Why don't we get along with Iran?

[smok3y1]

Thanks for the video Newworldicon,, I found it very interesting.

 

[NoDrama]

There is really only ONE reason why we don't like Iran. They won't sell their oil for US Dollars, they insist on using gold or some other currency.

That is the reason we make up all the nuclear/terrorist/crazy shit. IRan hasn't attacked a country for over 200 years.

The petrodollar is what keeps the US alive.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

There is really only ONE reason why we don't like Iran. They won't sell their oil for US Dollars, they insist on using gold or some other currency.

That is the reason we make up all the nuclear/terrorist/crazy shit. IRan hasn't attacked a country for over 200 years.

The petrodollar is what keeps the US alive.

Amen brother!
Anyone wondering the answer to this question look no further than this video it explains it quite well...
[youtube]HP7L8bw5QF4&feature=g-like[/youtube]

 

[Dr Kynes]

Answer my question, do you think Israel is a zionist controlled state? If not explain why and how?

israel is defined by "zionism" in that the entire nation was built on restoring the lost jewish homeland. your question is leading and presumptive. why not demand i answer "yes or no, did you stop beating your wife?"

Is Palestine not entitled to sovereignty? If so explain why?

they have sovereignty, but they use it to claim they may not be subject to search when entering land controlled by israeli sovereignty, while they smuggle in rockets in crates marked "baby milk"

Which flotilla do you refer to? Be specific so we can discuss it as I fear you are regurgitating what you read in the zionist media. Who decides what is embargoed materials, Israel?

you know which one i mean, but heres a wikipedia for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_Gaza_flotilla_raid i regurgitate nothing. this boatlift was full of stuff that was embargoed for the "occupied teritories" under the articles of war as essential for the security of the occupying force, a force which wears uniforms,, while their opponents are all "civilians" before and after they commit their attacks. you vomit up the phrase "zionist media" with all the venom i would ecxpect from a new world order jew conspiracy nut. im now inb4 "jews did 9/11"

Do you think it is acceptable that Israel boards a flotilla and kills citizens of other countries for their political position in wanting to help Palestinians?

yes. "helping the palestinians" is NOT helping them smuggle in rockets guns explosives detonation triggers or tools for construction of bunkers.

]"radical insurgents using their victims as their proof of their importance" [/B]what sort of a mind thinks that Palestinians are not "important"?? only a zionist thinks like this. Should we rather just decimate them instead so Israel can have a bigger country?

the palestinians are not unimportant, and trying to colour my words with your clumsy crayon is deceptive and deplorable. hamas hezzbollah and the plo need victims to prove that THEY are impoortant so they manufacture tragedy from whole cloth fabricate atrocities, and paint every action in defense of israel as an unprovoked act of terror by the jews. the occupied territories are NOT occupied "so israel can have a bigger country" they aree ocupied so the insurgents, radicals and terrorists who want all jews pushed into the sea have less ability to operate in those areas which are dangerously close to israels core territory. but then you knew that. your just creating strawmen. pretty shaky and unconvincing ones at that.

" Poor Iraqi children" are you seriously trying to drag them into an Israel discussion? Furthermore now knowing that Iraq was a BS excuse to go to war for oil and not WMD's which has been proved beyond doubt, do you honestly sit here and say fuck the innocent children of Iraq? Mere casualties! That single statement alone makes you a pathetic excuse for a human being.

i refer to the tactic of propping up their own victims as the victims of an outside aggressor and evil international sanctions. but then you knew that too. you wish to engage in debate by emotional outrage. too bad i dont give a fuck. your eagerness to defend hospital rootop rocketeers and users of human sheilds makes YOU the deplorable creature,, and in fact one not fit to wear the title Human Being.

