Does anyone see truth?

New Age United · Sep 3, 2015

tyler.durden said:
You advertise truth, then bait and switch to peace. The truth regarding objective reality and peace have nothing to do with each other. Most religions emphasize the warm and fuzzy attribute of attaining peace, while their teachings are light years away from anything resembling objective reality. If you were honest you would emphasize attaining peace, and steer clear of claims of truth and reality...

You do not recall correctly - https://www.rollitup.org/t/does-anyone-want-to-receive-spiritual-enlightenment.644410/

We can see on page 20 you bring up bullshit speculation as a topic for objective debate, which naturally shut down before it started. This is right after you try so desperately to tout the erroneous idea that all truth is intuitive. We show with specific examples of how this idea is simply not true, that great truths regarding reality are often counter-intuitive, but you just keep touting the same bullshit that gives you comfort. You do this throughout the entire thread, this shows that you are not interested in learning, you are concerned about defending your pet ideas and being perceived as 'enlightened'. Ignoring reality cannot lead to truth. You are a fraud...

Just because you can't open your eyes for two seconds and see the plain and simple truth I am trying to show you does not make me a fraud, trust me Mr Durden I don't do this for my own gratification I honestly am trying to help people and I have helped with this shit, which is why I continue, 90% of the people spit at my perspective and ridicule me for it, do you honestly think I would continue if I never succeeded at all, after years of this shit trust me I would have gave up by now.

Yes I will admit I was wrong about intuition and I do understand that the truth is very often counter-intuitive. I don't have an organized philosophy so it is hard to explain but the truth of which I speak can lead you to peace, by letting go of conditioned thought and realizing that "the mind is maya", the mind is the cause of human suffering. I had to transcend my mind as a matter of survival and by doing so I found peace, now I am doing my best with words to show others how they can do the same. No I am not the most intelligent cat around but I can still know things that you might be ignorant of, though i may not be the best at conveying myself.

tyler.durden · Sep 3, 2015

New Age United said:
Just because you can't open your eyes for two seconds and see the plain and simple truth I am trying to show you does not make me a fraud, trust me Mr Durden

My eyes and mind are very open, as demonstrated by my astute questioning. When I ask you for clarification or specifics, I get a jumbled, contradictory response from you. When I point this out you state that I'm no fun, or that I'm closed-minded. Weak...

I don't do this for my own gratification I honestly am trying to help people and I have helped with this shit, which is why I continue, 90% of the people spit at my perspective and ridicule me for it, do you honestly think I would continue if I never succeeded at all, after years of this shit trust me I would have gave up by now.

Of course you do it for your own gratification. In this case, it seems that you get a feeling of gratification that you are somehow helping others. How do we know that others have told you that you have helped? Can you link to examples of people expressing this?

Yes I will admit I was wrong about intuition and I do understand that the truth is very often counter-intuitive.

If you were incorrect regarding this central theme of your philosophy of which you were so certain, perhaps you are wrong about more (or all) of it. By the way, after realizing that you were incorrect about intuition, have you stopped preaching about it? Something tells me no, and that would be dishonest...

I don't have an organized philosophy so it is hard to explain but the truth of which I speak can lead you to peace, by letting go of conditioned thought and realizing that "the mind is maya", the mind is the cause of human suffering.

The mind is the source of ALL human experience, including suffering. Halting the activities of the mind would halt all human experience, positive and negative. Why strive for this while alive? You'll have plenty of it when you die...

I had to transcend my mind as a matter of survival and by doing so I found peace, now I am doing my best with words to show others how they can do the same.

I am beginning to see why you cling so desperately to your belief system, it is a matter of your survival. This means that you cannot be objective. I'd still love to see any testimonials from others on how you've helped them, should be easy enough if they exist...

No I am not the most intelligent cat around but I can still know things that you might be ignorant of, though i may not be the best at conveying myself.

You probably do know things that I do not, but I haven't read them so far...

New Age United · Sep 3, 2015

tyler.durden said:
My eyes and mind are very open, as demonstrated by my astute questioning. When I ask you for clarification or specifics, I get a jumbled, contradictory response from you. When I point this out you state that I'm no fun, or that I'm closed-minded. Weak...

Of course you do it for your own gratification. In this case, it seems that you get a feeling of gratification that you are somehow helping others. How do we know that others have told you you have helped? Can you link to examples of people expressing this?

If you were incorrect regarding this central theme of your philosophy of which you were so certain, perhaps you are wrong about more (or all) of it. By the way, after realizing that you were incorrect about intuition, have to stopped preaching about it? Something tells me no, and that would be dishonest...

The mind is the source of ALL human experience, including suffering. Halting the activities of the mind would halt all human experience, positive and negative. Why strive for this while alive? You'll have plenty of it when you die...

