President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program “Begun Under the Previous Adm

OGEvilgenius

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The only reason this was ever stopped (and it probably wasn't even really) is because someone found out about it and it all became public. They're no different, meanwhile you have the tweedle dums of the world (we'll call them Democrats for the sake of the discussion) and tweedle dees (we'll call this group Republicans voting for Romney) fighting amongst each other in an attempt to deflect blame so they can lie to themselves about real change coming (for the better!) if their guy gets elected.

Have fun with it. Meanwhile the folks with a moral compass and a brain on their shoulders will not be voting for either party next election.
 

newatit2010

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What's so funny is O said holder stopped it. When the stupid fucker said he didn't know anything about it.
These fucking idiots got no idea what the fuck is going on in the administration.
 

ChesusRice

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The only reason this was ever stopped (and it probably wasn't even really) is because someone found out about it and it all became public. They're no different, meanwhile you have the tweedle dums of the world (we'll call them Democrats for the sake of the discussion) and tweedle dees (we'll call this group Republicans voting for Romney) fighting amongst each other in an attempt to deflect blame so they can lie to themselves about real change coming (for the better!) if their guy gets elected.

Have fun with it. Meanwhile the folks with a moral compass and a brain on their shoulders will not be voting for either party next election.
it stopped before any US agent was shot
 

NLXSK1

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If Obama was not President

How many would of been killed?
Well, since the gun walking program didnt start until he was president I would say 0 people would have been killed with the thousands of guns Eric Holder was responsible for allowing to cross the border either by ignorance or malice.
 

abandonconflict

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And

continued

under

Obama's.

35,000 have been killed in Mexico in the last 4 years. I think Mexico would really like to thank Obama for ALL his help-not.
Obama didn't know moron, read the news, read the report from the office of inspector general, there was a massive cover up.
 

abandonconflict

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A massive cover up! Wait a minute, I thought the investigation into Fast & Furious was a witch hunt by the right?
Leave the thinking to the capable.

If you want answers, the documents concealed by Obama's invocation of executive privilege are now available through the office of the inspector general. If you are unsatisfied with his findings, that Eric Holder was unaware of Fast and Furious, lol, write a letter to Issa.
 

NLXSK1

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Leave the thinking to the capable.

If you want answers, the documents concealed by Obama's invocation of executive privilege are now available through the office of the inspector general. If you are unsatisfied with his findings, that Eric Holder was unaware of Fast and Furious, lol, write a letter to Issa.
Let me explain this to you...

The inspector general is an employee of Eric Holder.

The documents that congress requested and were blocked by both the justice department and executive presidential order still have not been turned over to Congress.

So, the justice department investigated itself...

So much for transparency.
 

abandonconflict

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Let me explain this to you...

The inspector general is an employee of Eric Holder.

The documents that congress requested and were blocked by both the justice department and executive presidential order still have not been turned over to Congress.

So, the justice department investigated itself...

So much for transparency.
Well, why doesn't Issa reopen the investigation now the the documents withheld by executive privilege are out?
 

Dr Kynes

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The ATF began Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006. Project Gunrunner is also part of the Department of Justice’s broader Southwest Border Initiative, which seeks to reduce cross-border drug and firearms trafficking and the high level of violence associated with these activities on both sides of the border.[SUP][4][/SUP]
ATF had determined that the Mexican cartels had become the leading gun trafficking organizations operating in the southwest U.S. and is working in collaboration with other agencies and the Government of Mexico to expand the eTrace firearm tracing software system.[SUP][5][/SUP] eTrace provides web based access to ATF’s Firearms Tracing System to allow law enforcement both domestically and internationally the ability to trace firearms encountered in connection with a criminal investigation to the first recorded purchaser[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] (who may have innocently sold the gun years ago). eTrace allows law enforcement to access their trace results directly (name and address of first purchaser) and offers the ability to generate statistical reports to analyze their trace data to estimate firearms trafficking trends or patterns.
ATF announced a goal to deploy eTrace software to all thirty-one states within the Republic of Mexico. As part of eTrace expansion, ATF continues to provide training to Mexican and Central American countries to ensure that the technology is utilized to a greater extent.[SUP][5][/SUP] Colombia and Mexico were provided with their own in-country tracing centers with full access to ATF firearm registration records. In Colombia, a joint ATF-CNP Center for Anti-Explosives Information and Firearms Tracing (CIARA) opened on December 6, 2006.[SUP][9][/SUP] In Mexico, The National Center for Information, Analysis and Planning in order to Fight Crime (CENAPI) was established in 2003. ATF states these are models for planned future tracing centers throughout Central and South America and the Caribbean Basin.[SUP][10][/SUP] In December, 2009, ATF announced deployment of a Spanish version of eTrace to Mexico, Guatemala and Costa Rica. A planned second phase will release the software to all Spanish-speaking countries with agreements with ATF. In June 2011 Congress opened an investigation into Project Gunrunner against the ATF, as some ATF agents have come forward stating that top heads in ATF and the Department of Justice instructed the agents to encourage gun stores in the U.S. to sell assault-style weapons to Mexican firearm traffickers.
In 2009, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009[SUP][11][/SUP] provided $40 million to state and local law enforcement agencies. This money was primarily slated for competitive grants to provide assistance and equipment to local law enforcement along the southern border; and, in high-intensity drug trafficking areas, to combat criminal narcotics activity stemming from the southern border. $10 million of the money was to be transferred to the BATF for Project Gunrunner to hire personnel and open facilities in 6 new locations. The use of "stimulus" money to fund Project Gunrunner is controversial, given the ATF Phoenix Field Division's reported initiative of allowing known criminals to purchase guns in an effort to gain intelligence on the cartels (Operation Fast and Furious).

