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Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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Chief Walkin Eagle said:
The same broken record response as usual lol "Blahh blahh blahh fairy tales, blahh blahh blahh I believe the earth is round blah blah blah CTS!". You fail to realize that your belief that god does not exist is just as ridiculous as a belief in god, am I right when I say that? because according to science, both are unknowable, so theism and atheism are equally ridiculous. Adding "as far as I know" to the statement "god does not exist" doesnt make you an agnostic man. Your an atheist with a silly belief that god does not exist.
I guess we can finish this through PM, if thats alright with you of course, I look forward to this "science" that I havent heard of. I can also explain the mountain of evidence that supports my claim and support other claims with credible and well respected men of knowledge... Which makes me think of something... The Logical Song, you remember posting that? lol That guy was pretty much singing about everything you support, hes against those things, yet you probably interpreted it differently, big surprise. But fuck is that ironic, you liking "The Logical Song" lol. Please tell me you see the irony in that. Anywhooo, PM me what you want me to talk about first, I'll be glad to. Dont keep it here and let your superiors do the thinking for you, we both know how you dont like finding out things on your own...
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You fail to realize that your belief that god does not exist is just as ridiculous as a belief in god, am I right when I say that? because according to science, both are unknowable, so theism and atheism are equally ridiculous.
Neither have evidence to claim their side as fact, But I believe saying there is a god takes a much larger leap of faith than saying there is no god.
Adding "as far as I know" to the statement "god does not exist" doesnt make you an agnostic man.
That's exactly what it means. It's acknowledging the fact that I don't know..
 Your an atheist with a silly belief that god does not exist.
I wouldn't call it silly..And I am an atheist, but so what? Nothing wrong with atheism.
I guess we can finish this through PM, if thats alright with you of course, I look forward to this "science" that I havent heard of.
No, this thread is fine. I'd just lose the motivation to respond to you over PM.
I can also explain the mountain of evidence that supports my claim and support other claims with credible and well respected men of knowledge...
Go ahead, post your evidence here. No youtube videos though.. They are usually just filled with nonsense and end up being a waste of time.
Which makes me think of something... The Logical Song, you remember posting that? lol That guy was pretty much singing about everything you support, hes against those things, yet you probably interpreted it differently, big surprise. But fuck is that ironic, you liking "The Logical Song" lol. Please tell me you see the irony in that.
It's a song about the innocence of our youth (age 0-8). I was fine before religion was put into my head. Thinking about going to hell day after day is alot to put on your mind.. It aslo made me expect more out of life. What does that matter though? Is this just another petty attack?
PM me what you want me to talk about first, I'll be glad to. Dont keep it here and let your superiors do the thinking for you, we both know how you dont like finding out things on your own....

I have nothing to prove to you.. If you want to talk about science, talk about it. And I'm not sure if you believe you actually have good points, but I don't find it hard at all to answer your questions. Other members are just sick of your pointless shit so they prove you wrong. Don't be intimidated, listen to them.. You might actually learn something.
 
Chief Walkin Eagle

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Hepheastus420 said:
You fail to realize that your belief that god does not exist is just as ridiculous as a belief in god, am I right when I say that? because according to science, both are unknowable, so theism and atheism are equally ridiculous.
Neither have evidence to claim their side as fact, But I believe saying there is a god takes a much larger leap of faith than saying there is no god.
Adding "as far as I know" to the statement "god does not exist" doesnt make you an agnostic man.
That's exactly what it means. It's acknowledging the fact that I don't know..
 Your an atheist with a silly belief that god does not exist.
I wouldn't call it silly..And I am an atheist, but so what? Nothing wrong with atheism.
I guess we can finish this through PM, if thats alright with you of course, I look forward to this "science" that I havent heard of.
No, this thread is fine. I'd just lose the motivation to respond to you over PM.
I can also explain the mountain of evidence that supports my claim and support other claims with credible and well respected men of knowledge...
Go ahead, post your evidence here. No youtube videos though.. They are usually just filled with nonsense and end up being a waste of time.
Which makes me think of something... The Logical Song, you remember posting that? lol That guy was pretty much singing about everything you support, hes against those things, yet you probably interpreted it differently, big surprise. But fuck is that ironic, you liking "The Logical Song" lol. Please tell me you see the irony in that.
It's a song about the innocence of our youth (age 0-8). I was fine before religion was put into my head. Thinking about going to hell day after day is alot to put on your mind.. It aslo made me expect more out of life. What does that matter though? Is this just another petty attack?
PM me what you want me to talk about first, I'll be glad to. Dont keep it here and let your superiors do the thinking for you, we both know how you dont like finding out things on your own....

