Nightmaresgrowing
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They say bud gets stronger and has greater effects as they continue cross breeding, so I am wondering what the latest and greatest strains are. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Hello! Looking for the newest strains. Perferrably around 2008-2012.
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bluntmassa1
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I don't really think thats true sure theirs some good weed coming out but shit like jack herer, ak-47 ,sensi star, etc are still some of the best strains. I don't know about you but I would rather grow all the great classic strains their realy hasn't been too many strains coming out from the older breeders either most of the new shit is from all the calli and spanish breeders not so much the companies that have been around 15+ years.
lahadaextranjera
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Last few years:-
Jamaican Dream - Eva seeds
white dragon - Eva seeds
Exile - serious seeds
Melon gum - dr underground
Off the top of my head
Jamaican Dream - Eva seeds
white dragon - Eva seeds
Exile - serious seeds
Melon gum - dr underground
Off the top of my head
Nightmaresgrowing
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Hmm I wonder if there's a database that is keeping track of strains, to an extent of it of course.
The problem is, alot of the "new" breeders, just take a good clone and cross it with any male they can get their hands on and sell the seeds. They arent "new" strains, just simply f1 crosses of anything popular.
Jogro
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I don't believe this to be true.
In terms of sheer potency, the best strains from 20+ years ago are still right up there with the best ones from today.
Durban Poision, Herijuana, Williams Wonder, and Northern Lights (just to name a few) are all 20 year old or older strains that have had cuts measured at 20%(+) THC, putting them right up there with "Super Duper Kush 2012".
Cannabis has been selectively bred for literally thousands of years to achieve max potency, and its probably been achieved already (or pretty close).
In my opinion, the biggest advances of the last decade are better FLAVORED crosses, shorter flowering times with sativa-dominant strains, autoflowering strain development, and just much better availability and variety of super-potent strains.
Nightmaresgrowing
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Yeah I'd have to agree with you for the most part. I guess I thought someone would know of something crazy, but guess not.
PJ Diaz
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Some of the newer OG hybrids are testing closer to 25% while the classic strains seem to hover right around 20%. Some of the strains I'm thinking about include Platinum OG, MK-Ultra, and Girl Scout Cookies. Some of the newer haze hybrids like Blue Dream are also leaving the classic strains somewhat in the dust.
t0rn
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He's never finished a grow, Wtf are you saying?
kermit2692
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lol yaaa....notice how ever post he makes is like a mile long...that guys a nut..
bluntmassa1
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why is it all the noobs think hazey knows what hes talking about he cuts his plants when they start stinking. he don't like any pungent strains and hates indicas. he grows in 16oz party cups and does a horrible job.
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this is how hazey grapes the great tests out strains with pick n mix seeds and yields less than a gram per seed I think it just might be cheaper for hazey to buy weed.
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this is how hazey grapes the great tests out strains with pick n mix seeds and yields less than a gram per seed I think it just might be cheaper for hazey to buy weed.
kermit2692
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^ lol...ill start reading a post and as i read it will be more and more fishy and smell like bs...then i realize its a really long post...so then i check who posted it, damnit crazeyhazey again..almost wasted five minutes of my time...guy belongs in the looney bin and im pretty sure he is also hazey grapes
Jogro
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As far as I can tell, the strain Blue Dream is at least four or five years old, it typically tests in at 15-20% THC, and that would make it no stronger than either of the best cuts of its decades-old parents (haze and DJ Short Blueberry), nor the majority of the strong medical strains. Yes, I realize there may be exceptional cases of higher test results. . .see below.
The same is true of all the strains you've mentioned. Here are a variety of published test results:
MK Ultra: 15-22% THC. http://budgenius.com/search.html?cmd=search&query=mk+ultra&submit=Strain+ID+Search
Girl Scout Cookies: 19% THC. http://budgenius.com/search.html?cmd=search&query=Girlscout+Cookies
Platinum OG: 13-21% THC http://budgenius.com/search.html?tab=2&cmd=search&query=platinum+og&rating=&Thc9=0%+-+30%&Cbd=0%+-+10%&Cbn=0%+-+10%&location=&coordinates=&radius=10
Northern Lights: 11-26% (!) THC: http://budgenius.com/search.html?tab=2&cmd=search&query=northern+lights&rating=&Thc9=0%+-+30%&Cbd=0%+-+10%&Cbn=0%+-+10%&location=&coordinates=&radius=10
And with due respect to you and "budgenius" I think you have to take all published THC content results with a gigantic grain of salt.
First rule of thumb is, if you didn't see the report with your own eyes, and if its not from one of a very small number of reputable testing facilities, its bogus. Obviously that's not true in every case, but enough breeders and sellers are distorting or outright lying about THC contents, that this is certainly true often enough that's its a good rule.