Taken from Wikipedia.

::sigh:: stupid on top of stupid.

Etrace is a serial number tracking system that allows cops to examine the transaction (sale) history of a firearm when it is siezed in connection with a crime. it has nothing to do with "Wide Receiver" or "Fast n Furious" save that it is the serial number databank and transaction history for US manufactured or sold firearms (the "really it's not gun registration" gun registration program) .

"Operation Wide Receiver" was a short lived pilot program to insert guns with tracking devices (GPS) in them into the illegal black market to track the movements of guns through south and central america, with the ASSISTANCE AND INPUT OF MEXICO! the pilot program was abandoned when it proved to be unworkable. less than 20 guns, with GPS trackers, WITH mexico's consent. note those facts.

"Fast 'n' Furious" was a wholesale program of gun running with no input or consent from mexico using "stimulus money" as seed capital for a massive gun smuggling operation with NO GPS TRACKERS, NO MEXICAN CONSENT, AND NO LIMITS ON THE NUMBER OF GUNS. "Fast 'n' Furious" was a simple money making proposition for somebody. somebody in the DOJ sold a lot of guns, and walked away with a shitload of cash from this "operation" which had no law enforcement value.
 

abandonconflict

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Etrace is a serial number tracking system that allows cops to examine the transaction (sale) history of a firearm when it is siezed in connection with a crime.

"Operation Wide Receiver" was a short lived pilot program to insert guns with tracking devices (GPS) in them into the illegal black market to track the movements of guns through south and central america, with the ASSISTANCE AND INPUT OF MEXICO! the pilot program was abandoned when it proved to be unworkable. less than 20 guns, with GPS trackers, WITH mexico's consent. note those facts.

"Fast 'n' Furious" was a wholesale program of gun running with no input or consent from mexico using "stimulus money" as seed capital for a massive gun smuggling operation with NO GPS TRACKERS, NO MEXICAN CONSENT, AND NO LIMITS ON THE NUMBER OF GUNS. "Fast 'n' Furious" was a simple money making proposition for somebody. somebody in the DOJ sold a lot of guns, and walked away with a shitload of cash from this "operation" which had no law enforcement value.
The administration wasn't aware of Fast and Furious.
 

Dr Kynes

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The administration wasn't aware of Fast and Furious.
and if i am unaware that my cousin is manufacturing meth in my basement, while i give him the money for the chemicals and the equipment, provide his facility space in my house, and give him a stipend to allow him to continue his experiments, can i expect the DEA to accept my claims of ignorance as to what is happening under my own roof?

holder has 3 choices:

following Barry's orders

gave the orders himself

incompetent boob.

pick one.
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
and if i am unaware that my cousin is manufacturing meth in my basement, while i give him the money for the chemicals and the equipment, provide his facility space in my house, and give him a stipend to allow him to continue his experiments, can i expect the DEA to accept my claims of ignorance as to what is happening under my own roof?

holder has 3 choices:

following Barry's orders

gave the orders himself

incompetent boob.

pick one.
by the way, there was a massive cover up intended to keep Eric Holder from knowing about Fast and Furious
 
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