do my leaves look ok ?

[Slipon]

damn I need a few bongheads and a big cup of coffee now ..

did end up flushing them boath ... a it was easy enough/space enough .. but damn hard and hot work ...

good looking one had a lot of spare space as the soil have sunk a bit it seems .. so gave it a littel .. just a littel (8 handfulls) around the corners and side and some more lega nuts .. atlest the littel soil can provide me with some Cal/Mg if they need .. but my nutriens do have it in em ?

did use about 3-3½ gallon on each .... runnoff in total was like 3-4 gallon .. so I reccon they keep around 1½ gallon water each in ther pots now ..

also PH of the runn off was a bit low (5-5,5) and you remember I made a soil test yesterday .. and it was like 6-7 (6,8 is my best guess)
so I must have had a lot of salt in ther .. schould be like ½-1 lower then the water you put in .. so 5,5-6 ..

lets see now .. I keep giving them water for a few days before I begin to add nuts agin unless sumthing els happens ..

 

[Slipon]

a few pics before I flush them ..




them is the worst looking .. ll on the "bad" plant .. think it is nut lockout or atlest to many nuts/salt in the dirt ..
made a flush so lets see in a few days .. schould I just continue to use clean water with just the flowering PH.

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

Use nutes your next watering though. They'll need it. You just washed out everything with that flush, so they'll be hungry. Don't forget, they might not perk up, they might stay like that...so just as long as they don't get worse. If they get worse you'll probably want to replant. But if it comes to that I'll walk you through it with pics even, so that it's super easy and you won't mess them up.

 

[Slipon]

hmmm ok .. but I dont like to get 9 gallon pots . can you wash some of the old dirt off along the side and bottom and just give it new to sit in ?

and realy .. nuts next watering ? your sure I flush evrything out ? I suspect thers enough still for it to get some next watering .. and then start of light ?

but as long as they dont get wors (fingers cross) and new grow might look better (I hope) I wont have to worry ?

also .. 2 weeks done in flowering ..schouldnt grow much more in hight/roots I belive ?

is`t ther anything you can do to help em in ther 7 gallon dirt they have now ?

 

[JASON79]

they look over watered to me
let the soil dry out a bit before you water again , check the pot is light before you water
if you are under feeding them as you can tell from the lower fan leaves, they will be the first to go yellow/brown at the bottom of the plant

 

[Slipon]

hmm over waterd .. have been thinking about it ..

case is .. I waterd them evry seccon day .. but wast`t enough .. lookd dropy and some bottom leaves dryd out and tips of some leaves aswell ..

so I begon to water evry day .. seems like they dont like that ?

I let em have a day or two now after flushing to dry out .. and then continue as normal (nuts and all )

but tell me ..

if watering evry day is to much .. and evry seccon is to littel .. what to do then ? as WitchDocter suggest ? water .. then give em a littel more 6 hrs or so later .. then skip a day and do it agin .. so top soil dont dry out to much right away ..

thing is that Im running 82-84F and a 600W HPS .. and they do grow fast .. keep em 18-20 inchs away .. but like evry day they are like 16 !
so have to move em down evry day .. last 2 weeks (12/12) they must have grown a foot or so ! crazy .. but thing is they are hot .. humidity also raise from 40% to 45-50% last week or so ..

might help them keep moist ?

 

[JASON79]

hi slipon

i would leave it for a couple of days and then water
when the soil pulls away from the sides of the pots you have left it to long
but you need to let the soil dry out a bit between watering or it will stress your plant out
when the pots feels light when you try to pick it up you know its time to water
feel the weight of the pot after you water and before you water to know when its time
good luck

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

Well, technically you don't have to buy pots at all. If you actually end up having to replant you can just use a milk crate with a plastic bag or something. Let's see how the flushed helped first.

And yea, you definitely need to give her nutes. You don't have any soil life, so your plant depends on those nutes now in the next feeding. You can feed light if you're worried, but go full strength probably after that.