I am beginning to see why you cling so desperately to your belief system, it is a matter of your survival. This means that you cannot be objective. I'd still love to see any testimonials from others on how you've helped them, should be easy enough if they exist...

You probably do know things that I do not, but I haven't read them so far...

Yes I suppose I do get a bit of gratification from helping people but gratification is fleeting, I don't seek fulfillment in fleeting things I am already fulfilled in the Eternal Present. No I use intuition in its proper context now and i guess I have you to thank for that. No I don't have testimonials but even if I did I would not reveal them, most people like to keep it private and are not as public about the whole thing as i am. Sorry if my responses are jumbled, I'm on my phone and don't even know how to multi quote, which would make my responses more organized. Some day when I'm on my computer and can type longer messages I'll get a hold of you and see if you have time for debate.

greasemonkeymann · Sep 3, 2015

New Age United said:
Yes I suppose I do get a bit of gratification from helping people but gratification is fleeting, I don't seek fulfillment in fleeting things I am already fulfilled in the Eternal Present. No I use intuition in its proper context now and i guess I have you to thank for that. No I don't have testimonials but even if I did I would not reveal them, most people like to keep it private and are not as public about the whole thing as i am. Sorry if my responses are jumbled, I'm on my phone and don't even know how to multi quote, which would make my responses more organized. Some day when I'm on my computer and can type longer messages I'll get a hold of you and see if you have time for debate.

i'm just lost here, how does time not exist?
Meh... I shouldn't respond to this.. it's sorta like explaining the concept of colors to a blind person.
you need to read about the factual things in science, if you are seriously into this sorta thing, go read the book "The Grand Design"

New Age United · Sep 3, 2015

greasemonkeymann said:
i'm just lost here, how does time not exist?
Meh... I shouldn't respond to this.. it's sorta like explaining the concept of colors to a blind person.
you need to read about the factual things in science, if you are seriously into this sorta thing, go read the book "The Grand Design"

Explaining colors to a blind person, I feel that way a lot lol. Yes I know what time is according to general relativity. "Time is an illusion" Einstein. It is a concept in your mind and has no existence outside of it.

I will try to read it thanks

thepenofareadywriter · Sep 3, 2015

greasemonkeymann said:
i'm just lost here, how does time not exist?
Meh... I shouldn't respond to this.. it's sorta like explaining the concept of colors to a blind person.
you need to read about the factual things in science, if you are seriously into this sorta thing, go read the book "The Grand Design"

now this is just my thoughts on time...but it would seem to me that if anything was truth or [real] it would be time and I think this way because it seems that nothing can exist without time... you could not smoke weed without time! it takes time for it to grow... it takes day and night for it to grow...which also is time ...just my thoughts

New Age United · Sep 3, 2015

thepenofareadywriter said:
now this is just my thoughts on time...but it would seem to me that if anything was truth or [real] it would be time and I think this way because it seems that nothing can exist without time... you could not smoke weed without time! it takes time for it to grow... it takes day and night for it to grow...which also is time ...just my thoughts

I respect your thoughts and can see your point completely. But it is still just a measurement of relative motion. There is a singular point in space time, a frame of reference, there is the point of space(the tree dimensions) and there is the fourth dimension of time which is the relative motion of objects in that space. You are at a certain point in those four dimensions and you would call it the here and now. But just as an inch or centimeter has no real existence out side of the human mind neither does the measurement of space and time. It is all happening right now, yes of course you course you can measure time but in reality it is only now, the past and future do not exist, the universe is always now.

Glaucoma · Sep 3, 2015

New Age United said:
the past and future do not exist, the universe is always now.

And yet I still have to wait 2 years between Sherlock seasons.

greasemonkeymann · Sep 4, 2015

New Age United said:
Explaining colors to a blind person, I feel that way a lot lol. Yes I know what time is according to general relativity. "Time is an illusion" Einstein. It is a concept in your mind and has no existence outside of it.

I will try to read it thanks

with all respect given, I suggest you try very hard, not to be condescending, but it approaches many, many different theories and many of them very unconventional. You wil learn much and it'll enlighten you much more than chatting online in a pot-growing forum...
check it out, I promise you'll need to read it at least three times to get even half of the stuff covered.
I've read it like five times and comprehend maybe 60% at best.
And astral physics, cosmology, and astronomy are interest of mine since childhood.
Just interested on how you'd explain the approx. age of the universe (between 12 and 14 billion yrs depending on which cosmologist you ask) 14.7 is my belief.
or how carbon dating works.
or how you can see the age of rocks from the corresponding magnetic alignment of the ferrous material contained (matching the earths varying magnetic pole reversals)
just sayin if time didn't have an existence beyond what we have in our mind, then how did earth precede us by millions and millions of yrs.
or the galaxy?
or the universe?
what about other beings?
You trying to tell me the entire universe is predicated on HUMAN'S consciousness?
We're the only species in the universe?! Logic like that is akin to the 13th century or worse...
Like sayin the sun is literally "going up and down" each day.
If that's the case I end this argument now, as it is very well the case of arguing color to a blind person...
After all, tell me what the color green looks like...
science is a mofo man..