"legitimize their plight" you legitimize their plight by talking about their need to fight an encroaching Israel when you said Israel won their land fair and square.

again i refer to their tactics not the truth of the matter. hamas hezzbollah and the PLO need victims to ensure their continued survival as organizations. they need a villain, and without victims a villain is just a loudmouth asshole, like machmoud ahmedinejad, or yourself. and nobody will blow themselves up or sacrifice their children to defeat a loudmouth asshole. but then you know exactly what im talking about. your pretense of ignorance is starting to bear the hallmarks of REAL ignorance.

How much do you really know about N. Korea other than what your western media tells you, I for one am at least realistic about my lack of knowledge considering their secrecy unlike you trying to be informed by intimating they have blow and hookers. The fact is you, I and most of the world knows nothing about them other than what you read in an already tarnished western media. If you won't be honest with me at least be honest with yourself!

read the reports from the few news agencies who actually got into north korea, or read the stories from the escapees, oir the chinese government. apparently you only show interest in deplorable crimes if the perpetrators are jews.

As for the leaders having everything and the commoners having nothing.....we could say the same in western countries right now, Your beloved USA is in the same predicament, most of Europe is the same too. The facade of democracy and capitalism is exactly that, a facade.

a nonsequitor. and a red herring. this is not even worth a response. but i suppose a quick rtound of soviet style propaganda and extermination of some dirty ukrainians would make you happier. comrade stalin approves your message.

I generally don't like to belittle people anywhere but the things you say are just so sickening to read it's unbelievable, either you are a zionist shill or you are indoctrinated so much you think that what you say is acceptable anywhere.

Do you think that your hatred of Palestine would be acceptable anywhere other than a zionist meeting?

Also why no comment on the poisoning of Israeli children by it's own government in the link I provided, you cant expect me to take you seriously when you avoid something like that. Also why not comment on Tarpley's assessment of the wider situation? Don't for a second try to tell me he is not qualified enough to comment seen as he goes to these places unlike you who has probably never set foot in a muslim country....

darn those dirty jews. you read the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", so you know all about their evil plans ehh? nice job numbnuts.

i doubt even uncle buck will be willing to swing in on his vine and rescue you friom your own failure.

cue the music, your moment under the bigtop is done. the clowns gotta move over so the acrobats can set up the high wire.

 

[NoDrama]

Amen brother!
Anyone wondering the answer to this question look no further than this video it explains it quite well...
[youtube]HP7L8bw5QF4&feature=g-like[/youtube]

That is some crazy shit.

 

[newworldicon]

israel is defined by "zionism" in that the entire nation was built on restoring the lost jewish homeland. your question is leading and presumptive. why not demand i answer "yes or no, did you stop beating your wife?"



they have sovereignty, but they use it to claim they may not be subject to search when entering land controlled by israeli sovereignty, while they smuggle in rockets in crates marked "baby milk"



you know which one i mean, but heres a wikipedia for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_Gaza_flotilla_raid i regurgitate nothing. this boatlift was full of stuff that was embargoed for the "occupied teritories" under the articles of war as essential for the security of the occupying force, a force which wears uniforms,, while their opponents are all "civilians" before and after they commit their attacks. you vomit up the phrase "zionist media" with all the venom i would ecxpect from a new world order jew conspiracy nut. im now inb4 "jews did 9/11"



yes. "helping the palestinians" is NOT helping them smuggle in rockets guns explosives detonation triggers or tools for construction of bunkers.



the palestinians are not unimportant, and trying to colour my words with your clumsy crayon is deceptive and deplorable. hamas hezzbollah and the plo need victims to prove that THEY are impoortant so they manufacture tragedy from whole cloth fabricate atrocities, and paint every action in defense of israel as an unprovoked act of terror by the jews. the occupied territories are NOT occupied "so israel can have a bigger country" they aree ocupied so the insurgents, radicals and terrorists who want all jews pushed into the sea have less ability to operate in those areas which are dangerously close to israels core territory. but then you knew that. your just creating strawmen. pretty shaky and unconvincing ones at that.



