutrients sooner.

Though nute load and ideal PH are both strain specific, I'd suggest at this stage to add to 0ppm RO water - about 200ppm of Cal Mag and 100ppm of high nitrogen "grow" fertilizer. Keep the Cal Mag there, and up the grow fertilizer maybe 50ppm a week for a few weeks and see how they do. You may need to up it more quickly if they show any deficiencies.

Allow your PH to fluctuate between 5.0 and 6.0, but do not let it stay below 5.8 for very long during veg. The plants won't be able to take up the Cal-Mag if you keep it too low, and when they grow that fast, they use it ferociously. Try to stabilize at around 5.8-6.0 and let it drift down for a couple days, but then get it back up to 5.8.

Once your plants are flowering and you notice they've stopped growing big fan leaves, then steady closer around 5.5.

I've been working on my germination technique as I've had some problems in this area.
So far, the only method that has gotten me good success is this:

Cut off a very small piece of capillary mat (this is a white felt-like sheet of fabric used for wick systems) about 1" sq.
Dip this in a 200ppm solution of RO, Cal Mag and Superthrive (or equivalent vit B supplement).
Fold in half, insert seed and slide into baggy.
Squeeze out excess water (keep damp) and loosely wrap up bag.
Put this onto a heat mat and cover it with an opaque bowl or equivalent.
This will stay 90`-95' F.
Check every 12 hours, open bag to allow fresh air in, and if necessary, add water solution to keep damp.
Most seeds pop at 24 hrs.
The radical (little root) will grow into the capillary mat. This is fine. I cut off most of the excess mat and plant the whole thing in either rockwool(for hydro) or seed starting soil.

I've had much better experience using the capillary mat than papertowels. It holds the perfect amount of air and water when you squeeze it out. You can find it online, worthy investment IMO.
The temperature is also very important, as is complete darkness.

I hope you get your germination technique sorted out. I destroyed a lot of expensive seeds until I adopted this tek.
 

1982grower

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I agree with aeroking i think? I have always used seedling or veg nutes from the moment he seed pops. I believe that this alone can shave weeks off a grow. I always start with a mild 20% dose and over the first 2 weeks get to full strength. In the very begining if you can double the size overnight with nutes for even 2 days it makes all the diff in the outcome. Every plant i grew handled the nutes right away as long as you start mild. Not sure if i just agreed? looking clean as always! def think the cup method is a good idea.
 

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Thanks for all the advice guys.

I'm happy to report that both seeds I germinated with cup of water method popped and have been in rapid rooters for 48 hours. After a week one of the original seeds popped too, so I ended up with a total of 4 out of 7.

I was beginning to have my doubts about growing 5 plants all the way to harvest in the rainforest, so I think 4 will be much better. Using 4 sites also allows me to lower the light down quite a bit since they are all in a rectangular area now.

Pic 1: Updated shot of res+light.
Pic 2: Res ph shot
Pic 3: First plant is coming along nicely after a week.
Pic 4: Seedling 2
Pic 5: Seedling 3
Pic 6: Seedling 4
 

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1982grower

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love it. still looking clean. it would be kinda interesting to try an autoflowering strain under there. cant wait for a month to go by
 

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Well I just finished flushing and cleaning the rainforest for the first time...it took me about an hour total. After flush I added grow+micro+bloom and boosted from 25ppm to 350ppm, which is where it was at pre-flush.

I also got a new 7-day digital timer and have begun running the vortex sprayer on the following (6 on 2 off) cycle:

12AM on
6AM off
8AM on
2PM off
4PM on
10PM off

Any advice or feedback on this sprayer schedule? The air stone and LED continue to operate 24/0.

Pic 1: Finishing up res flush
Pic 2: I'm lucky to have 25ppm tap water
Pic 3: Updated shot of plant 1
Pic 4: 2nd seedling
Pic 5: RH/Temp shot
Pic 6: New digital timer can be seen on the left.
 

