Thoughts? could be you next perhaps.

[Timmahh]

your right bob, ive posted nothing but drivel from the Mi.Gov website. what do you think My fucking OP was about bob? a dad getting shot, or having his RIGHTS taken away for no good reason. where would the logic be in that.


my god you are an asshat.

 

[bob harris]

your right bob, ive posted nothing but drivel from the Mi.Gov website. what do you think My fucking OP was about bob? a dad getting shot, or having his RIGHTS taken away for no good reason. where would the logic be in that.


my god you are an asshat.

You post in a fashion to incite a civil rights war,,,,not in a manor to inform. You leave out important facts...you skew you opinion towards "evil is afoot". You scream the sky is falling, and offer no solutions, Then you attack logical thought with "he must be a cop". You are a delusional attention seeker.

 

[ozzrokk]

You know I dont get where this turned to a choose your kids or grow question? If you had to choose of course you choose the kids.
My Michigan Medical Marijuana Law says the you are protected to grow with children in the home. They4 put that there because they
put it on the parent to be responsible in everything they do around their children. They know that you dont need someone telling
you how to raise your children. Now if you are not doing it responsible that is a whole different story. CPS should not be holding that
against someone. Like I said if you had to choose then you choose your kids but you should NOT have to choose on growing or
being a patient alone. Each situation is different and can be handled in very responsible ways. For anyone to say a parent simply should not grow because they are a parent is rediculous. I am sure the original thought is why should he have to choose not what he should choose.

As stated before.

 

[bob harris]

As stated before.

The original post, had it included the section of the law that offers him protection, would have read much differently.

There would have been no question that he SHOULDN'T have to choose. Timmahh posted in such a fashion to incite emotion. Not to help the guy, or to spur honest debate.

Had he said "how can this be, when the law sways this" the entire thread has different meaning.

Sorry I used my right to free speech...the one you took away from me...

 

[Timmahh]

you are wrong bob. I quoted the Father that MADE this post on another site, and questioned the community here on their thoughts. I have been here for the last 2 months posting countless times, the actual Law, and explaining the misconceptions some have of it, like yours. I have in the last 2 weeks, been pointing to the MMM Act as it is on the Mi Law books now, and your erroneous interpretations that only further the criminalizing of citizens that are not criminals.

you see the Act as broken like BS wants you too. I see it as a solid Peoples Initiative that passed, and is being haphazardly handle by the state, and that haphazard handling is not due to the lack of clarity of the law, but the lack of this republican held State, to follow the will of the people, Whos act of living, give power to the state. We the PEOPLE allow the Government to HAVE POWER, not the other way around bob.

 

[bob harris]

you are wrong bob. I quoted the Father that MADE this post on another site, and questioned the community here on their thoughts. I have been here for the last 2 months posting countless times, the actual Law, and explaining the misconceptions some have of it, like yours. I have in the last 2 weeks, been pointing to the MMM Act as it is on the Mi Law books now, and your erroneous interpretations that only further the criminalizing of citizens that are not criminals.

you see the Act as broken like BS wants you too. I see it as a solid Peoples Initiative that passed, and is being haphazardly handle by the state, and that haphazard handling is not due to the lack of clarity of the law, but the lack of this republican held State, to follow the will of the people, Whos act of living, give power to the state. We the PEOPLE allow the Government to HAVE POWER, not the other way around bob.

Timmahh....you tell people that you are working for them..yet offer nothing but rhetoric.

You appear to be quite ignorant to believe that ANY law is sacred once enacted. Enacting a new law is a starting point, not an end point. Until you understand that, and start working to help shape the coming changes, you a meerly preventing progress.

 

[Timmahh]

Law are not sacred bob. CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE.

Education, its whats for supper.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Bob is correct on this one point, Timmah. Laws are very seldom enacted, and then just left alone. Most legislation is tweaked via amendments and clarified via the judicial system.

With that in mind, I pretty much knew your "don't change a single comma in the original act" stance was dead on arrival. A lot of bluster, but not very effective.

 

[bob harris]

Law are not sacred bob. CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE.

Education, its whats for supper.

Which constitutional rights apply here? Any that were added by an AMENDMENT?

 

[Timmahh]

You know the law bob, or say you do. Prove your case which ones DONT apply? oh that wont happen, it would mean you would have to spend time LEARNING.....


i agree stow, laws are changed, Constitutional Rights are not. nor can we allow them to be.

just like any negotiations. you ask for the moon, and settle for what we passed already.

