Does anyone want to receive Spiritual Enlightenment?

eye exaggerate

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Should have stated 'demonstrable' experiences. ;)

E.g. Saying you've been to the astral plane, but not being able to prove it with any information that couldn't have been gathered elsewhere, doesn't count!
...lol - our own existence is a demonstrable experience...plus, you have led's don't you? You know damn well where that idea came from :shock:
 

Beefbisquit

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...lol - our own existence is a demonstrable experience...plus, you have led's don't you? You know damn well where that idea came from :shock:
Yes, it is. It is physically demonstrable to other people. I can take a picture of you, or video and prove that you exist. I could shake your hand, and other people can do the exact same thing, under the exact same conditions; that's to say that shaking your hand is a demonstrable, repeatable, experiment.

Idea for LED's? No, why?
 

mindphuk

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Again, the counter-intuitive is a necessity, especially in Relativity, yes it took someone with Einstein Intuition to break through and find the Intuitives, what is not intuitive must be made intuitive, yes LEARNING is absolutely vital, you can not make sense of things without learning, I am not saying that the rational mind is not necessary. Now that we have found black holes they make a lot of sense don't they, they fulfill a great purpose in the order of things, as Physics progresses they are becoming more and more Intuitive. Say bullshit and hit that ignore button lol!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously bud you're opinions are welcome here, I think I have learned more on this thread then anyone, and maybe I am wrong, but I have a very good understanding of Relativity, and I know damn well that I would not have such a good understanding without Intuition, it is very very simple it really is, and if you do not think so you are way overthinking it, in my opinion.
You're just changing the meaning of intuition from one second to the next. There is no discussing this with you because you have come to a conclusion about what intution actually is, even if it disagrees with the most common used definitions. There may be something you are trying to represent and explain but it is not intuition in the normal sense. Words have meaning, and you are choosing to avoid and/or change those meanings. I am not putting you on ignore, but I am also not spending any more energy trying to explain how what you are saying is still bullshit.
 

tyler.durden

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Could be from watching others, it could be that he went thirsty a few days in a row and decided to risk it a bit more the next time. Maybe he did wait too long, but his 'friend' who also waited too long got eaten instead.

Doesn't really matter; the only way to gain knowledge is from experience, be it your own, or someone else's.
Reminds me of my kid's favorite joke - Two friends are camping in Yellowstone, when suddenly they see a huge grizzly bear running right for them. One guy takes off immediately without putting on his shoes, while the other calmly bends down to put his on. The running friend yells, 'what are you doing? We need to outrun that bear!' The second friend yells back, 'I don't need to outrun the bear, I just need to outrun you!'
 

Heisenberg

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Fractal wrongness is the state of being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. That is, from a distance, a fractally wrong person's worldview is incorrect; and furthermore, if you zoom in on any small part of that person's worldview, that part is just as wrong as the whole worldview. Debating with a person who is fractally wrong leads to infinite regress, as every refutation you make of that person's opinions will lead to a rejoinder, full of half-truths, leaps of poor logic, and outright lies, that requires just as much refutation to debunk as the first one. It is as impossible to convince a fractally wrong person of anything as it is to walk around the edge of the Mandelbrot set in finite time.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness
 

GregS

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Fractal wrongness is the state of being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. That is, from a distance, a fractally wrong person's worldview is incorrect; and furthermore, if you zoom in on any small part of that person's worldview, that part is just as wrong as the whole worldview. Debating with a person who is fractally wrong leads to infinite regress, as every refutation you make of that person's opinions will lead to a rejoinder, full of half-truths, leaps of poor logic, and outright lies, that requires just as much refutation to debunk as the first one. It is as impossible to convince a fractally wrong person of anything as it is to walk around the edge of the Mandelbrot set in finite time.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness
Is consciousness fractal in nature? Chaotic sure, and there are certainly strange attractors. Great stuff. But don't you think that the infinitude of the distance from point to point along the edge of the set is the same as the infinitude of points along a straight line? Despite that, we are able to arrive at point b from point a, unless you can't get there from here. Can it be described or expressed in or with nonlinear differential equations?
 

tyler.durden

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Fractal wrongness is the state of being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. That is, from a distance, a fractally wrong person's worldview is incorrect; and furthermore, if you zoom in on any small part of that person's worldview, that part is just as wrong as the whole worldview. Debating with a person who is fractally wrong leads to infinite regress, as every refutation you make of that person's opinions will lead to a rejoinder, full of half-truths, leaps of poor logic, and outright lies, that requires just as much refutation to debunk as the first one. It is as impossible to convince a fractally wrong person of anything as it is to walk around the edge of the Mandelbrot set in finite time.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness
I can't wait to start using this one: "Dude, you aren't just wrong. You're fractally wrong!"