i refer to the tactic of propping up their own victims as the victims of an outside aggressor and evil international sanctions. but then you knew that too. you wish to engage in debate by emotional outrage. too bad i dont give a fuck. your eagerness to defend hospital rootop rocketeers and users of human sheilds makes YOU the deplorable creature,, and in fact one not fit to wear the title Human Being.



again i refer to their tactics not the truth of the matter. hamas hezzbollah and the PLO need victims to ensure their continued survival as organizations. they need a villain, and without victims a villain is just a loudmouth asshole, like machmoud ahmedinejad, or yourself. and nobody will blow themselves up or sacrifice their children to defeat a loudmouth asshole. but then you know exactly what im talking about. your pretense of ignorance is starting to bear the hallmarks of REAL ignorance.



read the reports from the few news agencies who actually got into north korea, or read the stories from the escapees, oir the chinese government. apparently you only show interest in deplorable crimes if the perpetrators are jews.



a nonsequitor. and a red herring. this is not even worth a response. but i suppose a quick rtound of soviet style propaganda and extermination of some dirty ukrainians would make you happier. comrade stalin approves your message.



darn those dirty jews. you read the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", so you know all about their evil plans ehh? nice job numbnuts.

i doubt even uncle buck will be willing to swing in on his vine and rescue you friom your own failure.

cue the music, your moment under the bigtop is done. the clowns gotta move over so the acrobats can set up the high wire.

Unfortunately the forum logged me out before I could fire off my lengthy response and lost what I typed, you arent worth it to re type what I responded with however I will say what I closed with.....

Do you notice that people reading this thread are appreciative of the links I provide, it speaks volumes about what what they think as opposed to what you think. People see you for exactly what you are, a Zionist supporting piggie jew. You are a shill here to try and sway what others think of Israel but lets be honest, they know better, the world knows better, your link to Wikipedia on the flotilla shows how a couple dozen nations condemned the actions of Israel, they know better.

You fail in your mission to convince people Israel is good and righteous, you fail to convince people that your actions against the Palestinians are righteous or excusable, in fact the only people who are convinced Israel's actions are plausible are Zionist pigs, some Jews and some Jewish Americans. You stand alone, the rest of the world sees you for what you really are, PIGS.

This is why you have such a loud voice in the Jewish Zionist controlled piggie media, you have to have such a loud voice but you are like David who cried wolf too many times, the village is wise to you now, and you hate it, thus you shout louder as a desperate attempt to convince the world you are righteous.

Your lies are starting to fall apart and catch up to you and you are desperate to hide it. Everyone here knows it and everyone around the world knows it. Your days are numbered pig Zionist scum.

PS. The holocaust was and is a Zionist piggie lie and every day your precious mainstream media loses it's footing it becomes more apparent of this, care to debate me on this subject?

PPS. It was the Bolshevik Zionist piggie jews who created communism you moron.

Cue the music baby....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECv29Mk2zT0

 

[newworldicon]

Thanks for the video Newworldicon,, I found it very interesting.

You are welcome, I encourage everyone to follow Webster Tarpley's work as he is one of the very few people in the world who actually goes to countries like Syria, Iran, Afghanistan etc and researches thoroughly before writing about them. Most mainstream media uses second or third hand information and then calls it journalism.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Unfortunately the forum logged me out before I could fire off my lengthy response and lost what I typed, you arent worth it to re type what I responded with however I will say what I closed with.....

Do you notice that people reading this thread are appreciative of the links I provide, it speaks volumes about what what they think as opposed to what you think. People see you for exactly what you are, a Zionist supporting piggie jew. You are a shill here to try and sway what others think of Israel but lets be honest, they know better, the world knows better, your link to Wikipedia on the flotilla shows how a couple dozen nations condemned the actions of Israel, they know better.

