24/0 vs everything else. Time for a debate.

CC Dobbs

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Right-fucking-on. We haven't discussed this nearly enough yet. The best idea is to run you plants at 3 hours on 1 hour off. The plants don't know how long a day is supposed to be so don't let them know that on earth our days are 24 hours long. If they think that a day is only 4 hours long then they will mature in 10 days. Fucking brilliant.
 

makka

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ph still changes during lights out which tell me the plants is active doing somat?
also the plants transpire at a different rate in the darkness thats why if u have low humidity problems like high vpd then the light going out is like a break at the end of a stressfull day well thats my opinion anyways
 

makka

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Right-fucking-on. We haven't discussed this nearly enough yet. The best idea is to run you plants at 3 hours on 1 hour off. The plants don't know how long a day is supposed to be so don't let them know that on earth our days are 24 hours long. If they think that a day is only 4 hours long then they will mature in 10 days. Fucking brilliant.
i wish
 

rkymtnman

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this post was started because member Dr Who wanted a debate on this subject.
let's start with the basics:
photosynthesis

CO2+light>>>O2+sugars which the plant uses as energy for growing

cannabis is a C3 plant which means that it DOES NOT use CO2 during the dark. so no CO2 and no light means no photosynthesis.

so a plant with lights on for 24/0 will photosynthesize at 100% rate.
any less than that and the plant does not photosyntesize for those hours and you "lose" potential growing time. also, if a plant is constantly growing, the internode spacing will be much closer than a plant that does not get light 24/0. we've all seen what a plant with not enough light looks like in the newbie section. somebody using a CFL a foot above the plants and they look like tall spindly things.

and for Dr Who: if you quote from a HORT textbook, you need to provide source and page numbers please.

you are basing most of your "science" from Joe Pietri who was a DEA informant/narc. he is therefore a liar and any info taken from him has to be considered a lie too. Just because he has a Facebook page spouting off about 12/1 does not mean he is a reliable source. For all I know, everybody who follows his page or likes it has their info turned over to the DEA. Where I grew up in NJ, snitches ended up in ditches.
 

rkymtnman

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other advantages of 24/0:

ability to run CO2 constantly (remember C3 plants don't use CO2 in dark)

easier to keep constant RH%, room temps

less on/off cycles for ballasts
 

rkymtnman

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Why limit the discussion to only cannabis? I think that we can get to the root of the matter if we open up the discussion to all living matter including starfish and hamsters but not rutabagas.
just a FYI, i run my rutabagas at 3/7/9/5 and win the local 4-H contest every year!
 

makka

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this post was started because member Dr Who wanted a debate on this subject.
let's start with the basics:
photosynthesis

CO2+light>>>O2+sugars which the plant uses as energy for growing

cannabis is a C3 plant which means that it DOES NOT use CO2 during the dark. so no CO2 and no light means no photosynthesis.

so a plant with lights on for 24/0 will photosynthesize at 100% rate.
any less than that and the plant does not photosyntesize for those hours and you "lose" potential growing time. also, if a plant is constantly growing, the internode spacing will be much closer than a plant that does not get light 24/0. we've all seen what a plant with not enough light looks like in the newbie section. somebody using a CFL a foot above the plants and they look like tall spindly things.

and for Dr Who: if you quote from a HORT textbook, you need to provide source and page numbers please.

you are basing most of your "science" from Joe Pietri who was a DEA informant/narc. he is therefore a liar and any info taken from him has to be considered a lie too. Just because he has a Facebook page spouting off about 12/1 does not mean he is a reliable source. For all I know, everybody who follows his page or likes it has their info turned over to the DEA. Where I grew up in NJ, snitches ended up in ditches.
and that answers that then
 

Dr. Who

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this post was started because member Dr Who wanted a debate on this subject.
let's start with the basics:
photosynthesis

CO2+light>>>O2+sugars which the plant uses as energy for growing

cannabis is a C3 plant which means that it DOES NOT use CO2 during the dark. so no CO2 and no light means no photosynthesis.

so a plant with lights on for 24/0 will photosynthesize at 100% rate.
any less than that and the plant does not photosyntesize for those hours and you "lose" potential growing time. also, if a plant is constantly growing, the internode spacing will be much closer than a plant that does not get light 24/0. we've all seen what a plant with not enough light looks like in the newbie section. somebody using a CFL a foot above the plants and they look like tall spindly things.

and for Dr Who: if you quote from a HORT textbook, you need to provide source and page numbers please.

you are basing most of your "science" from Joe Pietri who was a DEA informant/narc. he is therefore a liar and any info taken from him has to be considered a lie too. Just because he has a Facebook page spouting off about 12/1 does not mean he is a reliable source. For all I know, everybody who follows his page or likes it has their info turned over to the DEA. Where I grew up in NJ, snitches ended up in ditches.
Look for debate answers on Monday.......

