UncleBuck
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chnge february from black history month to millionaire appreciation month.
because no one like my dad has ever created jobs before, jobs are ONLY created by the wealthy.
Mitt Romney Tax Returns Released: Paid Just 13.9% Rate In 2010, Had Swiss Bank Accoun
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because no one like my dad has ever created jobs before, jobs are ONLY created by the wealthy.
Catchin22
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Dude. Do you KNOW how MANY McJobs they create?! Oh sure, when you get paid double time and a half at that big corp on those special holidays they are still making twice that off you an hour but still... what would you do without those big corporations? I mean I don't know about you but I don't even WANT to imagine a world where anyone has a chance of creating a business that can compete with the big boys. And I certainly don't want a boss who only takes a fair wage based on the amount of WORK he does. That's crazy!
NLXSK1
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It doesnt matter if the money was taxed 17 times before you got it, it wasnt your money up to that point. When you get it you pay taxes on it, like Romney did.don't try to shit on my face and tell me it's shitting outside.
using your same argument, i could say the wages paid to me by my former employer had been taxed seventeen times before they got to me.
income is income, whether it is made by working with your own two hands and creating/producing things like i would do, or whether you invest money and sit back making money off of other people's work like mitt did.
all you did was make a case for why capital gains should be at some number or the other.
you did not explain why it was fair that i am taxed at 25% on my meager wages while mitt is taxed at 14% on his millions of dollars.
you did accuse me of class warfare for simply asking a question, as a partisan hack is wont to do.
Then he invested HIS money into a business or stocks, etc... It is still his money. Then he got paid capital gains on HIS money.
But yeah, lets punish the private equity investor in America. It seems like the perfect time to fuck up the stock market, create more chaos and uncertainty. When do the fuckups become the blame of the president? Because he is constantly causing fear in the markets and doesnt seem to get that it is completely opposite to encouraging growth.
And the saying is "Dont piss on my head and tell me it is raining." You fucked that up too...
abandonconflict
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So it is shitting outside...
UncleBuck
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you still did not explain why it is fair that i make $25k and pay 25% while the other guy makes $20 million and pays 14%.
try to keep up here. i know it's tough to answer simple straightforward questions when you are cursed with the mental handicap that we call "believing in republicans", but please try.
that is A saying. that is not THE saying.
i went a few steps further because there is the possibility of piss being interpreted as rain. the shit you tried to pass off as normal precipitation could in no way ever be mistaken for precipitation.
the weather may sometimes be shitty, but shit never falls from the sky as you are claiming it does.
cleverpiggy
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So he pays the same rate on capitol gains as you and I do, where is the story here. Capitol gains taxes are the same for all Americans.
UncleBuck
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are you claiming it is fair that someone making $20 million a year pays 14% in taxes while someone making $50k a year pays 28% in taxes?
No the rich dont do SHIT for the poor. Examplethe C.E.O of the place I quit last year. Failing retail business. The CEO goes online to answer employee questions. This is almost word for word the exchange posted on the company employee website, then taken down.
Employee:Mr CEO what kind of car do you drive?
Mr CEO: Well in the winter I prefer driving my Range Rover and in the summer my Jaguar convertible.
needless to say the employee comments underneath the interview weren't flattering
Now this was about 3-4 years ago. Since then the starting wage is still $7.50, eliminated full time positions, eliminated raises one year, they capped older employee wages, eliminated valuable leadership positions, made their management staff hourly, and raised the healthcare copay.
Now l know for a fact all of the company's upper management still got obscene bonuses last year because it was reported in the papers. IF by chance these vultures manage to turn that derelict around, do you think they will ever restore those benefits, wages, positions?
Boy, you, Mitt and that whole unaffected elite better wake up.
And you got the balls to say these people dont deserve to AT LEAST pay higher taxes (Im sure a lot of their income was in the form of company stock)?
Employee:Mr CEO what kind of car do you drive?
Mr CEO: Well in the winter I prefer driving my Range Rover and in the summer my Jaguar convertible.
needless to say the employee comments underneath the interview weren't flattering
Now this was about 3-4 years ago. Since then the starting wage is still $7.50, eliminated full time positions, eliminated raises one year, they capped older employee wages, eliminated valuable leadership positions, made their management staff hourly, and raised the healthcare copay.