You fail in your mission to convince people Israel is good and righteous, you fail to convince people that your actions against the Palestinians are righteous or excusable, in fact the only people who are convinced Israel's actions are plausible are Zionist pigs, some Jews and some Jewish Americans. You stand alone, the rest of the world sees you for what you really are, PIGS.

This is why you have such a loud voice in the Jewish Zionist controlled piggie media, you have to have such a loud voice but you are like David who cried wolf too many times, the village is wise to you now, and you hate it, thus you shout louder as a desperate attempt to convince the world you are righteous.

Your lies are starting to fall apart and catch up to you and you are desperate to hide it. Everyone here knows it and everyone around the world knows it. Your days are numbered pig Zionist scum.

PS. The holocaust was and is a Zionist piggie lie and every day your precious mainstream media loses it's footing it becomes more apparent of this, care to debate me on this subject?

PPS. It was the Bolshevik Zionist piggie jews who created communism you moron.

Cue the music baby....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECv29Mk2zT0

i am now a jew. i better write that down lest i forget while im cooking my morning bacon.

the accolades of smok3y1 are now consensus, and consensus now determines the truth from falsehood.

holocaust denial? really, thats how you want to roll?

communism is now a JEWISH plot? man they got their fingers in everything!

fyi zionism is not exclusively jewish, and everyone who disagrees with you does not become one of the chosen people by your decree.

before you went all mein kamph up in this motherfucker i was willing to argue with you like i would any fool who believes something ridiculous. but i dont talk to fascists.

drown in feces.

 

[althor]

Unfortunately the forum logged me out before I could fire off my lengthy response and lost what I typed, you arent worth it to re type what I responded with however I will say what I closed with.....

Do you notice that people reading this thread are appreciative of the links I provide, it speaks volumes about what what they think as opposed to what you think. People see you for exactly what you are, a Zionist supporting piggie jew. You are a shill here to try and sway what others think of Israel but lets be honest, they know better, the world knows better, your link to Wikipedia on the flotilla shows how a couple dozen nations condemned the actions of Israel, they know better.

You fail in your mission to convince people Israel is good and righteous, you fail to convince people that your actions against the Palestinians are righteous or excusable, in fact the only people who are convinced Israel's actions are plausible are Zionist pigs, some Jews and some Jewish Americans. You stand alone, the rest of the world sees you for what you really are, PIGS.

This is why you have such a loud voice in the Jewish Zionist controlled piggie media, you have to have such a loud voice but you are like David who cried wolf too many times, the village is wise to you now, and you hate it, thus you shout louder as a desperate attempt to convince the world you are righteous.

Your lies are starting to fall apart and catch up to you and you are desperate to hide it. Everyone here knows it and everyone around the world knows it. Your days are numbered pig Zionist scum.

PS. The holocaust was and is a Zionist piggie lie and every day your precious mainstream media loses it's footing it becomes more apparent of this, care to debate me on this subject?

PPS. It was the Bolshevik Zionist piggie jews who created communism you moron.

Cue the music baby....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECv29Mk2zT0

Wow, you are actually one of those people who deny the holocaust happened?
Uhm. Ok....


And when did we go to war because of WMD?

Let me guess, you were 10 years old or so when we went to war in Iraq so you really werent aware of what was happening?

Maybe you should go read a real, true time-line leading up to attacking Iraq.

Things like kicking out the UNITED NATIONS WEAPONS INSPECTORS.
Using RADAR they were denied.
Flying in the no-fly zone..

After months of repeated warnings....

 

[Dr Kynes]

Wow, you are actually one of those people who deny the holocaust happened?
Uhm. Ok....


And when did we go to war because of WMD?

Let me guess, you were 10 years old or so when we went to war in Iraq so you really werent aware of what was happening?

Maybe you should go read a real, true time-line leading up to attacking Iraq.

Things like kicking out the UNITED NATIONS WEAPONS INSPECTORS.
Using RADAR they were denied.
Flying in the no-fly zone..