New Age United · Sep 4, 2015

greasemonkeymann said:
with all respect given, I suggest you try very hard, not to be condescending, but it approaches many, many different theories and many of them very unconventional. You wil learn much and it'll enlighten you much more than chatting online in a pot-growing forum...
check it out, I promise you'll need to read it at least three times to get even half of the stuff covered.
I've read it like five times and comprehend maybe 60% at best.
And astral physics, cosmology, and astronomy are interest of mine since childhood.
Just interested on how you'd explain the approx. age of the universe (between 12 and 14 billion yrs depending on which cosmologist you ask) 14.7 is my belief.
or how carbon dating works.
or how you can see the age of rocks from the corresponding magnetic alignment of the ferrous material contained (matching the earths varying magnetic pole reversals)
just sayin if time didn't have an existence beyond what we have in our mind, then how did earth precede us by millions and millions of yrs.
or the galaxy?
or the universe?
what about other beings?
You trying to tell me the entire universe is predicated on HUMAN'S consciousness?
We're the only species in the universe?! Logic like that is akin to the 13th century or worse...
Like sayin the sun is literally "going up and down" each day.
If that's the case I end this argument now, as it is very well the case of arguing color to a blind person...
After all, tell me what the color green looks like...
science is a mofo man..

No I never meant to be condescending, I actual am going to try and read it. Yes I understand all of that but still the universe is always now, it is all happening now. Yes things do age, we all experience the effects of time, but everything that ever took place or will ever take place happens in the now.

The universe does not age, it is eternal, it just transforms and this is what we perceive as aging.

greasemonkeymann · Sep 4, 2015

New Age United said:
No I never meant to be condescending, I actual am going to try and read it. Yes I understand all of that but still the universe is always now, it is all happening now. Yes things do age, we all experience the effects of time, but everything that ever took place or will ever take place happens in the now.

The universe does not age, it is eternal, it just transforms and this is what we perceive as aging.

you misunderstood me, I didn't think you were being condescending, I was saying that I didn't want to come across as condescending because of what I said.

By the way, your post totally contradicts your earlier statement.

New Age United said:
Explaining colors to a blind person, I feel that way a lot lol. Yes I know what time is according to general relativity. "Time is an illusion" Einstein. It is a concept in your mind and has no existence outside of it.

I will try to read it thanks

My question again (only because it's slow as hell at work)
how is it that everything in the universe experiences the atrophy of time.
third law of thermodynamics.,,, and the second as well.

Second law of thermodynamics: In a natural thermodynamic process, the sum of the entropies of the interacting thermodynamic systems increases. Equivalently, perpetual motion machines of the second kind are impossible.

Third law of thermodynamics: The entropy of a system approaches a constant value as the temperature approaches absolute zero.[2] With the exception of non-crystalline solids (glasses) the entropy of a system at absolute zero is typically close to zero, and is equal to the log of the multiplicity of the quantum ground states.

New Age United · Sep 4, 2015

greasemonkeymann said:
you misunderstood me, I didn't think you were being condescending, I was saying that I didn't want to come across as condescending because of what I said.

By the way, your post totally contradicts your earlier statement.

My question again (only because it's slow as hell at work)
how is it that everything in the universe experiences the atrophy of time.
third law of thermodynamics.,,,

Third law of thermodynamics: The entropy of a system approaches a constant value as the temperature approaches absolute zero.[2] With the exception of non-crystalline solids (glasses) the entropy of a system at absolute zero is typically close to zero, and is equal to the log of the multiplicity of the quantum ground states.

Material forms do age, as in they transform, the growth and the decay of matter, but everything in existence is now, the Present Moment is all that actually exists.

Yes I know it contradicts it is a paradox.

The universe (energy) is eternal, it does not age it just transforms in an infinite (mathematical definition ) number of ways.

Grandpapy · Sep 4, 2015

Time is a man made construct only relative to what we know or perceive to know, and unnecessary in the absents of man.

It is our perception that there's a beginning and an end to the universe. It's harder to imagine space as a perpetual motion mass, regenerating it's self every 900 trillion "Earth" years or so.

That brings us to this moment, the here and now. <not this period dot, this one. Now this one.

This is where I find true peace.
When I can remove time from my thoughts, not worrying what happened yesterday or what might happen outside of this moment. I can relax, let go and enjoy.

