To top off or to not top off the res mid week with TDS?

devolv

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I run a recirculating system. My dehumidifier and A/c also recycle water back to my res. my res stays at the same water level constantly, except right after watering. I go in about 3-4 days into the week and add base nutrient back to my res because my TDS has dropped. usually to 300-500ppm's. So I add base and bring the TDS back upto proper levels. Is this necessary? or should I let the res dilute itself out until the end of the week then do a normal res change?
 

hydrohomer

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Change up or wait, don't mix in as you have no way of knowing the NPK ratio remaining in your res. If it really bothers you, dump it.
 

superstoner1

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i just dont like the reusing of the evaporative water. have you ever looked inside an ac or dehummie drain hose after it has been operating for a while? or even worse, the catch pan inside the unit before it gets to the hose? slime. i never top off a res unless it is the last one before harvest, to cut ppm down.
 

devolv

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i just dont like the reusing of the evaporative water. have you ever looked inside an ac or dehummie drain hose after it has been operating for a while? or even worse, the catch pan inside the unit before it gets to the hose? slime. i never top off a res unless it is the last one before harvest, to cut ppm down.
you can avoid all those horrors with proper maintenance. my dehumidifier breaks completely down for cleaning. once a year should suffice. after each op cycle if youre anal.
 

superstoner1

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its not horrors im trying to avoid. its something that could add horrors. why take the chance? slime builds up very fast in these units in a grow environment.
 

devolv

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avoid horrors, adding horrors either way is the same thing. I don't have any problems as I clean my equipment out periodically and its never gross (or near) when ever I clean it out. everything I bought is able to be broken down fairly easily and cleaned thoroughly. my op is 2 hours away and unless I want a 40 or 50 gal res then I need to recycle the water the plants perspirate during the day. as it is I only mix a 15 gal res for my girls.

So from your own experiences when you ran into slime and such was the equipment in question getting standard maintenance and it still slimed up?
 

superstoner1

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any ac system will develope it, unless you are tearing it down every week to clean. i wasnt trying to be a dick or mean or anything other than helpful. i just could not think of putting that back in to a res and plants i spend so much time on. find the sweet spot of ppms in your res and just let the plant drink it down.
 

haole420

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i just dont like the reusing of the evaporative water. have you ever looked inside an ac or dehummie drain hose after it has been operating for a while? or even worse, the catch pan inside the unit before it gets to the hose? slime. i never top off a res unless it is the last one before harvest, to cut ppm down.
gotta agree: anything pulling water out of the air is just going to concentrate airborne dust, mold spores, other pathogens, pollen, pests, etc and then dump them into your res. the very fact that a dehumidifier breaks apart to clean tells you that they are known to be dirt traps. as far as not topping off with plain water, i disagree. plants actually feed faster when ppms are lower. this is a scientific fact. when ppms are high, it slows down the osmolar gradient. a plant will feed faster in 500ppm than it will in 1500ppm. unless you're getting close to zero ec/ppm or seeing signs of deficiency, plain water is fine. have you considered increasing your res size? if you're getting deficiencies between res changes, then yeah, you probably want to add nutes to top-off water. don't worry about not knowing your NPK ratio when you mix old/new batches. theoretically, certain nutrients could build up to toxic levels, but not that quickly as long as you're using a reasonable approach to feeding to begin with. you're going to dump the shit in a few more days anyway. i haven't done a res change in 12 weeks. no toxic buildup or sign of lockout (yet). i top off with plain water and periodically feed based on what i see, not based on an arbitrary schedule on the back of a bottle. consider this example: you mix up 5gal of nutes. a few days later, water level is low, so you mix up another 2gal of nutes exactly the same way, top of the res. how is that different from just mixing up 7gal of nutes and running it all week long (or until you dump)? there is very little difference. topping off with nutes between res changes is fine. so is topping off with plain water.
 

devolv

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any ac system will develope it, unless you are tearing it down every week to clean. i wasnt trying to be a dick or mean or anything other than helpful. i just could not think of putting that back in to a res and plants i spend so much time on. find the sweet spot of ppms in your res and just let the plant drink it down.
I know youre not being a dick. we're talking here. anyways, my a/c is a split system. and I have my airmover for the system sitting in my mom room, separate from my flower, and for me to inspect the coil and drain pan for my system just means removing a couple screws and pulling a panel off. my dehum i'll admit is a bit more involved and can only be done in between ops. but to keep things from growing in there I'll just dump a h2o2 solution over the coils and let it drain/run through the system and drain to waste that flush.
So yes you are right. unless your willing to do the work to have the setup its not a good idea.
 

devolv

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gotta agree: anything pulling water out of the air is just going to concentrate airborne dust, mold spores, other pathogens, pollen, pests, etc and then dump them into your res. the very fact that a dehumidifier breaks apart to clean tells you that they are known to be dirt traps. as far as not topping off with plain water, i disagree. plants actually feed faster when ppms are lower. this is a scientific fact. when ppms are high, it slows down the osmolar gradient. a plant will feed faster in 500ppm than it will in 1500ppm. unless you're getting close to zero ec/ppm or seeing signs of deficiency, plain water is fine. have you considered increasing your res size? if you're getting deficiencies between res changes, then yeah, you probably want to add nutes to top-off water. don't worry about not knowing your NPK ratio when you mix old/new batches. theoretically, certain nutrients could build up to toxic levels, but not that quickly as long as you're using a reasonable approach to feeding to begin with. you're going to dump the shit in a few more days anyway. i haven't done a res change in 12 weeks. no toxic buildup or sign of lockout (yet). i top off with plain water and periodically feed based on what i see, not based on an arbitrary schedule on the back of a bottle. consider this example: you mix up 5gal of nutes. a few days later, water level is low, so you mix up another 2gal of nutes exactly the same way, top of the res. how is that different from just mixing up 7gal of nutes and running it all week long (or until you dump)? there is very little difference. topping off with nutes between res changes is fine. so is topping off with plain water.
really? can I get some links please? that sounds fascinating. i'm always up for a scientific article. and I guess i'm asking is if the juice is worth the squeeze? cause if it is then I would gladly run the larger res and pay for using more nuts and run drain to waste. Can you say it is? will my op be that much better to offset the costs of the res increase? i'm not sure about the whole airborne dust and mold spores and such but your microbial and fungal enviroment should be dealing with crap like that naturally shouldn't it? atleast the microscopic stuff. larger pest will obviously need a regiment of some kind. maybe
 

