Lack of Potency

rippa

Active Member
Aeroponic setup - 600 HPS Lights - Canna Brand Nuits 1500 ppm for flowering - PH 5.5 - 5.7
Seeds are either white widow or ice seeds from now 4 different overseas suppliers.
Plants have always looked very healthy and strong. The environment and conditions are perfect. They grow like champions during the veg and flower stages. The heads form thick and fast. I add canna PK 13-14 about 3-4 weeks into flowering. I use a 30x Jewelers loup to check trichomes and when about 50% are turning from creamy to amber i then flush for a week with ph adjusted before i harvest. They always seem to lack an abundance of trichlorides, like i have seen in the picture of many white strains. . I dry very slowly in a dark well ventilated area. But the smoke is always a very very poor quality.
First i thought maybe im not growing in the veg stage for long enough, but now im having the same problems with my clones.
Any suggestions is appreciated.
 
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daztj7

Active Member
for the last 2 days leave them in total darkness and will draw out produces lots of tricomes i think that how u spell it
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
Sorry to hear man how is your heat and humidity? How long are you flowering your plants for if you are only going 3-4 weeks you need to double that your plants should be budding anywhere from 6-12 weeks depending on the strain to reach full potency.
 

rippa

Active Member
ill give it a try thanks .. daztj7

Newgrowth.. heat and humidity is within limits. a little on the cooler during the day when my lights are off.. so that in the evenings the lights help keep the temp up.. i add the PK 13-14 after a few weeks but keep growing them until i think they are ready, depending on the trichomes .. usually between 8-11 weeks.. thanks for your reply.

wolfensan.. yeah i thought that myself.. so i ordered from 3 different other sources after browsing forums looking for reputable suppliers... maybe im just very unlucky. They grow like champions.. thick solid healthy.. also head up very thick and healthy.. they do get some resin and smell ok.. but a definite lack of trichomes. I thought maybe since i was growing i had built up an immunity to them, so i gave a few colas out to friends.. they all agree.. smokes up like carpet... pulling my hair out here. Thanks for your reply.
 
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Earl

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YouTube - Nutrient Challenge


Check out this direct nutrient comparison
for growth and thc content.

Side by Side Grow
Comparison Summary:

GroTek................................0.84lbs/light................18.1%THC
General Hydroponics..............1.01lbs/light..................6.8%THC
DutchMaster.........................1.11lbs/light.................14.2%THC
Canna..................................1.30lbs/light.................14.6%THC
SuperNatural........................1.38lbs/light.................12.2%THC
AdvancedNutrients............2.13lbs/light.................21.2%THC


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Earl

Well-Known Member
Here is some info
about some of the nutrient systems,
and additives, that help us grow hydro.

The next time you are in the Hydro store,
you will know more about the pretty bottles
lining the walls.

Plant Growth Hormones

Plant hormone research has come a long way in the last few years.
The natural plant growth regulators (or plant hormones) are gibberellic acid,
ethylene gas, abscisic acid (ABA), 4 auxins, and several cytokinins,
which all have their own specific effects on growth and development in plants.

There is a wide range of products available
that are made of ascophylum nodosum,
the North Alaskan sea kelp,
from which most cytokins are derived.

Growth Max - A seaweed extract made for foliar feeding plants.
An excellent and inexpensive way to give your plants an extra boost.

Nitrozime - very popular- growers swear by the results -
Nitrozime provides cytokinins to help control and regulate germination, root development,
nutrition uptake, plant tissue composition, flowering. seed and fruit set.

B'cuzz - Atami's line of stimulators are formulated from a combination of two kinds of seawwed,
Laminaria digitata and Ascophyllum nodosum.
These solutions help plants handle stress -
3 formulas, one for rooting, one for growth and one for bloom.