Sadly, the true peaceful feeling I get is best achieved by Scuba Diving, interrupted only by "time" or no air. lol

reddan1981 · Sep 4, 2015

if the moon reflects the sun, why is its light demonstrably cold? All you all have is text book and or wiki. You will believe, that which fits your own versions of reality.
If I ask that all of you should look out of your windows and actually OBSERVE, very few will. You are sleepwalking. The scientific elites are monopolizing and pushing fallacies. It is frighteningly blatant, WE ARE NOT ON A BALL, religions are set up to polarize and cause division.
Transcendence, is the new buzz word for all, who want to escape from reality. WHAT IS REALITY? Reality is...... Governments that poison us, kill us, force us to follow THEIR rules, not our own common sense natural laws. Reality is indoctrination in many guises. Reality is artificial societal ideals based on consumerism and individual need, regardless of its consequence.
I made a bold statement to say 'we are not on a ball' , your first instinct is to, question my sanity, your second to assume stupidity or a lack of understanding, your third mistake is assuming YOU know the truth because, 'I learned it in school... Der'. Well I'm getting high right now (no excuse to condescend) does anyone want to play a game of trump information? I'll explain, I give demonstrable, observable proofs (actual experiment, not theory or speculation). Your job is to 'trump' my information, to show me how stupid I am.
flat earth experiments.
Sagnak experiment
Michelson- Morley experiment
Aries failure
Bedford canal experiment

Glaucoma · Sep 4, 2015

reddan1981 said:
if the moon reflects the sun, why is its light demonstrably cold? All you all have is text book and or wiki. You will believe, that which fits your own versions of reality.
If I ask that all of you should look out of your windows and actually OBSERVE, very few will. You are sleepwalking. The scientific elites are monopolizing and pushing fallacies. It is frighteningly blatant, WE ARE NOT ON A BALL, religions are set up to polarize and cause division.
Transcendence, is the new buzz word for all, who want to escape from reality. WHAT IS REALITY? Reality is...... Governments that poison us, kill us, force us to follow THEIR rules, not our own common sense natural laws. Reality is indoctrination in many guises. Reality is artificial societal ideals based on consumerism and individual need, regardless of its consequence.
I made a bold statement to say 'we are not on a ball' , your first instinct is to, question my sanity, your second to assume stupidity or a lack of understanding, your third mistake is assuming YOU know the truth because, 'I learned it in school... Der'. Well I'm getting high right now (no excuse to condescend) does anyone want to play a game of trump information? I'll explain, I give demonstrable, observable proofs (actual experiment, not theory or speculation). Your job is to 'trump' my information, to show me how stupid I am.
flat earth experiments.
Sagnak experiment
Michelson- Morley experiment
Aries failure
Bedford canal experiment

reddan1981 · Sep 5, 2015

Glaucoma said:

photo from moon landing? lol when did YOU take this photo? Cause to me it looks like one of very limited photos taken from lunar surface that is banded about as proof..... I know this photo. Where is the suns origin? Think of perspective. If we can SEE crater's on the moon, why no distinguishable observation points? Who owns and produces these photos? Who founded NASA?

Glaucoma · Sep 5, 2015

reddan1981 said:
photo from moon landing? lol when did YOU take this photo? Cause to me it looks like one of very limited photos taken from lunar surface that is banded about as proof..... I know this photo. Where is the suns origin? Think of perspective. If we can SEE crater's on the moon, why no distinguishable observation points? Who owns and produces these photos? Who founded NASA?

I realize we aren't in a science forum, but when you ask for proof you don't really want proof huh?

There are literally hundreds of ways of verifying that the Earth is round. Eratosthenes was able to calculate the circumference with amazing accuracy using nothing but shadows well over 2000 years ago.

reddan1981 · Sep 5, 2015

Glaucoma said:
I realize we aren't in a science forum, but when you ask for proof you don't really want proof huh?

There are literally hundreds of ways of verifying that the Earth is round. Eratosthenes was able to calculate the circumference with amazing accuracy using nothing but shadows well over 2000 years ago.

You're right my mate, I don't need answers provided by the monopoly, anyone can Wiki. Do you know how he conducted his experiment? Do you know of his religious and political beliefs?

Glaucoma · Sep 5, 2015

reddan1981 said:
You're right my mate, I don't need answers provided by the monopoly, anyone can Wiki. Do you know how he conducted his experiment? Do you know of his religious and political beliefs?

He used shadows.

It also led to his discovery that the Earth was tilted.

What does his religion have to do with math?

reddan1981 · Sep 5, 2015

Glaucoma said:
He used shadows.

It also led to his discovery that the Earth was tilted.

What does his religion have to do with math?

Right, you have used him to prove me wrong, but his work was deciphered from ancient Greek in the 1900s. His measurements were recorded in units of Stadia myriad, his OWN math language, scholars still argue what stadia myriads equate to.

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