The roots don't grow much once it starts flowering, but they do grow a little. If salt-buildup was the issue and you solved it, you should be able to keep them in the pots their in and just flush every two weeks.

 

[Slipon]

yea I guess the problem was ..

that it came as a surprize to me how much water they use under a HPS in flowering .. compaird to veg under T5HO

and then I over did it and did add nuts to evry watering ..

now I flush I plan to leave em alone and see if they can find ther way back ..

allready lookd good this morning before lights out (did still have them small curl leaves .. but all new/top leaves is helthy pointing upwards ..


Ill see if I can get it corectet ... in boath on nuts and water .. guess evry seccon day is ok to water .. even if they get a littel bit dropy at then end .. better then ower watering I surpose .. and now them 2 fist weeks are done I guess they might use a bit less water ?

lets see .. I take a few pics in 3 hrs when lights get on ..

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

Don't let them get dry enough that the leaves droop at all though. Go by the weight of the pot. Remember what it feels like when it's just about dry. You're gonna want to check on them twice a day if you can, to make sure they don't dry out too much.

Good to hear the new growth is looking better already

 

[Slipon]

so here is a few pics .. day 61 ... 16 days or so in to flowering ..



look great as usealy .. leaves pointing upwards and is flat or slightly turnd up

did spred em out a bit .. 3th week in flowering .. schould not stretch so much now I guess ?

so now most bud sites get light .. and look good .. still have them small curl leaves at some small bud sites .. specaily the "not so good looking" plant..

but have`t become wors .. only better maybe and new growth look helthy .. tho still a bit light .. I know new grow is a bit light green .. but this is a bit to much I belive .. a bit more and they would begin to yellow I guess ?

dunno if it is lack of N. ????

but I guess its to late now ? as Im so fare in to flowering ? I will how ever add the N/micro as usealy .. just more P and K (1/2)

hope I dont have to repot .. cant realy do it before after pay check .. 2 weeks ... dont have a extra 50-100$ to use on hugh pots and lots of soil ..
by then I maybe have 4-5 weeks left ?



as you can see them small bud site leaves is still the same .. but new look better ..
and plants seems helthy .. tho a bit light couler ..

this is a bottom leave .. I get one evry/seccon day .. if I leav em on they yellow completly and dry out and dies ..



what can this be a sign of ? is it normal in flowering ?

 

[JASON79]

your plant need some Epson salts ( 1 teaspoon every 10ltrs)in you next water
the plant needs some of this when you first go into flower

and i use grow nutes (n) up to 3 weeks before i chop
as the top part of the plant fills out it can block out the light to the lower fan leaves and so the plant gets rid of them
but if light is getting to the fan leaves and they are still turning yellow you need some or more grow nutes

 

[Slipon]

ok .. well I guess it is light .. or lack of light to the lower growth .. it is like 3-4 feet away and underneed lots of big fan leaves .. so next to no light get down ther .. tho it have begone to shoot larges side/bud shoot up from belowe ..

but I continue with the nuts .. have been low most grow .. so maybe they just need some food ..

Epson salts .. hmmm what is it and what do it do (sorry Ia ma nub .. tho will look it up now)
dont my nuts have evrything in em ? or can that save me from repotting ?

sorry about all them questions .. just like to solve it ..

 

[JASON79]

ok i want to help you grow lots of bud
so keep asking and i will help you

n p k is the nutes most growers talk about but there's a lot more than that

my tap water is high in cal and low in mag
so i have to bye Epson salts from a chemist
and use 1 teaspoon per 10ltrs once a week
super thrive as this help any trace elements needed

if your plant is root bound your main stem will turn purple (stress)
and if you give your plant the nutes she needs it does not matter what you grow her in
what does coco have in it ? and you can get big yeild in that

the main things you need to think about is not to over-water, keep the temp/humidity good at canopy level and good airflow
need to get the light as close to the canopy as you can without it going over 29c at any time






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[Slipon]

thanks a lot .. and funny .. I just read about that Epson salt .. and then calld my mom


she have it use it for soakeing her feet aso. (english salt/Magnesium sulfate)

was just looking for how much to use .. so thanks

will get it tomorrow and try out when I have to water (2 light times since I flush) schould I add normal nutriens with the Epsom salt ?

