So what do you guys think of Michelle Carter?

ttystikk

ttystikk

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tangerinegreen555 said:
Nobody really cares about your kinky shit.

It's your idea that hard core republican strong holds would suddenly accept more liberal Democratic candidates that continues to boggle my mind.

It's not like it's actually happening from what I observe. I think there will be a backlash against Trump next year, largely because approx. 2/3 of polled voters don't like him.

I also don't see how you say Sanders would have beaten Trump. Hillary had 2.9 million more votes. Sanders would have had more votes also, but that's not enough lately. And he never had strong support in my state getting only 42% in the primary here, one of the 3 key states that let Trump slip in the back door.

Your opinions on who can win and why just don't jive with current polarized political reality. Polarized being the key word, republicans would NEVER have accepted Sanders and a lot of swing voters foolishly liked Trump, for whatever ill informed reasons, over any Democrat due to a strangely perverted need for 'change'.
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I'd agree with this except that the term polarized is misleading in the context of American politics; Republicans are hard right but Democrats, far from being left- let alone hard left- are now running a 'not quite as right wing as the Republicans' strategy and that works for no one. Republicans will continue to vote for their candidate and Democrats won't vote for what they don't want to see.

Therefore a Democratic platform that actually IS much further to the left is not only the only logical choice left, but it also speaks to a large group of people who aren't voting now.

So why doesn't the Democratic Party do that? FOLLOW THE MONEY.

I attended a political meeting today and everyone there felt the same way I do; that the Democratic Party has failed us miserably. We weren't a bunch of wild eyed left wing Sandernistas, either; we came from all walls of life and age groups and had varied views.

We wanted the Democratic Party to represent us, and we shared our frustrations about the fact that it seemed to have no interest in doing so.

I feel strongly that there's huge untapped support for an unapologetically Left platform and candidates to champion it. The Democratic Party as it now stands is simply unwilling to listen because they like the Citizens United money they're making.
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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ttystikk said:
I'd agree with this except that the term polarized is misleading in the context of American politics; Republicans are hard right but Democrats, far from being left- let alone hard left- are now running a 'not quite as right wing as the Republicans' strategy and that works for no one. Republicans will continue to vote for their candidate and Democrats won't vote for what they don't want to see.

Therefore a Democratic platform that actually IS much further to the left is not only the only logical choice left, but it also speaks to a large group of people who aren't voting now.

So why doesn't the Democratic Party do that? FOLLOW THE MONEY.

I attended a political meeting today and everyone there felt the same way I do; that the Democratic Party has failed us miserably. We weren't a bunch of wild eyed left wing Sandernistas, either; we came from all walls of life and age groups and had varied views.

We wanted the Democratic Party to represent us, and we shared our frustrations about the fact that it seemed to have no interest in doing so.

I feel strongly that there's huge untapped support for an unapologetically Left platform and candidates to champion it. The Democratic Party as it now stands is simply unwilling to listen because they like the Citizens United money they're making.
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I'm all for an 'unapologetically Left platform'.

But until there's very real widespread support for it, I'll have to keep voting Democrat like I have been since 1972. And after there is widespread support for it, I'm certain it will be within the same party I've supported since 1972.

Are we perfect? No.

But we're a hell of a lot better than the wing nuts. Yesterday, today and tomorrow. I just remodeled my house, I'm looking for a nice framed portrait of FDR for over my TV like my grandma had. Seems fitting.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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tangerinegreen555 said:
But until there's very real widespread support for it
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Take a look around, man. There is a progressive wave sweeping this country. We have no leadership aside from Sanders and Warren who are taking advantage of it. The leadership of the Democratic establishment do not want to enact universal healthcare, even if they believed they could pass it, because their donors don't want it. The people want it, the stalling is coming from the top. That's why 81 house Democrats don't support it.
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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Padawanbater2 said:
Take a look around, man. There is a progressive wave sweeping this country. We have no leadership aside from Sanders and Warren who are taking advantage of it. The leadership of the Democratic establishment do not want to enact universal healthcare, even if they believed they could pass it, because their donors don't want it. The people want it, the stalling is coming from the top. That's why 81 house Democrats don't support it.
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I think they will support what they think might pass, and they worry about what the majority of their constituents think.

Do you really think single payer has a chance in hell right now?

They're trying to gut the ACA ffs.

We need seats in '18, and control in '20, and then you can start a wish list with a chance.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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tangerinegreen555 said:
I think they will support what they think might pass, and they worry about what the majority of their constituents think.

Do you really think single payer has a chance in hell right now?

They're trying to gut the ACA ffs.

