12/12 From Seed Experiment - 21 Strains

Hot Diggity Sog said:

As I'm thinking about this, I think taking clones on the best ones is brilliant. Reveg them, uses the STS on them and start the seed creation that way. Thanks Nerd, you just steered me on the right path!

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Happy to help bro you are really going to get some great phenotypes and it seemed like a waste to let them go and if you just take a small cutting from the lower nodes you will be good even if they are in flower

you will be fine because once they turn back to veg they go nuts and shoot new nodes off every where monster cropping its great

Chapter 2: Day 5 Update
A brief note on how I'm counting days this time. Day 1 was when the seeds entered the rockwool.

Bucket Summary
Each bucket consists of 50 liters of coarse perlite (rinsed) on the bottom.
Followed by 1.5 blocks of Coco Coir. Drainage approx 2.5 inches from the bottom, hempy style. More on the draining later.



I built a jig for measuring out my spacing and punching holes in the coco to accept the 1.5" rockwool cubes. It represents 1/2 of the container so I use on one end first and then flip it over and do the other side.



After using the jig, I have this:



Conclusion on the jig: It sucked. I won't ever be trying to do it this way again...lol. Damned near broke the jig trying to press down hard enough. As you can see, the impressions are about 1/4" deep. Fortunately, I suspected this might not work so I built a 2nd tool ahead of time...the poor man's jig:



This hand held screw driver gorilla glued into a pre-drilled 1.5" block worked pretty damned well. The original jig left good enough impressions for me to follow but it still was a time consuming task. As I said, had I to do this over I would do it differently. At any rate, moving on....


Progress during the planting. Note: doing the Chronic Thunders tonight.



Finished for the night with the Chronic Thunder Tab


75 rockwool cubes so far. The cube in the far upper right hand corner happens to have 2 sprouts in it...I guess I screwed up but I'm not going to mess with it. Only 4 of the 80 seeds have not germinated yet. VERY good results considering the general quality of seeds I've gotten from Attitude has been sub-par. Overall, I'm thrilled with the germ rate. The Skunk #1's are jamming at a near 100% germ rate so I will grab a few of them to bring this tub up to 84 total plants. Both breeds were of similar heights in the previous experiment.

And finally, here are the Skunk #1's on deck for tomorrow! Pretty solid germination rate, huh?

Sativied said:

1 gp-hps-w is a littler better than good, more like great. 0.75gpw is good. 2.0 is godlike

Anyway, interesting experiment. Always good to see people grow Skunk #1, beats many of its descendant and makes a good reference point. Google speescees 12/12 420 and check images results. Speescees ("spacecase") is a breeder (no mercy supplies) who has been promoting 12/12 from seed for as long as I can remember.

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WOW. I don't know how I've never come across this guy in all of my research!

Hot Diggity Sog said:

WOW. I don't know how I've never come across this guy in all of my research!

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Figured you'd like it, his names is almost synonymous with 12/12 from seed here. He's also known for promoting a single soil container opposed to separate buckets and claims to be the original inventor of feminized seeds (he in any case was one of the first and pioneers of fem seeds). He also claims his plants were robbed once and were used as the foundation of a well-known dutch seed bank. Met him once, let's just say he's an interesting character. Lot of knowledge, lots of stories, some of both should be taken with a grain of salt. When it comes to breeders I'm surprised his name or no mercy seeds doesn't pop up more often. I've only grown the desert queen and while it's a great plant I can't say the same for the bud/smoke but that's partly a matter of taste. Still beats a lot of the pollenchucked material out there. He's been in the game for a long time.