Liquid Karma - If you are looking for just one thing to add to nutrient regimen,
Liquid Karma is the one.
It is good for every stage of growth
and will definately increase branching points, fruit and flower sets
and overall yield by as much as 30% .
Liquid Karma Chelates micronutrients through amino and fulvic acids,
and shuttles them into plant cells,
increasing metabolic rates and conserves plant energy.
Full of B-vitamins and other stress relieving components
with large amount of cytokyns derived from ascophylum nodosum north atlantic sea kelp.

SuperNova - SuperNova contains high concentrations of cytokines
extracted from Ascophyllum Nodosum.
Cytokines increase cell division, which promotes vigorous plant
and root growth.
SuperNova also contains growth precursors, vitamins,
and amino acids.
Super Nova is made by general hydroponics to work with Dark Energy .

Humic and Fulvic Acids.

The primary benefit of both humic and fulvic acids
is improved plant growth.
There are three types of humates:
humic acids,
fulvic acids
and humin.
Only humic and fulvic acids,
currently play a role in hydroponics.

Humic Acid
Humic acids change the turbidity of the cell
and in effect swell the cell up with more water,
creating an osmotic imbalance
and promoting the uptake of nutrient salts.
An added bonus is seen in root cells
when micoryzae are looking for their much needed first contact,
because the cell is more swelled up
it is easier for the microzyzzae to attach.

Fossil Fuel - FossilFuel employs high-quality humic acids
to help plants resist environmental stresses,
to improve the plants ability to absorb nutrients and water,
and stimulates plant growth through increased cell division.
It is HIGHLY ABSORBABLE, which is not true of most humates.

Rare Earth - A rich blend of silicon, humates and 72 rare minerals.
Blend with rooting media, top dress,
or add directly to nutrient solution
to develop a protective silicon shield.
Allows for stronger development and heavier fruit.

Diamond Black - Blended with rooting media,
Diamond Black will slowly break down
adding Humates to the root environment.
This is a pure mined material
and meets all organic standards for crop production.
Humates released into the plant's environment
regulate the flow and enhance the transport of plant nutrients

Fulvic Acid
A long with its chelating properties,
fulvic acid is also a key factor in the Kreb cycle,
the plant's respiratory and metabolism system.
Providing this molecule reserves a plant's key energy reserves.
A recent study showed that plants treated with fulvic acid
experienced a 36% increase in produce weight at harvest,
a 36.5% increase plant growth,
and they flowered on average four days ahead of the control plants.
Studies indicate the use of humates in hydroponics
results in bigger plants and bigger veggies and quicker harvests.

Pure Fulvic Acids are small active organic molecules
and are excellent chelators which penetrate through plant surfaces and roots.
The results are healthier and stronger plants,
decreased water stress and improved soil moisture and structure.

Diamond Nectar - Diamond Nectar is a Fulvic Acid extract
from a combination of unique Leonardite sources
providing the highest availability and diversity
of these bioactive pant compounds.
The General Hydroponics research team has assayed over
300 different Leonardite sources around the world
to create a proprietary, pH balanced, fulvic acid
with maximum agronomic benefits.

Liquid Karma - Liquid Karma Chelates micronutrients
through amino and fulvic acids,
and shuttles them into plant cells,
increasing metabolic rates
and conserves plant energy.
Full of B-vitamins and other stress relieving components
with large amount of cytokyns derived from ascophylum nodosum,
north atlantic sea kelp.

Grandma Enggy's Fulvic Acid - From Avanced Nutrients ,
a brand you can trust!



Enzymes

Along with the major plant hormone research,
enzymes have become the recent focus of much attention.
Smaller yet amazingly powerful,
enzymes have a variety of important benefits for the hydro grower.
There are many different enzymes that all have different functions.
The hydroponic growing community is just beginning
to get a hold on what they all do.

There are two types of enzymes that we are most concerned with.
There are those that accelerate sugar/ resin production
and work to create flavor and aroma.
There are others that break down dying and dead plant proteins
into their component parts,
amino acids, lipids and smaller molecules
which can be reabsorbed by the plant.