I have nothing to prove to you.. If you want to talk about science, talk about it. And I'm not sure if you believe you actually have good points, but I don't find it hard at all to answer your questions. Other members are just sick of your pointless shit so they prove you wrong. Don't be intimidated, listen to them.. You might actually learn something.
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Ah they have taught you well Hep, you are actually literate now. Remember when you thought literacy was "spelling"? lol good times... PM or nothin man, you know you depend on the all knowing nut huggers of science, they think truth can only be determined by science, a tiny form of knowledge thats in its infancy. I want to hear what YOU have to say about what I present. No superiors doing your thinking, just you. I want to hear more science then just "I take a pill to make me better when Im sick, thats science" <-- That is the funniest explanation of science that I ever heard, I can only expect more of the same from you lol... I set forth a challenge Hep, where you can finally show me that you are an independent person instead of an arrogant child. Take it or leave it.
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Ah they have taught you well Hep, you are actually literate now. Remember when you thought literacy was "spelling"? lol good times... PM or nothin man, you know you depend on the all knowing nut huggers of science, they think truth can only be determined by science, a tiny form of knowledge thats in its infancy. I want to hear what YOU have to say about what I present. No superiors doing your thinking, just you. I want to hear more science then just "I take a pill to make me better when Im sick, thats science" <-- That is the funniest explanation of science that I ever heard, I can only expect more of the same from you lol... I set forth a challenge Hep, where you can finally show me that you are an independent person instead of an arrogant child. Take it or leave it.
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Oh STFU.. You're nothing but a troll dude. I just answered all your questions yet you say everybody else talks for me. Fuck off.
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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As for the science thing chief. We can talk about it if you want, bring up the subject.
I don't know what you want me to tell you about science... It requires a method of hypothesis, logical reasoning, tests, and reports.. That can deal with a large number of things, I don't know which subject you want to talk about. Either way, saying "throw some science at me" is just stupid IMO. Science should be used to help each other learn, not to show each other up..
 
Chief Walkin Eagle

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Hepheastus420 said:
Oh STFU.. You're nothing but a troll dude. I just answered all your questions yet you say everybody else talks for me. Fuck off.
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Everyone else DOES speak for you! You just recycled what they say into your own words. You held their hand throughout your "enlightening" process and now you feel all high and mighty with this new found "knowledge". Scientific knowledge like how taking a pill makes you feel better xD. You say many groups of people played a part in your decision to believe what you believe, yet I only counted two, Christians and atheists. And that "research" you did was probably VERY half-ass and dismissed because your opinion was already biased "derr, what Im reading doesnt sit well with my CTS". The challenge is still there, you havent tackled anything besides my claims about you. I want to know if you actually have legit scientific knowledge that you boast about. I want to see your CTS badge in action with none of your superiors to help you out. Because I havent really seen you say anything original other than what these know-it-alls say about peoples beliefs.
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Everyone else DOES speak for you! You just recycled what they say into your own words. You held their hand throughout your "enlightening" process and now you feel all high and mighty with this new found "knowledge". Scientific knowledge like how taking a pill makes you feel better xD. You say many groups of people played a part in your decision to believe what you believe, yet I only counted two, Christians and atheists. And that "research" you did was probably VERY half-ass and dismissed because your opinion was already biased "derr, what Im reading doesnt sit well with my CTS". The challenge is still there, you havent tackled anything besides my claims about you. I want to know if you actually have legit scientific knowledge that you boast about. I want to see your CTS badge in action with none of your superiors to help you out. Because I havent really seen you say anything original other than what these know-it-alls say about peoples beliefs.
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You're a dumbass dude. When have I boasted about science? Go suck a dick you nutjob.. Unless you want to teach me something useful.
 
olylifter420

olylifter420

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What about the atmosphere, how could water stay without an atmosphere and why was the planet spared over the billions of years from being completely destroyed by a large enough comet or asteroid?