Above all he's most known for his Santa Maria, which used to be one the most popular strains in dutch coffeeshops:
http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Santa_Maria/No_Mercy_Supply/

Sativied said:

Figured you'd like it, his names is almost synonymous with 12/12 from seed here. He's also known for promoting a single soil container opposed to separate buckets and claims to be the original inventor of feminized seeds (he in any case was one of the first and pioneers of fem seeds). He also claims his plants were robbed once and were used as the foundation of a well-known dutch seed bank. Met him once, let's just say he's an interesting character. Lot of knowledge, lots of stories, some of both should be taken with a grain of salt. When it comes to breeders I'm surprised his name or no mercy seeds doesn't pop up more often. I've only grown the desert queen and while it's a great plant I can't say the same for the bud/smoke but that's partly a matter of taste. Still beats a lot of the pollenchucked material out there. He's been in the game for a long time.

Above all he's most known for his Santa Maria, which used to be one the most popular strains in dutch coffeeshops:
http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Santa_Maria/No_Mercy_Supply/

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Santa Maria actually rings bell. Someone in my 1st journal had mentioned that as a really strong candidate for TTFS I should look into. Thanks for the info...very cool.

.....From September 19th, 2014 in my 1st experiment courtesy of Fiveleafsleft:

If going from seeds i think that you should look for a strain that grows very uniform. Skunk nr1 is one strain that's supposed o do that. I think that No mercys seeds grows pretty uniform since they are supposed to be grown on 12/12. Santa maria is in-bread for 8 generations now. You sem to invest much time and energy in this project.. If you have more time and energy maybe making your own female seeds with silver could be an option. I don't think it's that hard, but havn't tried it myself. Selfing a very uniform strain or crossing lets say NL5 with another uniform strain should give pretty uniform seeds, with the former being an S1 and the latter being an F1

The 12/12 from seed grow (in dutch i think) i posted several pages ago was grown with No mercy seeds, no mercy special. I do believe that most strains flower pretty well with this system, but he must have thought of uniformity when making seeds especially for this system. Good luck, have to continue with my day.. It's easy to loose track of time here..

Chapter 2: Day 6 Update
Everything is planted. Exactly 84 plants in each tub as planned. The Chronic Thunder tub is on the left and it contains 8 SKunk #1's in order to complete the 84.

beautiful great to see everything is going to plan i forgot are you doing 12/12 from seed for the girls.. ? sorry to much smoke and to lazy to look over 37 pages

DirtyNerd said:

beautiful great to see everything is going to plan i forgot are you doing 12/12 from seed for the girls.. ? sorry to much smoke and to lazy to look over 37 pages

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Yep

Chapter 2: Day 7 Update
Girls are doing well. I sprinkled some 50/50 coco-perlite over them and here is how they are looking:

Chronic Thunder on the left.
Skunk #1 on the right.
Don't mind the solo cups...just a little competition going on and I haven't decided how to incorporate them yet.


Chronic Thunder



Skunk #1


I've been battling cold temps and high humidity. If I disable all exhaust fans (in the tent and in the room) the temps are lovely but the RH skyrockets. Keeping the exhaust fans on 24/7 keeps the room too cold. Tonight I rigged up timers on the tent exhaust and the room exhaust and I'll monitor. Room exhausts every 3 hours for 15 minutes. This should allow the heat the build up but remove the humidity. Tent exhausts once per hour for 15 minutes. This should keep temps up in the 70's which is critical while they're this young.

Until tomorrow...cheers

Chapter 2: Day 10 Update
Everything appears to be going great so far. For the most part the seedlings have taken to their new home just fine. I have 2 and possibly 3 dud seedlings on the Chronic Thunder side...time will tell. What else can I say...it's kind of boring during this phase.

Chronic Thunder



Skunk #1

Chapter 2: Day 11 Update

I watered for the 1st time in probably 5 or 6 days today. Did not really think they needed to be watered but I'm paranoid of PH imbalances so I wanted to flush some fresh sub 6.0 water thru. I gave each vessel 1 gallon and got no run-off. After waiting for 30 minutes I gave each another gallon...still no run-off. What I find curious is that prior to watering, the top of the coco was still very moist. I'm wondering if the moisture in the bottom half of the vessel is either wicking up or perhaps evaporating up leaving the lower 1/2 dryer than the top 1/2. Seems counter intuitive to me. Gunna have to get used to these containers.