I dont want the act to change one bit, its Clearly written, well defined, and only leaves a few things for the state to take charge of and implement, which they have miserably failed at doing.

Until the State fully implements the Law we the People already Passed, changing it, or any attemp to is just subjugation of the vote of 2/3rds of the state.

 

[bob harris]

You know the law bob, or say you do. Prove your case which ones DONT apply? oh that wont happen, it would mean you would have to spend time LEARNING.....


i agree stow, laws are changed, Constitutional Rights are not. nor can we allow them to be.

just like any negotiations. you ask for the moon, and settle for what we passed already.

I dont want the act to change one bit, its Clearly written, well defined, and only leaves a few things for the state to take charge of and implement, which they have miserably failed at doing.

Until the State fully implements the Law we the People already Passed, changing it, or any attemp to is just subjugation of the vote of 2/3rds of the state.

Clearly written and well defined....really..have you read it? It's poorly written an undefined.

Can you tell me the difference between a Registered patient, and a qualifiing patient? Cause I can't quite figure it out.
Can you tell me why section 4 has 2.5 oz, 12 plants..and Section 8 has "reasonable amount"? Because that's slightly unclear to me.

The law as written is ambiguous, unclear, undefined, and far from finished.

 

[Timmahh]

Wow bob, i was just making jest, but you REALLY ARE a simpleton arnt you? I am So sorry, had i Known that you were Actually mentally handicapped< i would of NEVER given you the amount of crap I have. MY appologies for your situation. I hope you Do Well with your situation. But you keep trying bob, you can be anything you want to be if you keep working hard! Good on you.



So, to make this simple for you, as to ensure you understand the simple difference between what a REGISTERED patient is, and what a Qualified Pt is...

A Registered Patient, has seen a Dr, had a check up and maybe even a physical if the DR feels it is needed. Patient has sent in Application to the State with Dr certification, and all appropriate paperwork and a check or money order (so your not confused bob, a Check is what you right from your own bank, while a Money order is what you can purchase at the post office, rite aid, Meijers, or even Wallmart when your on break at work). The app has been accepted and a registry card has been issued. THAT is a Registered Patient.

A Qualified Patient is a Patient that has been to a Dr, has had a check up and perhaps a physical if the Dr. feels it is needed, and the Dr Signs the recommendation that the patient would receive palliative effects from the use of cannabis as medicine for their ailments. A Qualified Patient though has NOT, for one reason or another, decided to apply to the MMMP registry.

those are the simple differances bob. I hope that was put so easy, that you have ZERO problems undertanding the very clear difference between what a REGISTERED Patient is, and what a Qualified Pt is.

 

[Timmahh]

Section 4 is for those Patients that HAVE Registered. Sec 8 is for those that have not, or for one reason or another, over the limits as outlined in Section 4). have you forgotten your post you made a bit ago already? it seems to show you pretty clearly understood it in that post, but you have forgotten it by the time you got here?


Bob, Have you ever been checked for Dementia OR Alzheimer's Disease?
you seem to be suffering terribly from some other mental incapacity other than just being extremely simple minded.

 

[st0wandgrow]

You know the law bob, or say you do. Prove your case which ones DONT apply? oh that wont happen, it would mean you would have to spend time LEARNING.....


i agree stow, laws are changed, Constitutional Rights are not. nor can we allow them to be.

just like any negotiations. you ask for the moon, and settle for what we passed already.

I dont want the act to change one bit, its Clearly written, well defined, and only leaves a few things for the state to take charge of and implement, which they have miserably failed at doing.

Until the State fully implements the Law we the People already Passed, changing it, or any attemp to is just subjugation of the vote of 2/3rds of the state.

Let me ask you this, Timmah:

If it were possible to poll every adult that voted FOR the 08 mmm bill, how many of them do you think would feel that the bill they voted on is what we actually see in practice here today? Do you think that a majority of those people envisioned dispensaries and farmers markets when they checked the box? Do you think a majority of them envisioned caregivers selling meds to patients that they have no affiliation to?

I understand your stance, and quite honestly I don't have many issues with your views. I agree with 95% of what you're saying .... but this law is not about just you, or Joe Cain. You guys are one extreme end of the spectrum. If we wanted to be completely honest with ourselves, the average Michigan voter falls more in line with bobs thinking, which is a more conservative interpretation of the law. I don't agree with bob on this, but that fact remains. Our lawmakers are *supposed* to represent their constituents, and strike a balance with legislation like this.