For obvious reasons, there are all sorts of conflicts of interest in reporting these sorts of results, and its in everyone in the industries' interest to maintain the perception that the newest strains blow away everything else in terms of potency. That's true for breeders, ceid-sellers, dispensaries, magazine sellers, etc. Again, as far as I can tell, its simply not true. Part of the reason you may see skew towards the newer strains is simply because there is a lot more interest in testing them, selling them, and promoting them.
In general, and assuming actual testing, not only will results vary to some extent from lab to lab even between reputable labs, they can vary wildly from grow to grow (even between different grows of clones of the same mother plant), and can even vary considerably depending on which part of the SAME plant you're testing. Its also possible to adulterate individual samples by adding a small amount of kief/hash to them. So far as I know, no lab tests for that. . .they only report THC in samples they've received.
Lots of people are CLAIMING 24%+ THC strains, but the reality is that testing of any strain is always going to yield a range of results, and that ACTUAL BUDS testing in that high are exceptionally unusual, almost certainly representing an absolute best case scenario (possibly even with dumb luck involved), not something you'd likely see in the vast majority of actual grows with that strain. Here is some pretty sound recent commentary on this topic from one of the actual testing labs. This was published about seven months ago; I'm only quoting an excerpt, read the whole thing:
Note that at this point both OG Kush and Sour Diesel are each 20+ year old strains. With individual examples testing at 23 and 24%, that puts them right up there with the best of the 2012 "ultra-kushes" (most of which are directly derived from these two, anyway).
Jogro
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Again, in terms of just potency, I think the best cuts from any of the super-strong strains of the last 25 years are going to be up there with the best of what's around today: AK-47, the "white" strains, etc.
Maybe the best of the best of today is a *little* stronger (ie 25% THC vs 22%), but I'm not even sure its really true, and even if it is, I'd argue its probably not a functionally significant difference anyway. Its certainly not the case that the more recent strains "blow away" the older ones. So it takes 2.4 puffs to knock you on your ass vs 2 puffs? Is that difference really something you're going to get worked up about?
As to a database, as referenced in the last post, you can check out that site Budgenius. Again, you'll have to take what's written there with a big grain of salt, but I think its a reasonable way to get some sense of what's out there (vs what people are claiming) and compare potencies of stuff you might actually encounter at a dispensary.
In terms of "crazy", how "crazy" are you after?
So long as its fresh, pretty much any quality hash (even old school dry-sieved kind) is going to be more potent than ANY buds, and these are "only" a few thousands years old too!
If you're in a place where concentrates are readily available, it shouldn't be too hard to find some water/bubble hash or wax that's over 40% THC, and the better of these "wax" type products get up to 60+%. If you want to "dab", hash oils can get over 75% THC.
Kite High
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IME I have found that the test numbers mean squat...For instance I had some BF LSD that tested 23% thc...some c99 that tested 18%...the c99 blew the lsd away....had my grows tested I did but no more...doesn't seem to mean squat
PJ Diaz
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Amazingly, the actual test results I've found are quite different than the results you've posted. Take a look for yourself.
Blue Dream testing at:
+ 24% total active cannabinoids: http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=120911K043
+ 24.4% total active cannabinoids: http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=120801N003
+ 25.2% total active cannabinoids: http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=120626J008
MK Ultra testing at:
+ 27.9% total active cannabinoids: http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=120730L005
+ 26.9% total active cannabinoids: http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=120628Q004
Platinum OG testing at:
+ 28.5% total active cannabinoids: http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=120503K008
+ 23.3% total active cannabinoids: http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=120625N001
+ 24.4% total active cannabinoids: http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=121006L091
Girl Scout Cookies testing at:
+ 28.1% total active cannabinoids: http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=120830L009
+ 30.7% total active cannabinoids: http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=120928I051
+ 25.8% total active cannabinoids: http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=120526J006
Fact is the info posted at BudGenius is quite limited. The tests posted above are from one of the most respected testing facilities in the medical scene.
Jogro
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Good info thanks.
I used Budgenius only because it was the only quickly locatable public resource for THC testing I know of. Are you aware of any other?
In particular, does SC labs have any database of results that are viewable to the public? Any other comparable lab do that?
One of the issues with comparisons is that if you want to do it correctly, you have to compare strains tested at the same facility. (Do you add up all total cannabinoids? How is the assay done, etc). I'd be curious to see how various named classic strains tested at SC labs facility under their same methodology, and what kind of range they're seeing in their samples. I'd also like to see ALL the listing of the name strains above, not just a selected few.
All that notwithstanding, I'd argue that a potentially 25% cannabinoid strain from 2012, still doesn't "leave in the dust" a potentially 20%+ one from 1988.
Of course 25% is better than 20%, but I think in the real world if you're not satisfied with a 20% strain nothing it really going to do it for you, not even a 25% strain. Also, as a matter of practice, you may well not be able to get your hands on "elite clone 25%", where some of the strong stuff from years past may be readily available in ceed form from any seller.