We need seats in '18, and control in '20, and then you can start a wish list with a chance.
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Look at what is currently happening in Washington. Republicans are bent on destroying the ACA via the AHCA. It has a 17% approval rating. If congressional Democrats would simply come out against it, in every aspect, and push for single payer as an alternative, they would win. Americans support universal healthcare by a margin greater than 60%. You don't earn votes by half assing it. Push for what you know is right, push for what the American people support, and you will win. Half ass it by only supporting the ACA and you won't.

Mark my words, watch what happens in 2018 to the Democrats in the house who are up for reelection who don't support universal healthcare.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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tangerinegreen555 said:
I'm all for an 'unapologetically Left platform'.

But until there's very real widespread support for it, I'll have to keep voting Democrat like I have been since 1972. And after there is widespread support for it, I'm certain it will be within the same party I've supported since 1972.

Are we perfect? No.

But we're a hell of a lot better than the wing nuts. Yesterday, today and tomorrow. I just remodeled my house, I'm looking for a nice framed portrait of FDR for over my TV like my grandma had. Seems fitting.
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I'll vote for any Democrat who runs on such a platform. Jeremy Corbyn was extremely successful in the most recent British elections because in store of all the advice to the contrary he did just that. It worked out very well.

The truth is that it hasn't been tried here in recent years, so we just don't know how well it would work.

I suspect that it hasn't been tried because the donor class has made it very clear they would not support it.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
Take a look around, man. There is a progressive wave sweeping this country. We have no leadership aside from Sanders and Warren who are taking advantage of it. The leadership of the Democratic establishment do not want to enact universal healthcare, even if they believed they could pass it, because their donors don't want it. The people want it, the stalling is coming from the top. That's why 81 house Democrats don't support it.
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EXACTLY.

FOLLOW THE GODDAMNED MONEY!
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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tangerinegreen555 said:
I think they will support what they think might pass, and they worry about what the majority of their constituents think.

Do you really think single payer has a chance in hell right now?

They're trying to gut the ACA ffs.

We need seats in '18, and control in '20, and then you can start a wish list with a chance.
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If Democrats ran on a platform that truly promised the things, they'd get the support needed to do it.

They dither, waffle and make excuses instead and end up with mealy mouthed half baked campaigns that stink of bullshit and then wonder why no one votes for them.

The American people have figured out that donor cash runs the show.

That's why we are organizing in meetings rather than through the major parties.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Sir Napsalot said:
We need to change the way we think as a people
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This is true. I attended a get together with other like minded people today, and we talked about politics from the liberal perspective. There were a lot of people connecting the dots and seeing the bigger picture.

If America doesn't do away with tax supported political manipulation we are fucking doomed.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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ttystikk said:
This is true. I attended a get together with other like minded people today, and we talked about politics from the liberal perspective. There were a lot of people connecting the dots and seeing the bigger picture.

If America doesn't do away with tax supported political manipulation we are fucking doomed.
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Do you ever leave your echo chamber safe space?

Seriously... it's a real thing and it's giving you false positives.

"I was with like minded people today and we all thought similar things...therefore everyone thinks the same!!"
 
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schuylaar

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Padawanbater2 said:
Take a look around, man. There is a progressive wave sweeping this country. We have no leadership aside from Sanders and Warren who are taking advantage of it. The leadership of the Democratic establishment do not want to enact universal healthcare, even if they believed they could pass it, because their donors don't want it. The people want it, the stalling is coming from the top. That's why 81 house Democrats don't support it.
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We just pay their regular salary..it's special interest that makes them millionaires.
 
dagwood45431

dagwood45431

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ttystikk said:
I'd agree with this except that the term polarized is misleading in the context of American politics; Republicans are hard right but Democrats, far from being left- let alone hard left- are now running a 'not quite as right wing as the Republicans' strategy and that works for no one. Republicans will continue to vote for their candidate and Democrats won't vote for what they don't want to see.

Therefore a Democratic platform that actually IS much further to the left is not only the only logical choice left, but it also speaks to a large group of people who aren't voting now.

So why doesn't the Democratic Party do that? FOLLOW THE MONEY.

I attended a political meeting today and everyone there felt the same way I do; that the Democratic Party has failed us miserably. We weren't a bunch of wild eyed left wing Sandernistas, either; we came from all walls of life and age groups and had varied views.

We wanted the Democratic Party to represent us, and we shared our frustrations about the fact that it seemed to have no interest in doing so.

I feel strongly that there's huge untapped support for an unapologetically Left platform and candidates to champion it. The Democratic Party as it now stands is simply unwilling to listen because they like the Citizens United money they're making.
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Gee, if only some Democrats took a position on CU.

Clinton pledges constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United ruling
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/hillary-clinton-citizens-united-225658
 
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