Is consciousness fractal in nature? Chaotic sure, and there are certainly strange attractors. Great stuff. But don't you think that the infinitude of the distance from point to point along the edge of the set is the same as the infinitude of points along a straight line? Despite that, we are able to arrive at point b from point a, unless you can't get there from here. Can it be described or expressed in or with nonlinear differential equations?
??? I think one of us didn't understand what Heis was getting at...
 

eye exaggerate

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Yes, it is. It is physically demonstrable to other people. I can take a picture of you, or video and prove that you exist. I could shake your hand, and other people can do the exact same thing, under the exact same conditions; that's to say that shaking your hand is a demonstrable, repeatable, experiment.

Idea for LED's? No, why?
...I've read that the idea came from 'aliens'. Sorry man, just joking around.

...sooo, are you saying that you've never shaken hands with anything ethereal?? :)
 

Heisenberg

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https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-intuition-13238

"These definitions are very useful because they remind us that intuition need not refer to some magical process by which answers pop into our minds from thin air or from deep within the unconscious."

"On the contrary: intuitive decisions are often a product of previous intense and/or extensive explicit thinking. Such decisions may appear subjectively fast and effortless because they are made on the basis of recognition."
 

eye exaggerate

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https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-intuition-13238

"These definitions are very useful because they remind us that intuition need not refer to some magical process by which answers pop into our minds from thin air or from deep within the unconscious."

"On the contrary: intuitive decisions are often a product of previous intense and/or extensive explicit thinking. Such decisions may appear subjectively fast and effortless because they are made on the basis of recognition."
...pattern recognition, Heisy? :razz:
 

Zaehet Strife

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I wonder, if those who are so certain of their beliefs, would allow an idea to entertain their minds at least for a second or two if some sort of alien came down and claimed another idea of truth... or would you bludgeon that off as nothing and wrong just as you do with every other idea that conflicts with your own mind... as we have offered you countless times?
 

GregS

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https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-intuition-13238

"These definitions are very useful because they remind us that intuition need not refer to some magical process by which answers pop into our minds from thin air or from deep within the unconscious."

"On the contrary: intuitive decisions are often a product of previous intense and/or extensive explicit thinking. Such decisions may appear subjectively fast and effortless because they are made on the basis of recognition."
...or precognition that is the expectation that springs from prior recognition?
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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I wonder, if those who are so certain of their beliefs, would allow an idea to entertain their minds at least for a second or two if some sort of alien came down and claimed another idea of truth... or would you bludgeon that off as nothing and wrong just as you do with every other idea that conflicts with your own mind... as we have offered you countless times?
Like the belief that its impossible to know if god exists? :-P
 

eye exaggerate

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I wonder, if those who are so certain of their beliefs, would allow an idea to entertain their minds at least for a second or two if some sort of alien came down and claimed another idea of truth... or would you bludgeon that off as nothing and wrong just as you do with every other idea that conflicts with your own mind... as we have offered you countless times?
...maybe part of the problem is that some folks would benefit from seeing that an explanation doesn't provide an answer. The answer is purely subjective and might only provide a sense of direction. It takes a sht load of work to get to the middle of it all...no one can do it for you.
 

Zaehet Strife

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Like the belief that its impossible to know if god exists? :-P
Nah, say aliens came down far more advanced than us, and told you that gods certainty do exist, and that they have found exactly 13 different gods that have an effect on our existence...

Would you believe it, or just shrug it off and keep pretending your ideas are the right ones?
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Nah, say aliens came down far more advanced than us, and told you that gods certainty do exist, and that they have found exactly 13 different gods that have an effect on our existence...

Would you believe it, or just shrug it off and keep pretending your ideas are the right ones?
Besides creating the universe we exist in, I think gods have little to no effect on our existence anyways , unless you see some traditional shaman and drink some ayahuasca, or something of that other worldly nature. I'd be skeptical of the aliens because according to the crazy abductees, a lot of them are not nice lol.

Just trying to make you realize that the belief of it being impossible to know if gods exist is just that, a belief, idea, opinion, nothing more, and Im gunna bug ya about it every time you try to express that belief as absolute truth :twisted:
 
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