After months of repeated warnings....

arguing with fascists only gives them validation.

let him confidently goosestep his way into obscurity.

 

[newworldicon]

i am now a jew. i better write that down lest i forget while im cooking my morning bacon.

the accolades of smok3y1 are now consensus, and consensus now determines the truth from falsehood.

holocaust denial? really, thats how you want to roll?

communism is now a JEWISH plot? man they got their fingers in everything!

fyi zionism is not exclusively jewish, and everyone who disagrees with you does not become one of the chosen people by your decree.

before you went all mein kamph up in this motherfucker i was willing to argue with you like i would any fool who believes something ridiculous. but i dont talk to fascists.

drown in feces.

The only true thing you write is that anyone can be a Zionist, I am well aware of that due to the fact that Zionism is a political ideological movement and not reduced to a religion or a nation. Accolades from smokey are one thing, but to deny the millions of people who see Israel for what they are is another thing, explain how so many people around the world come to same conclusions before dismissing the fact. But you know that you can't.

Enjoy your bacon buttie buddy.

 

[newworldicon]

Wow, you are actually one of those people who deny the holocaust happened?
Uhm. Ok....


And when did we go to war because of WMD?

Let me guess, you were 10 years old or so when we went to war in Iraq so you really werent aware of what was happening?

Maybe you should go read a real, true time-line leading up to attacking Iraq.

Things like kicking out the UNITED NATIONS WEAPONS INSPECTORS.
Using RADAR they were denied.
Flying in the no-fly zone..

After months of repeated warnings....

Well unless you have been under a rock all this time what was all the vitriol from Bush and his band of buddies as well as Blair about regarding the war in Iraq, it was all about the lies that are WMD's are the reason you had to oust Saddam.....evidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74aStyP-dL0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JUYKPDs1b8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4RZO8y-R9k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKrg-WUmD5Y

The time line leading up to Iraq is important, it shows that the CIA had placed Saddam in power to oppose Iran and do it's bidding....http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2849.htm he was in fact a CIA asset, anybody who studies this will know that.

I was in my thirties when Iraq happened by the way.

The holocaust was a lie perpetrated to justify Israels existence. As an example if you bother to read or look up any of David Irvings work you will see this, however this is not the only evidence of the lie. David Irving is one of the very few people who has had the opportunity to study the official records as well as the only human alive to actually interview the remaining surviving inner core of Hitlers command, no other person has done that. Every book ever written to perpetuate the holocaust lie was taken from others who wrote about the holocaust for the sake of the lie. Copying one persons work is plagiarism but copying 2 peoples work is history, go figure!!

Let me offer evidence of this: According to the Jews it was the Americans who liberated Auschwitz when we know it was the Russians, we also know that the Russians 3 years later broke down the walls of the crematorium I to make a single large room, they cut holes in the ceiling to create the so called ports to throw the zyklon B down into, they built the chimney that was supposed to be part of the crematorium yet it is not even connected to the ovens, this was all admitted in the nineties, I suggest you look this up before dismissing it. The polish government was forced to put on the signs to the crematorium that these were merely representative of what a crematorium would look like if it were in fact a crematorium. I have actually been to all of the camps in Poland as I have a Polish GF. Her Grandmother lived through the war and I have had many conversations with her about this. She was sent to a Russian prison camp after the war and has said implicitly that the Russians were the real dogs in the war.

Have a look at the Shoah foundations over 50 000 video interviews of the survivors of the Auschwitz labour camps and you will see that many say they had a pool, soccer teams and a league, camp money and a kiosk, a library as well as a band, dentist, creche' for children amongst other things. This is fully documented and all you have to do is look it up. The 5 stories that were used in the last days made by Speilberg were shown conclusively to be frauds, why use them without checking the facts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tHB8tD34s

Watch this for a smidgen of the evidence for the holocaust lie.

Before dismissing something you should investigate it, you may well be shocked.