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1982grower

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should have told ya. walmart sells a digital timer built into their powerbars. 15 bucks. the left plugs are on the timer and the right are always on. Also looking at this omega garden. 2000 dollars with tax. not really that bad. holds up to 320 plants with a 1000 watt hps. thinkin throw my t5hos in there and they will basically extend from 1 end to the other cuase it is 4 feet wide. seems perfect. just got this timer and funny i have the same 1 you have on my fish tank. same thing just thought the powerbar was kinda cool. what do you think of the omega garden? holds rockwool only
 

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Well the last few days have been good and bad:

The bad is that I killed the new seedlings as a result of over-watering. I made the mistake of hurrying them right into the rainforest instead of giving them more time in the humidity dome. This is my first hydro grow and first time using rapid rooters and in troubleshooting what went wrong with these I've learned quite a bit. (I now have two brand new seedlings 48 hours old with very healthy tap roots in the humidity dome)

The good is that my lone plant is thriving. About 48 hours ago the roots reached the reservoir and there has been an explosion of growth since.

Pic 1: Plant on 3/13
Pic 2: Plant on 3/19
Pic 3: Plant on 3/25
Pic 4: Shot of the roots 48 hours ago first reaching res.

@1982grower: Thanks for the info about the power strip. The omega garden looks pretty awesome, but I guess it should for that price. :)

Any comments or questions are welcome, I would love to talk to more LED users also. Peace :leaf:
 

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Just wanted to post some updated pics. I'm going to try and post at least a couple pics daily from now on so I can better document the growth. Also I just wanted to note that papaya is a very short indica strain, just to keep in mind.

Pic 1: Shot of humidity dome and res... check the reflection off the dome roof. The two new seedlings are visible in the middle of the humidity dome.
Pic 2: The longest root has almost doubled in length in 24 hours, blows me away.
Pic 3: Better root shot.
Pic 4: Updated shot with LED turned off for reference.
 

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dman0042

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Very cool grow room...I like the LED light's to. Pic # 4 looks real good there. Like that leaf pointing up, by perspective of pic looks really really good. Maybe those LED's are doing some magic.

Cause that leaf looks almost like an adult fan leaf and its barely that old. I think that certain plant in pic thumb 4 is going to be very healthy and produce a good amount of buds.
 

1982grower

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hey man. decided if i go led i'm going to build my own. looked into the wiring of the luxeon stars. found them for under 3 dollars. prob gonna do 100 at 4 watts unless they can handle more. on their site they say 5 watts with a heatsink. i am going to go for all out lumens. dont know what will happen but i'll go with the 2700k. i'll use hid mh to veg. lol. and flower with the leds. really looking into this. my crop is going good and it shouldnt be a prob. gonna take the time to mount them to a nice sheetmetal frame and everything. i know i can get 40000 lumens out of 400 watts. thats minimum. i will post pics when i start. just a little more research i feel i should do. also gonna look at your table. its the nicest ive ever seen by far. the plants are coming along i see. obviously still looking clean. seeya.
 

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Very cool grow room...I like the LED light's to. Pic # 4 looks real good there. Like that leaf pointing up, by perspective of pic looks really really good. Maybe those LED's are doing some magic.

Cause that leaf looks almost like an adult fan leaf and its barely that old. I think that certain plant in pic thumb 4 is going to be very healthy and produce a good amount of buds.
Thanks bro! I just got home after being away for 24 hours and couldn't believe the amount of new growth...the leaves pointing upwards you referenced now look like big fan leaves themselves. I couldn't be more impressed with the LED as of right now, especially given all the "Can't start seeds with LED only" posts I've seen out there. IMO the full spectrum white LEDs are making a huge impact, but I have no prior experience with red/blue or red/blue/orange to base that off, just an impression. I've attached some more pics including one which really demonstrates the intensity of the bulbs. You can see the reflection of the bulbs bouncing off my plastic humidity dome and back on to the side of the light unit itself, with each light still clearly visible.
 

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dman0042

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Can you take another photo of the big one with no led just regular. Just to see without the color of the lights. :)

Also how old is the big one in thumbnail 1?
 
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