At any rate, some 11 day old seedlings. Yeah I know, pretty boring still. The last picture shows my 1st casualty. She looked alright earlier today and then just keeled over. lol, oh well.

Would be nice to fastforward a couple of weeks but looking good. Knowing you got the same camera, if you can sort of plant it in between plants you could make some nice photos playing with the field of focus (google images: photo row field of focus, for examples if I'm not making sense.).

here for ride, good shit.
love the idea

Sativied said:

Would be nice to fastforward a couple of weeks but looking good. Knowing you got the same camera, if you can sort of plant it in between plants you could make some nice photos playing with the field of focus (google images: photo row field of focus, for examples if I'm not making sense.).

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I do still have your fancy camera...just haven't broken it out for chapter 2 quite yet.

Sativied said:

Would be nice to fastforward a couple of weeks but looking good. Knowing you got the same camera, if you can sort of plant it in between plants you could make some nice photos playing with the field of focus (google images: photo row field of focus, for examples if I'm not making sense.).

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Will google that cause I don't know what you're talking about (yet).

Hot Diggity Sog said:

Will google that cause I don't know what you're talking about (yet).

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Perhaps better keywords are "aperture exercises row" so you can also read how to make a shot like that. Really classic thing to learn and do in photography when you have a row of objects, essentially focus only on a range in the distance. If you put the camera on macro and zoom in all the way you get the same thing, can move the focus point with the little joystick like button right from the lcd and get pro shots with simple objects (not mine: )

Hot Diggity Sog said:

I do still have your fancy camera...just haven't broken it out for chapter 2 quite yet.

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No point yet my brother just wait till the girls are flowering no point in veg in my eyes each to there own i must say your doing something all of us a favor wish we could do but your the only one with the balls to have huge numbers for all your hard work i take my hat off your a man on your own and us as members of rollitup are lucky that you picked this forum for do this test on keep up the great job and i'll always have your back

Chapter 2: Day 18 Update
It's been a rough week. The seedlings have not been doing well and I've been struggling to figure out why. Murphy's Law certainly kicked in too. The seedlings have progressed very slowly and they have progressively become more and more pale and on a few plants there is even some death occurring on their first set of leaves. Up until yesterday, they have been getting nothing but PH'd water. No nutes and no cal mag. My 1st thought was possible over watering. I plunged a long dowel deep into the containers to inspect the moisture levels and I determined it's not that. The Coco is very light and airy like you would expect and draining has been working as designed.

My next thought was maybe they need some cal mag. So I go over to my large bottle and discover the top layer is covered in mold...ugh. So I order more but it won't be here until tomorrow. I decided a very light feed is my next course of action. Having already been down the path of pre-mature feeding I did not want to fuck this up so I went with 25% of the seedling strength.

Yesterday morning I went down and the light was off. Net problem: My Hortilux Eye Blue MH bulb died. I confirmed by trying it in my backup ballast. So yesterday I plugged the HPS in but then today I remembered that I have a cheapo MH bulb that I got with my 1st ballast and so I put that in today. The 1st thing I noticed is that this MH bulb is WAY brighter than how the Hortilux has been. Is it possible the Hortilux has been on the verge of failing and that the yellowing could be from poor lighting? So unfortunately I may never know as I have done a light feed and replaced the light so if it's one of these it will correct it but I won't know which. It could be my imagination but they do seem to look a little better this morning than yesterday so I'm hopeful things will fall into place.

I think it's just time for food. You gotta think your coco isn't amended with anything so you gonna have to start feeding early and yea I'm sure the cal/mag has something to do with it too as the coco has nothing in it. I know when I start seeds in soiless medium which is always perlite I start 1/4 strength feeding after couple weeks. I'm sure things will pick bag up after the feed and getting the cal/mag. They don't look bad just hungry