Banana Manna, contains concentrated organic extracts
of banana, mango, guava and other exotic tropical plants
rich in hormones and vitamins
known to increase essential oil production in plants.

Cannazyme is a high-quality enzyme product.
It consists of more than 15 different kinds of enzymes
to which vitamins and extracts of desert plants are added.
Cannazym speeds up the process of breaking down dead root material
and activates the micro-organisms.
In addition to this, Cannazym facilitates the improved absorption
of nutrients and increases the resistance against pathogenic organisms.

Hygrozyme enzymatic formula prevents the formation of pythium
and algae, speeds up degradation of dead organic matters
and facilitates chemical nutrient assimilation.
It will create healthy white root growth in your plants.
It will not harm beneficial microbes

SensiZym is a super concentrate of over 80 different enzymes,
each having specific functions that enhance plant and root growth.
Part of the Advanced Nutrients line.
Great for soil or hydroponics.

Bud and Bloom boosters

Phosphorous and potassium are the two macro nutrients
directly involved in fruit/flower formation,
structure and overall taste, potency an aroma.

A lot of research has been done on these ever-important nutrients.

Feeding curves have been generated,
allowing growers to apply a more exact diet
to their fruiting flowering plants throughout the bloom phase.

Ionic Boost is a nutrient supplement
designed to be used in the final few weeks before harvest.
Boost allows the grower easy control of the extra Phosphorous and Potassium
that can lead to bumper yields.
Boost is an ideal addition to Ionic nutrient solutions
but can also be used very effectively
with any good quality nutrient solution of the Bloom variety.

Monster Bloom - An azure colored product from Grotek
derives its strength from super phosphates
and buffers, that deliver enhanced harvest results
never achieved before.
Blessed with this blue powder,
plants Increase OIL production!
And produce Extra Large Buds!

Kool Bloom - Designed for use in the second half
of reproductive development,
this concentrated nutrient supplement
increases the production of essential oils and fragrance in flowers.


Advanced Nutrients Big Bud - is Big Bud's plant specific ratios
of Phosphorous, Potassium, Magnesium and Amino Acids.
Big Bud will dramatically increase bud growth,
width, weight and resin production
like no other bloom enhancing product can.

Advanced Nutrients Over Drive - Overdrive is an ultra premium flower booster
with an extremely extensive and very complex array
of phosphorus and potassium sources.
Hormones and catalytic agents are added
in order to pack on extra girth and weight that produce
unparalleled flower and oil production
during the critical last weeks of flowering
when plants show the most sizeable gains.


Silicates


Silicate helps strengthen plant tissue
helping plants flourish in adverse environmental conditions
such as heat, drought, and frost.
For use in container gardens or soilless hydrogardening applications

Pro Silicate - Pro-Silicate toughens the cell walls of your plant
to form a physical barrier against insects and disease.
The major building block for plant cells,
silicone increases resistance to mildews, fungus and insect attacks,
where the stronger cell walls counter predatory probings.
Pro Silicate protects your plants from wilting and droughts
by acting as an insulation against water loss through transpiration
at higher temperatures.
Plants can grow at higher temperatures.
Pro Silicate will also help increase flower count
and prolong bloom life.

Silica Blast - Silicate is a beneficial nutrient supplement
to be used in conjunction with standard nutrient program.
Silica Blast was designed by American Agritech
to be used specifially with their Botanicare Line of products.

Barricade readily available Potassium Slicate from Advanced Nutrients.

Phospholipid technology

Phospholipid agents, are an extremely powerful
group of activators & transporters of Humatic Isolates.

The Phospholipid technologies developed by Dutch Master
can be tailored to suit a wide range of Humatic Isolates
as well as directing those isolates
to activate specific subsystems of plant growth, development or physiology.

Phospholipids create membranes in channel,
so that larger molecules can quickly enter a cell.

Dutch Master Folitech, Folitech Grow, and Folitech Flower
are two unique foliar sprays designed to enhance your plants ability
to support and produce larger numbers of flowers
than would normally be possible.
Folitech is a two stage product with a vegetative and a flowering formulation
which are designed to be used
at the appropriate stage of the plants development.