skunkd0c

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just top up when needed , although try not to be too fussy .. let it drop a point or 2 before you add more food
if in the height of flower then i would add food more often to keep it at a constant 2.0 -2.2

i personally find res changes to be unnecessary if anything it is just a waste of time and food
give it a try :)
 

Cons7

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I am by no means an expert. That being said, i have heard from guys in the AC biz that those things cultivate some NASTY stuff, so i would never use AC run off. Dehumidifiers i have heard are fine so long as they are cleaned regularly. Even after that tho...i can just as easy turn my faucet on and get water i know for sure is clean. As for topping your res, i never add nutes only water for the NPK ratios, change when its low. Nutes really arent that expensive, losing grow time cause ur nutes are messed up costs more. Just my opinion.
 

devolv

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I am by no means an expert. That being said, i have heard from guys in the AC biz that those things cultivate some NASTY stuff, so i would never use AC run off. Dehumidifiers i have heard are fine so long as they are cleaned regularly. Even after that tho...i can just as easy turn my faucet on and get water i know for sure is clean. As for topping your res, i never add nutes only water for the NPK ratios, change when its low. Nutes really arent that expensive, losing grow time cause ur nutes are messed up costs more. Just my opinion.
Thats funny. do you know what the difference is between an A/c and a dehum? I mean the actual working parts? they're pretty much identical. so those "guys in the a/c biz" aren't making any sense. I can clean my A/c coils more easily than I can my dehum. I have to dismantle my dehum. my a/c is just a simple panel and two screws that need pulling. then I can clean the coils as needed. I can even see how dirty they are for cleaning. just saying not all a/c's are going to gunk up or whatever on you. keep your filters clean on everything and you won't really have crap building up in your system. and you can get uber nice hepa blah blah blah for just about anything now-a-days anyhow. also my nutes are descently expensive (heavy 16) and I live 2 hours away from my garden. its really hard to just pop in and top off the res with water.

But I do see what you are saying about the NPK ratios getting out of wack. that might be some of my more minor issues coming through. I'll stop my mid week dosing for this next round and see how it affects the op.

and if I ever have a mystery issue i'll be sure to check and see if my a/c or dehum is the issue. but so far they haven't been.
 

^Slanty

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Change up or wait, don't mix in as you have no way of knowing the NPK ratio remaining in your res. If it really bothers you, dump it.
I would hate to imagine how much nutrients you go through a in a year! That statement is total bull though. I have run NFT, DWC, and now UC, and do not change my reservoir on any sort of set schedule. If it smells good it stays and just gets topped up daily with water and nutes when the PPM levels drop. In my current grow, I usually top up water and feed about twice a week topping up my PPM levels and adjusting the PH. The only time I adjust PH is after a feeding. I am in week 5 of flowering and have changed my system out once the entire grow including veg.(about 2 weeks into flower)
 

superstoner1

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i change 200gal of res's on a religious schedule. i use botanicare pbp and all additives. my nute cost is less than one dollar per ounce of finished bud, including veg and flower.
 

devolv

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i change 200gal of res's on a religious schedule. i use botanicare pbp and all additives. my nute cost is less than one dollar per ounce of finished bud, including veg and flower.
for an 8 week strain it costs me including mid week dosing. about 160$ for a 15 gal res each week. putting in a 200gal res would increase my nuts costs proportionally. a 200 gal res with my nutes would run 1435$. big difference in money spent per cycle. If I was using a different nutrient then, sure, maybe. I like my nut line so i'm not going to be switching soon.
another thing. this whole npk in the res thing. you're assuming that the plants feed on npk at a constant rate. I don't think this is true. I think npk is consumed at independent rates. still just adding base back to it has the potential to cause one of the less consumed compounds to become in excess. thus causing lockout.
 

superstoner1

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i change my res because i run different recipes for 4 different stages. the plants like more and less of certain elements at different stages of veg and flower so i cater to those needs. its not about npk balance its about which one they want more of when they need it.
 

skunkd0c

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hmm, i have kush skunk and haze strains growing, they are all ok with the same EC
i have found some sativa to require a little less food, although this wouldn't make me change the res
i have never found plants to be that fussy to be honest, or maybe i just have them well trained lol

peace :)
 

Krondizzel

New Member
Change up or wait, don't mix in as you have no way of knowing the NPK ratio remaining in your res. If it really bothers you, dump it.
BINGO. That NPK ratio is more important than you would think. I was just adding a dash of this and a dash of that to my res. Big no no.

What I do (I run a recirc system also, which makes it a pain to completely drain your system all at once, i know!!! lol).. is I will pump out 4 gallons, and replace it with 4 gallons of fresh nute solution that is corrected.

I do this usually 1 time per day, and since I have started doing it this way, it has been much better. Just don't add "random dashes" of this and that like I did. Huge rookie mistake on my part
 
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