As far as J.P. goes. One of the best breeders of the modern era (opinion based on the quality results of his work) got popped by the alphabet boys and in turn dropped dime on at least 2 other very, very accomplished breeders. One is a personal friend. Yes, he was AND is an ASS for what he did, BUT, it none the less reduces the accomplishments he made in the breeds he perfected!
It is a SAD LOSS to the growing world 4xSD is gone! WAIT! anybody got a clone? drop me a pm......that clone is PRICELESS!

What ever the reason behind that video (and it is debated). You CAN NOT belittle the accomplishments in his testing of theory. No matter if it be his or of others theory. His work is so respected that it is still printed in High times and Skunk, not to mention his contributions to other magazines around the world.

Sadly, many of us have suffered at the hands of the ignorant right wing gestapo federal agencies. Not to mention the thousands jailed by state and local officials....For the record; I don't condone snitching either!

PS I do not Facebook, never have and never will......not that anyone is looking over our shoulders here? ya think? Phaaa! The Feds know how to read mags just as well as web sites!
 

Fease

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It seems like people who have been doing this a long time subscribe to the thought that 2-4 hours of darkness is a good thing; the reason I don't know. I like the little bit of stretch I get at night with my indicas. They would be to tight for LST without it. I don't like to prune them much.

Yes, a c3 plant take in co2 during the day and takes on oxygen at night. Right? Perhaps that is the benefit. Just respiration really. Anyways.... Carry on experts ;P
 

Dr. Who

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Ah my wife left me to my druthers.....So here's an early retort.

Your argument speaks to LOGIC, not science. One must not use logic to answer science.

A great deal of importance has happened in research investigating photosynthetic response to environmental stress in the 25 years since the last anniversary issue of Plant Physiology. However, from my perspective, the importance of one set of discoveries stands out from the others for its far reaching influence on how we think about the photosynthetic response to a wide range on environmentally imposed limitations. As little as 15 years ago it was generally held that the success of plants in their environment was dictated by strategies that maximized the rate of photosynthesis. Further, maximum photosynthetic capacity was thought to be largely a static characteristic of individual leaves that was established during development. This view has now given way to the recognition that the regulation of photosynthesis in response to the environment is highly dynamic and dominated by a photoprotective process, the non-photosynthetic thermal dissipation of absorbed light (4, 10, 14), which was entirely unknown at the time of Plant Physiology's 50th Anniversary. This brief overview describes what is currently understood about this centrally important photoprotective process and highlights areas of current inquiry that may presage a detailed mechanistic understanding in the near future.

Even though light is the ultimate substrate for photosynthetic energy conversion, it can also harm plants. This toxicity is targeted to the water-splitting photosystem II and leads to damage and degradation of the reaction centre D1-polypeptide. The degradation of this very important protein appears to be a direct consequence of photosystem II chemistry involving highly oxidizing radicals and toxic oxygen species. The frequency of this damage is relatively low under normal conditions but becomes a significant problem for the plant with increasing light intensity, especially when combined with other environmental stress factors. However, the plant survives this photoinhibition through an efficient repair system which involves an autoproteolytic activity of the photosystem II complex, D1-polypeptide synthesis and reassembly of active complexes.
Excerpt from
2001 American Society of Plant Physiologists
When There Is Too Much Light
Donald R. Ort - http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/125/1/29.full

PLEASE take the time to read the whole report from the above link. It has everything you ask for as far as source recognition.

Points to consider on this paper.
1: Too much light makes a plant reduce it's own ability to USE the light available.

2: CO2 absorption is reduced after peak effective light used.

3: To use your simple logic, 24/0 lights on time is not going to result in effective increased plant response.

4: Increased CO2 levels will not effectively increase growth response without effective temperature/humidity manipulation. This can be a variable and not a constant until flowering stage has been reached. Thus, the use of increased CO2 in veg gives only rudimentary results. (There may just have to be more on that later).

Serve has been returned.....Monday time table is now in effect.
 
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