cannabineer said:
It's currently believed that Jupiter contains awesome amounts of water. it's overlain however by the bulk of the planet's mass, which is mostly hydrogen and thus not dense, even when very compressed.
As for scientists coming up with "new" ideas for why the Earth has its current amount of water, i suggest the word "reasons" is loaded in that it implies theories of high confidence supplanting others. Afaik the science of planetogenesis is mostly hypothetical at this time and is only slowly, patchily being advanced to theory.
As for the dichotomy between directly and indirectly-observed science, we have fairly sophisticated models for the interiors of the major planets and their larger moons ... and we got these from highly precise gravimetry by satellite. Gravimetry allowed us to map the masses and, more importantly, mass distributions of these bodies. The amount of information a trained planetologist can get from simple but precise data is inspiring imo. cn
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Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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Chief Walkin Eagle said:
"The earth is round, thats science... I drink water to survive, thats science... I take a pill when Im sick, thats science" <--- Just to name a few...
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How is that boasting? That's just saying I believe in what I know is true.. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not claiming to be intelligent, I'm just trying to get you off my sack. Boasting would be bragging about a degree (which I don't have) or saying I know everything there is to know (which I don't and never will).
 
olylifter420

olylifter420

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Are you implying that im dumb or stupid?

What do you mean, "once you learn science"? You sound like a bigot cause you already know some of my educational background. The reason for my post was mere curiosity to see what others thought. Clearly you still believe i am stupid cause of my beliefs.

I respected and looked up to you for your knowledge, now i see i was mistaken



mindphuk said:
That's what science does, it proposes a hypothesis that explains some observation (the earth has a lot of water), and then attempts to disprove the hypothesis.


That is only one of many current, competing hypotheses.
There is water on Mars and some of the Jovian moons, most likely candidate is Europa. There is water ice in Saturn's rings and Enceladus has volcanos ejecting water tens of miles out into space.
You can't say Jupiter DOESN'T have any water. However, once you learn science and the effects of temperature and pressure, you can figure out for yourself some areas that cannot contain any liquid water, although there certainly could be some layers in Jupiter that have enormous amounts of water vapor.
No one is 100% certain about any of this and AFAIK, no one has claimed we do know with any amount of certainty.
We see something in our cells that we call SRs. We defined an object as something. That's not even close to being similar to presenting a hypothesis and finding enough support to make it a good theory.
What exactly are you claiming here? Why do some liberal arts professors drive expensive cars? Leasing?
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Chief Walkin Eagle

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Hepheastus420 said:
How is that boasting? That's just saying I believe in what I know is true.. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not claiming to be intelligent, I'm just trying to get you off my sack. Boasting would be bragging about a degree (which I don't have) or saying I know everything there is to know (which I don't and never will).
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Of course its boasting, you feel superior because of these "truths" people have told you. You say "thats science" like you actually have scientific knowledge that I dont. Why dont you take your own advice and learn from what people have to say, you know Im not the only one who pointed out your arrogance. Do you even remember the humble Hep? You seemed like a chill dude when I was reading your older posts, now you just seem like another arrogant know-it-all that has to tell people how it is. Believe it or not, but theres a dramatic change to your attitude man. Go read your older posts and and compare them to the posts where you lecture us inferior theists, then try and tell me your attitude hasnt changed. Smoke a joint, man.
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Of course its boasting, you feel superior because of these "truths" people have told you. You say "thats science" like you actually have scientific knowledge that I dont. Why dont you take your own advice and learn from what people have to say, you know Im not the only one who pointed out your arrogance. Do you even remember the humble Hep? You seemed like a chill dude when I was reading your older posts, now you just seem like another arrogant know-it-all that has to tell people how it is. Believe it or not, but theres a dramatic change to your attitude man. Go read your older posts and and compare them to the posts where you lecture us inferior theists, then try and tell me your attitude hasnt changed. Smoke a joint, man.
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See what you did oly? You gave him ammo lol..
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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olylifter420 said:
Are you implying that im dumb or stupid?

What do you mean, "once you learn science"? You sound like a bigot cause you already know some of my educational background. The reason for my post was mere curiosity to see what others thought. Clearly you still believe i am stupid cause of my beliefs.

I respected and looked up to you for your knowledge, now i see i was mistaken
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All I meant was 'the' science i.e. planetary science. That's why I made some specifics, like the temperature, pressure, gravity, magnetosphere. etc. All of our current understanding is sort of a prerequisite for being able to do the calculations yourself which is what I said.

You seem to have a habit of interpreting my words in the worst possible way. You acted all pissed off at me once when I took too long to reply to your PM. Is everything okay man? Is something else bugging you? I really didn't mean to imply anything negative toward you, but I did assume you didn't know and/or understand the current science regarding this topic otherwise you wouldn't have been asking those questions in that way. You and I are still good. I take it for granted that most people aren't informed in a lot of areas that I am, it's never personal. I have never considered ignorance and stupidity the same although I tend to use uniformed rather than ignorance since it has picked up negative connotations.
 
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