If we removed the politicians, and left the policy making of medical marijuana up to the people of the state, I truly believe we'd have an extremely scaled back version of the law than what we see unfolding today. I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

 

[bob harris]

Wow bob, i was just making jest, but you REALLY ARE a simpleton arnt you? I am So sorry, had i Known that you were Actually mentally handicapped< i would of NEVER given you the amount of crap I have. MY appologies for your situation. I hope you Do Well with your situation. But you keep trying bob, you can be anything you want to be if you keep working hard! Good on you.



So, to make this simple for you, as to ensure you understand the simple difference between what a REGISTERED patient is, and what a Qualified Pt is...

A Registered Patient, has seen a Dr, had a check up and maybe even a physical if the DR feels it is needed. Patient has sent in Application to the State with Dr certification, and all appropriate paperwork and a check or money order (so your not confused bob, a Check is what you right from your own bank, while a Money order is what you can purchase at the post office, rite aid, Meijers, or even Wallmart when your on break at work). The app has been accepted and a registry card has been issued. THAT is a Registered Patient.

A Qualified Patient is a Patient that has been to a Dr, has had a check up and perhaps a physical if the Dr. feels it is needed, and the Dr Signs the recommendation that the patient would receive palliative effects from the use of cannabis as medicine for their ailments. A Qualified Patient though has NOT, for one reason or another, decided to apply to the MMMP registry.

those are the simple differances bob. I hope that was put so easy, that you have ZERO problems undertanding the very clear difference between what a REGISTERED Patient is, and what a Qualified Pt is.

You are CORRECT! Of course..that only became the definition as of thursday, when those bills were passed. Before clarification, You had no frickin idea....Now..why the difference in wording between 4 and 8 when it comes to 2.5oz and 12 plants, and "reasonable amount".......courts haven't spoon fed you an answer on that yet...

If the law as passed is so clear..why didn't it just say something to the effect of "Limits of usable product and plant count, will be waived if patient shows need for concentrated medicines"....

 

[bob harris]

Section 4 is for those Patients that HAVE Registered. Sec 8 is for those that have not, or for one reason or another, over the limits as outlined in Section 4). have you forgotten your post you made a bit ago already? it seems to show you pretty clearly understood it in that post, but you have forgotten it by the time you got here?


Bob, Have you ever been checked for Dementia OR Alzheimer's Disease?
you seem to be suffering terribly from some other mental incapacity other than just being extremely simple minded.

Actually yes...every 3 months I go through a thorough psych evaluation...as do all Parkinson's patients. I'm also a member of MENSA and my IQ, last time checked was 177,,with my highest area being "spacial mathematics"...how about you?

Do you have mental health care?

 

[SketchyGrower]

well, with 200 being the highest score that's pretty good there.

High IQ & Genius IQ

Genius or near-genius IQ is considered to start around 140 to 145. Less than 1/4 of 1 percent fall into this category. Here are some common designations on the IQ scale:

115-124 - Above average
125-134 - Gifted
135-144 - Very gifted
145-164 - Genius
165-179 - High genius
180-200 - Highest genius

I'm a 155 when I was tested in 11th grade so, maybe I lost a few points from then to now but, hell I'm still very gifted at least

 

[ozzrokk]

You are CORRECT! Of course..that only became the definition as of thursday, when those bills were passed. Before clarification, You had no frickin idea....Now..why the difference in wording between 4 and 8 when it comes to 2.5oz and 12 plants, and "reasonable amount".......courts haven't spoon fed you an answer on that yet...

If the law as passed is so clear..why didn't it just say something to the effect of "Limits of usable product and plant count, will be waived if patient shows need for concentrated medicines"....

If you have such a high IQ then how come you do not know that those bills thursday only came out of committee and didnt pass shit? That definition has been the same definition that many of us have seen since the law first came out. The law is very clear but some types of people like to make it seem so confusing that it is unworkable. You commented in other posts about how u did not want people arrested etc etc. Then why do you relish in the joy you have when some do get arrested? I am not talk about the people with hundreds of plants and pounds upon pounds but simply someone who is trying to follow the law.