Dutch Master Penetrator
is uniquely engineered to maintain this stability
whilst allowing full transfer of foliar fertilizer elements
into the plant via the leaf structure.
If the stability or the electrical charge of this membrane
is not correctly maintained for the full duration of the transfer
then only limited amounts of the fertilizer you apply
will actually penetrate past this layer.
By combining the 2 actions
of cuticle permeability & plasma membrane stability,
Penetrator can safely & accurately
deliver all of your foliar applied fertilizer to your plants.
All without the risk of burning & damaging your plants.

Dutch Master Reverse
The Phospholipids used in Dutch Master Reverse
has been shown to stop male flower maturity.
Reverse is a uniquely engineered nutritional foliar spray
that can in most instances, stop hermaphroditic plants,
from exhibiting male traits and flowers.

Dutch Master Reverse has a fast knockdown action
against existing male flowers
as well as prevention of forming due to their unique technology.
Use Reverse when you want continuous flowering.
Once a female flower is pollinated it sets fruit or seed
and the blooming stage of the plant is slowed or ended.

The elimination of male flowers = elimination of seeds!

With Dutch Master Reverse,
you don't have to reduce your nutrient strength substantially
like many other products
or experience the severity of plant droop
that can often occur.

Spray your plants a few days into the flower cycle,
until the leaves are saturated,
then spray once more 10 days later.

You should always use Dutch Master Penetrator with Reverse,
to allow for the full transfer of elements inside the leaves of your plants.


How to use reservoir additives in your nutrient solution

When using additives,
it would be ideal to clean the reservoir every week.

This is the way to keep your plants growing super strong,
and to really keep things healthy and clean.

If you are going to change your reservoir about once a week,
use the following method after flushing.

First add the appropriate additives in the correct dosage.

Second, add nutrients, bringing the nutrient load to the desired level.

Third, pH balance the reservoir.

Don’t add additives again,
until you clean and redo the reservoir.

Follow this program until end,
use a flushing agent for 24 hours,
and RO only for the final 7-14 days.

Most people change their reservoir every 10-14 days,
although this isn’t the absolute best, it works.

If you use this longer, 14 day scheduled method,
then you will want to add,
½ the amount of original additives,
at the end of 7 days.

Using Botanicare Pure Blend Pro

Botanicare Pure Blend Pro is an organic nutrient
with 10-15% pure mineral content.
PBP contains absorbable forms of iron, calcium and phosphorous.
The phosphorous comes from pure rock phosphate.

PureBlend is a one-part nutrient,
with a vegetative, and a bloom formula.

This line requires a calcium magnesium micronutrient boost
and Cal-Mag Plus must be used
at the end of the vegetative period,
and throughout the bloom cycle.
CM+ helps to prevent micronutrient deficiencies.

Liquid Karma was made to be used with the PBP line,
as well as Silica Blast
and HydroGuard,
a bacterial innoculant and fungicide.

It it also recommend
to use one of the enzymatic formulas
listed above.

For those who are concerned about large flowers and fruits,
using Big Bud, Monster Bloom, or Overdrive.
is reccomended

Also Banana Mana
can be used for resin and sugar building.

Clearex is a great flushing agent
and is made to work with the Botanicare Line and all nutrient salts.

PLEASE NOTE: Many hydro growers have begun noticing a problem
with the feeding chart/directions on the PureBlend Pro bottles.
If you follow their directions,
you will find that the strenght of your solution
is way too high.

It is best to monitor the PPM in your solution.

If you don't have a way of monitoring your solution,
we HIGHLY reccomend you use a less
than the directions call for.
(this is generally good advice anyway).

For best results,
keep the pH of your nutrient solution,
between 5.8 – 6.2 for soil, and 5.5-5.8 for hydro.

For Advanced Nutrients User

Advanced Nutrients Sensi Grow and Sensi Bloom
are some of the best nutrients on the hydroponic market.