I use "the Lucas Fomular" with GH nuriens ... Flora micro and flora bloom .. so have them zink/copper/iron and stuff ..

I belive my tap water is a lot like yours ? also rich on calium I belive (coffee pots have a lot of lime on the inside)

but its realy clean .. and noting added from the water plants (one good thing about Denmark is that water is very clean)

a link to my water plant:

http://www.nordvand.dk/Documents/Vand/Lovpligtig_kontrol/S%C3%B8borg%20Vandv%C3%A6rk,%20Afgang%20v%C3%A6rk%20%28811%29,%2078800-11%2018-10-2011%20udv.pdf



PH 7,5

hardness: 19.4


Nitrit, NO2- <0.0016 mg/l
Nitrat, NO3- 0.81 mg/l
Fluorid, F- 0.36 mg/l
Jern, Fe 0.02 mg/l
Mangan, Mn <0.001 mg/l
Natrium, Na+ 14 mg/l
Kalium, K+ 2.4 mg/l
Calcium, Ca++ 107 mg/l
Magnesium, Mg++ 19 mg/l

Hydrogencarbonat, HCO3- 282 mg/l
Sulfat, SO4-- 62 mg/l
Inddampningsrest 486 mg/l DS 204 1500
Aggressiv kuldioxid, CO2 <2 mg/l DS 236 2
Hydrogensulfid, H2S <0.01 mg/l DS 278 0.05
NVOC 3.0 mg/l
Total phosphor, P 0.004 mg/l
Chlorid, Cl- 47 mg/l
Nikkel, Ni 0.05 &#956;g/l
Methan, CH4 <0.01 mg/l

 

[Slipon]

p.s.

main steam is not purple .. so you say aslong as I feed them I dont need to repot ?

also .. temps is around 29C .. sumtimes just before lights out 30-31C and fist few hrs maybe 27-28C .. close enough I hope .. will get a bigger ventilation in 2 weeks .. and use my old smaller one for fresh air intake from the out side .. schould get it down to 25-27C I hope ..

but good air flow in ther .. 187M3 (4M3 room) with carbon filter .. 2 fans .. one tower fan on the floor to spread fresh air around from the intake (100mm/M3 intake vent from the out side) and a table fan at the HPS)

can keep the canapy around 16-20 inches away (few shots is 16 .. most is 18-20 .. lower is maybe 22-28 aso)
seems to be ok .. 27-32C in the room nomather wher ..cept with in 1 foot of the light or so)

 

[Slipon]

pps.

been looking at my local hydro store .. can get two products .. seems to do about the same .. but realy dunno .. got any experiance with:


Basalt meal ...

Maerl ...

boath by plagron

 

[JASON79]

thanks a lot .. and funny .. I just read about that Epson salt .. and then calld my mom


she have it use it for soakeing her feet aso. (english salt/Magnesium sulfate)

was just looking for how much to use .. so thanks

will get it tomorrow and try out when I have to water (2 light times since I flush) schould I add normal nutriens with the Epsom salt ?

I use "the Lucas Fomular" with GH nuriens ... Flora micro and flora bloom .. so have them zink/copper/iron and stuff ..