 

[Timmahh]

Let me ask you this, Timmah:

If it were possible to poll every adult that voted FOR the 08 mmm bill, how many of them do you think would feel that the bill they voted on is what we actually see in practice here today?Very Few. we didnt vote for people to be put in jail for a non locked door on a room in a locked basement. They also didnt vote for a dispensary on every bill. but i believe if polled most all will say they DID Vote for SAFE ACCESS for Patients authorized to use cannbis. Ideally that would of been throurgh CG to PT transfers. Pt to PT transfers PT to CG transfers ect, and some type of general community access, similar to a farmers market, or even a Low Key not for profit dispensary, just no HUGE GREEN Pot leafs and Cheech and CHong advertisings.

Do you think that a majority of those people envisioned dispensaries and farmers markets when they checked the box? To some extent Yes, i do. Safe access was the key, but blanant pot advertising or businesses no. But i also understand (as i think most well informed people do) that the Fed will not want, or allow Big Brick and Mortar business to be soley cannabis related. One only needs to look to the west, and to Maine to see that.

Do you think a majority of them envisioned caregivers selling meds to patients that they have no affiliation to? Absolutely on this Grow. Transfers between registered patients and caregivers is legal< we are all one ONE Mi MMMP registry. You are not on a Self Growing Pt regsitry, or a PT only registry or a CG/PT registery, or a CG Only registry or a Minor Registery, We are all on ONE MMMP Register, thus we are all, already connected to eachother.
2nd point of situation. What is the Difference between being a Registered Pt with self grow rights, and a Registered Caregiver? The simple and easy and correct answer is a Pt assinging you AS their CG. SO if all it takes is for one to have an assinged PT to "QUALIFY" for caregiver protections, then that act has created two separate classes of Patients or Caregiver, that are still on the SAME Registry. thus the only logical and simple understanding is a CG or a Pt with rights to possess and grow plants, must have the same protections because they are being listed on the Same registry. IF when a Pt named someone as their CG, and that person if only a self growing pt or not at all registered as a CG only, then if they would be moved to a Cg with assinged Pt registry , and be taken OFF the MMMP registry, that would be a different scenario. but we have 1 mmmp registry, and all registrants are connected via that registry, Assigned by a PT or not.

I understand your stance, and quite honestly I don't have many issues with your views. I agree with 95% of what you're saying .... but this law is not about just you, or Joe Cain. You guys are one extreme end of the spectrum. If we wanted to be completely honest with ourselves, the average Michigan voter falls more in line with bobs thinking, which is a more conservative interpretation of the law. I don't agree with bob on this, but that fact remains. Our lawmakers are *supposed* to represent their constituents, and strike a balance with legislation like this.

If we removed the politicians, and left the policy making of medical marijuana up to the people of the state, I truly believe we'd have an extremely scaled back version of the law than what we see unfolding today. I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

no i believe you are right, but remember, these legislators and senators are not working to protect anyone with the MMM Act of 08, they are only looking for ways to circumvent it and put people in jail by making criminals out of those that are not criminals.

Take a look around Stow, our state government is at number 46 in the corrupted states list, thats not 5 from the top of the list that is 5 from the bottom. our citizens on a level of nearly 85% does not trust our current administration. and that is of all citizens, not just the NON Republicans. Many republicans have in the last 30 days, been making huge internal waves, while at the same time, try to quell the information about a Very Recent affair ONE republican Senator had and was busted for... they are Trying like hell to keep that info on the down low. But i Have it, and if needed will use it when the time comes.

 

[bob harris]

If you have such a high IQ then how come you do not know that those bills thursday only came out of committee and didnt pass shit? That definition has been the same definition that many of us have seen since the law first came out. The law is very clear but some types of people like to make it seem so confusing that it is unworkable. You commented in other posts about how u did not want people arrested etc etc. Then why do you relish in the joy you have when some do get arrested? I am not talk about the people with hundreds of plants and pounds upon pounds but simply someone who is trying to follow the law.

I fully understand where the bills are in the system. And that they were greatly improved in favor of patients, before being moved to the next stage. And I never take pleasure in anyone getting arrested. But I haven't seen that innocent victim go to jail yet..as you seem to think happens all the time. I've seen some iffy arrests..mostly within days of the law being passed...and I see the courts using these cases to improve the law...I also see most of these people will be found 'not guilty" in the end, or guilty of a minor infraction. But to think no one should ever be arrested is simply foolish.

I've said it a million times...show me the true innocent that is being persecuted, ...and I'll help pay for his defense.