Advanced Nutrient Connoisseur

If you want amazing yields and high-quality crops, use Connoisseur.
Through its special blend of highest quality ingredients,
Connoisseur Part A gives you control over a wide variety of plant mechanisms.
When used in conjunction with Connoisseur Part B,
this two-part formula can be varied according to your particular needs
and the individual conditions involved.
• Increased number and quality of flowers and fruit
• Contains specific classes of poly amino alcohols
• Earlier flowering and maturation
• Enhanced potency, taste, and aroma
• Enhanced market value of harvests
Start using Connoisseur one week after flowering has been triggered,
mixing it directly into the reservoirs.
Using Connoisseur eliminates the need for any additional Bloom Bosters.

There are many AN additives
and it can be slightly overwhelming to manage,
until you understand their function and just what you need for hydro.

Generally AN suggest you use only RO water,
and keep a ph of 5.6

What makes the AN nutes themselves special,
is that the micro nutrients are individually chelated,
(as opposed to most other mfg, which does batch chelation)

AN nutrients come from premium mineral sources,
and they are available in the 2 part formula.

Always add the supplements before you add nutrients.

These are the supplements I use
in my dwc and aero grows.

SensiZym
B-52
Voodoo Juice (if I feel rich)
Barricade
Fulvic acid
Humic acid


The only non AN product I use
is the DM Penetrator and Reverse.

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NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
I'm not a big fan of lots of hydro additives. I saw that youtube video, its hard to know how scientific they are though. Most commercial growers to swear by advanced nutes though but it might just be good marketing towards our market. I personally prefer Ionic nutes with boost and a little fossil fuel added. Its personal preference and its just what I like to work with. BTW earl do you work for advanced?
 

Mr Green Man

Well-Known Member
So are they really that good Earl.

My last grow was with Canna and It went really well and the weed was strong, But deffintly not quite as strong as it could have been, would AN nutes have made the differance. Just I will be running out soon, so I will be looking for more.
 

Earl

Well-Known Member
I used the Dutch Master for my last grow,
and It was very expensive.

I use AN nutes cause they work for weed.

Sensi grow is the only nute on the market,
designed for a specific plant.
Guess which plant?

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REEFS

Well-Known Member
I used Ionic Grow, bloom, & boost and used Fossil Fuels throughout the entire growing cycle in a bubblier system . And let me tell you that was the best Skunk#1 I have ever had. I do think the quality of the nutes does affect the finished product alot.


































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ColdFlo

Active Member
Earl, you forgot about scorpion juice(grows longer trichs prolly more too) and uvb lamp on this thread. Potency is all about more trichomes what happens in the trichome, genetics, and cure. Cure means 70 degree temps during flower, stored, and cured in the 70s or below. Arjan of Greenhouse says to cure them in a nofrost refrigerator at 4-5C for 3 months. Didn't go into how many times to open jars or whatnot on 420 mag or some forums. Eh let me dig it up http://www.420magazine.com/forums/introduce-yourself/79438-franco-green-house-seed-co.html
 

Mr.Cheese

Member
Its not about the nutes, its about your PH, your ppm (measurement in parts per million of nutes in the water) co2 consumption, temp, humidity, ventilation, bad genetics, your actual water (are you using a reverse osmosis filter, str8 tap water? what kind of water?!)
Which one of the following are you not implementing in your garden? I made a big mistake by not purchasing a ph meter until after my 3rd harvest. Once the ph issue was corrected, i grew beautiful flowers.
It seems to me that 1500 ppm IS EXTREMELY HIGH.
You CAN feed up to 1500 ppm, but you have to get there gradually. When you switch to flower, you want to start them at a ppm that won’t cause note lock which burns your leaves. Maybe 1000 ppm and go up by 50 ppm every other feeding. But to me it seems like the ppms are too high. You can PM me if you’d like id be happy to help with any problems


7 harvest strong
Mr.Cheese
 
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