 

[newworldicon]

I'd like to add that there is till this day zero evidence of the gassing of jews in document form, no nazi paperwork ever mentioned this and before you suggestively may say the burnt the evidence, to support this the British had built a computer to crack the Germans communications, they listened to every sensitive word spoken or written by the German command before the Germans supposedly started gassing jews, you would think logically that then the British would have evidence of talk, communications etc. of the gassing but no nothing.

Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing to overcome.

 

[althor]

Yeah man you are way far out on a limb that is breaking.
Good luck with your crazy conspiracy theories.

 

[newworldicon]

Yeah man you are way far out on a limb that is breaking.
Good luck with your crazy conspiracy theories.

With that statement I assume you will not bother to investigate what I have spoken about or witnessed personally, I think you realize you are out of your depth and comfort zone as well as lack of knowledge.

To add to that my GF's brother is the manager of the Gdansk office of official records, together we have uncovered official documentation that shows Polish Government complicity in covering up the Holocaust lie amongst other things. The sort of information that can get you into plenty trouble in Poland with the authorities, but hey I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist hey??

F**king amateur!!

 

[NLXSK1]

With that statement I assume you will not bother to investigate what I have spoken about or witnessed personally, I think you realize you are out of your depth and comfort zone as well as lack of knowledge.

To add to that my GF's brother is the manager of the Gdansk office of official records, together we have uncovered official documentation that shows Polish Government complicity in covering up the Holocaust lie amongst other things. The sort of information that can get you into plenty trouble in Poland with the authorities, but hey I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist hey??

F**king amateur!!

A lot of polish people went into those camps and never came out.

Nazi's must have killed them with kindness...

Troll...

 

[newworldicon]

A lot of polish people went into those camps and never came out.

Nazi's must have killed them with kindness...

Troll...

No shit shirlock, in war there are always casualties, by the way the Russians killed more Polish people than the Nazis fuckwit. By the way to educate you...saying the holocaust was lie implies that there were no Jews gassed by the Nazi's, NOT denying that people did not die, BIG DIFFERENCE you fucking moron. I suggest when you smoke weed you actually read things properly instead of thinking on auto pilot.

 

[NLXSK1]

No shit shirlock, in war there are always casualties, by the way the Russians killed more Polish people than the Nazis fuckwit. By the way to educate you...saying the holocaust was lie implies that there were no Jews gassed by the Nazi's, NOT denying that people did not die, BIG DIFFERENCE you fucking moron. I suggest when you smoke weed you actually read things properly instead of thinking on auto pilot.

You still have failed to explain how millions of people died in Nazi concentration camps... Was it all by natural causes?

I saw the pictures of the horrors from when the US troops reached those camps... Starvation, death and piles of bodies were what met them. Mass graves, etc.

And you call me a moron... LOL!

 

[Dr Kynes]

You still have failed to explain how millions of people died in Nazi concentration camps... Was it all by natural causes?

I saw the pictures of the horrors from when the US troops reached those camps... Starvation, death and piles of bodies were what met them. Mass graves, etc.

And you call me a moron... LOL!

arguing with a fascist only gives him the soapbox he craves, but what do i know? im a jew now.


move over Bucky, theres a new Kike in town! Oy Gevault!

 

[smok3y1]

You are welcome, I encourage everyone to follow Webster Tarpley's work as he is one of the very few people in the world who actually goes to countries like Syria, Iran, Afghanistan etc and researches thoroughly before writing about them. Most mainstream media uses second or third hand information and then calls it journalism.

I've seen him around but only watched the odd 5 min clip but after you posted that clip I watched a few 1 hour+ interviews and I am very impressed. You can tell he knows what he is talking about and has done a significant amount of research. He could very well be one of my top lecturers from what I've seen so far. And just ignore Kynes he still thinks Saddam had WMD and Ahmedinejad said he wants to wipe Israel off the map. You can't be more brainwashed then that.