I belive my tap water is a lot like yours ? also rich on calium I belive (coffee pots have a lot of lime on the inside)

but its realy clean .. and noting added from the water plants (one good thing about Denmark is that water is very clean)

a link to my water plant:

http://www.nordvand.dk/Documents/Vand/Lovpligtig_kontrol/Søborg Vandværk, Afgang værk (811), 78800-11 18-10-2011 udv.pdf



PH 7,5

hardness: 19.4


Nitrit, NO2- <0.0016 mg/l
Nitrat, NO3- 0.81 mg/l
Fluorid, F- 0.36 mg/l
Jern, Fe 0.02 mg/l
Mangan, Mn <0.001 mg/l
Natrium, Na+ 14 mg/l
Kalium, K+ 2.4 mg/l
Calcium, Ca++ 107 mg/l
Magnesium, Mg++ 19 mg/l

Hydrogencarbonat, HCO3- 282 mg/l
Sulfat, SO4-- 62 mg/l
Inddampningsrest 486 mg/l DS 204 1500
Aggressiv kuldioxid, CO2 <2 mg/l DS 236 2
Hydrogensulfid, H2S <0.01 mg/l DS 278 0.05
NVOC 3.0 mg/l
Total phosphor, P 0.004 mg/l
Chlorid, Cl- 47 mg/l
Nikkel, Ni 0.05 &#956;g/l
Methan, CH4 <0.01 mg/l

i will look over this again but most of it looks good
but the ph is to high
the soil buffs the water/nutes so it will take time before it will affect the plants,
the ph is not loads out, so short term your plants will be ok,
with in the next 1-2 weeks the plant will show signs of the ph being off and stop the plant using nutes

sorry but you have to find a way of checking your ph
and lowering it to 6.8

these strips are a cheap way

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-pH-4-5-9-0-Narrow-Range-Test-Paper-Strips-Comparator-Type-to-0-5-pH-units-/140775900060?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Supplies_ET&hash=item20c6e5c39c

and white vinegar is meant to bring the ph down

i use a ph pen and ph down/up but not cheap

a few forums say white vinegar work well to bring the ph down

good luck

 

[Slipon]

erm .. sorry . think you did mix it up a bit .. that 7,5 PH is from the water plant/out of my tab ..

I correct it to 6,5 ofcurse ..

runn off is a bit low tho .. belive it schould be 5,5 -6 .. its more like 5 ? maybe 5,5 dunno .. might just be to many nuts ?
(note: that was from my flush I testet it .. I also made a soil test other day .. that did show between 6 and 7 .. so schould be ok ..

leme show you what I use/have:




sorry a bit shaky .. but Im sure you can see what I use .. just got the Epsom salt:




just gave em a teaspoon in my 2 gallon water can .. and 6ML of micro and 12ML of bloom and PH it to 6,5 useing the PH down flower ..

lets ee how they react .. I guess a few days and signs schould show if it is the solution ?
I reccon it cant do any damages ..

 

[JASON79]

erm .. sorry . think you did mix it up a bit .. that 7,5 PH is from the water plant/out of my tab ..

I correct it to 6,5 ofcurse ..

runn off is a bit low tho .. belive it schould be 5,5 -6 .. its more like 5 ? maybe 5,5 dunno .. might just be to many nuts ?
(note: that was from my flush I testet it .. I also made a soil test other day .. that did show between 6 and 7 .. so schould be ok ..

leme show you what I use/have:

View attachment 2220768


sorry a bit shaky .. but Im sure you can see what I use .. just got the Epsom salt:

View attachment 2220775 View attachment 2220778


just gave em a teaspoon in my 2 gallon water can .. and 6ML of micro and 12ML of bloom and PH it to 6,5 useing the PH down flower ..

lets ee how they react .. I guess a few days and signs schould show if it is the solution ?
I reccon it cant do any damages ..

i would not worry about your run off
if your ph is 6.5, its good

i have made a comment on epson salts on the other forum you was on

ok have you got a feed chart for your nutes

my grow has a higher ec than my bloom yours is likely to be the same

so if your grow chart says 4ml per ltr bloom (full strength)

and you use grow and bloom
i would start with 1/2ml grow and 2 ml bloom per ltr

when you add epson salt use 1/2ml grow and 1m bloom per ltr
you have to try and keep the ec level as close as can on each feed