Now l know for a fact all of the company's upper management still got obscene bonuses last year because it was reported in the papers. IF by chance these vultures manage to turn that derelict around, do you think they will ever restore those benefits, wages, positions?
Boy, you, Mitt and that whole unaffected elite better wake up.
And you got the balls to say these people dont deserve to AT LEAST pay higher taxes (Im sure a lot of their income was in the form of company stock)?
Harrekin
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Why should some people pay more than others tho? So people should really be expected to pay more than others into a system which they'll likely never avail of? I'm all for social justice, but does that not mean everybody fronting the same for the bill?
Should the wealthy guy pay for everyone else in the restaurant aswell?
If your own family have no legal right to your wealth, why is it that strangers do?
beardo
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I'm with Uncle Buck on this one- His breakdown of the tax situation and it's true impact and real tax rates is pretty accurate if you ask me.
abandonconflict
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He wasn't suggesting the wealthy be made to pay disproportionately more taxes than the poor, he wasn't even exactly suggesting that the rich should pay as much in taxes as those of us filling the lower layers of the socio-economic strata. He was simply suggesting the rich not be carried on the backs of their employees.
UncleBuck
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people don't make money in a vacuum, they make money in a nation that provides them the opportunity for success.
how many starbucks are there in somalia?
abandonconflict
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Starbucks would only make Somalia worse though.
UncleBuck
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if you're a middle class worker, you got an education and you benefit from it.
if you're the guy employing 10 middle class workers, you got an education and you benefited from it AND you benefit from the education that those other 10 people.
if you're a middle class worker, you pay for roads and you benefit from them when you use them.
if you're the guy employing 10 middle class workers, you pay for the roads and you benefit from them when you use them AND you benefit from them when your 10 workers use them to get to work.
the wealthy benefit more from the nation's infrastructure than the middle class do in general.
if you're the guy employing 10 middle class workers, you got an education and you benefited from it AND you benefit from the education that those other 10 people.
if you're a middle class worker, you pay for roads and you benefit from them when you use them.
if you're the guy employing 10 middle class workers, you pay for the roads and you benefit from them when you use them AND you benefit from them when your 10 workers use them to get to work.
the wealthy benefit more from the nation's infrastructure than the middle class do in general.
No but the wealthy guy is taking money and benefits out of the poor guys pocket claiming that it is for the good of the company, then giving himself a huge bonus at the end of the year, even though the company keeps losing money year after year. I worked hard for years and my employees were some of the best in the company. Our store ran so efficiently that we never had to cut hours or lay people off,(we even gave overtime) until this past year!!! The employees' hard work actually translated into money for them. I warned people higher up in the company that they were leaving millions out on the table in their stores in inefficiencies. I lobbied for a small raise in order to train people to save them money and they balked and now they're on the brink of irrelevancy with a company valuation a third of what it used to be. But the CEO and upper management still get bonuses while continuing to cut employees take home pay and benefits.
Corporate's reasoning for not increasing the starting wage: People can afford to eat and live off of the dollar menu, we see them eat it all the time. People can afford to barely survive off of $7.50/hr WTF for real? I have actually heard people say that.
So if these corporations and the rich are going to bleed their employees dry and then rely on the US government to take care of healthcare and education without having to contribute their fair share in taxes, why the fuck should they be allowed to operate here? All the money they save from not providing fair pay goes towards lobbyists and ex-businessmen running for political office. It has turned into a vicious vampiric cycle. And they have the balls to hide behind "small business" How the fuck is Bain capital a small business? but they lump there interests in with the hardware store owner and the coffeeshop owner.
The C.E.O. of JP Morgan makes over $20 million a year yet he had the company pay his $500,000 moving expense. How much do you think a teller makes at his bank? They have the nerve to charge a $3 ATM fee.
How is fucking your employees over not redistribution of wealth towards the wealthy? Its either Taxes or laws regulating maximum and minimum pay (never gonna happen) or a bloody revolution and high crime levels like the 70's. Option 3 is looking more and more likely especially around my hood.
Harrekin
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And as a total dollar amount the wealthy already pay a disproportionately high amount into that same system...is it not enough for you?
UncleBuck
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FAIL
the thread is about how a guy that makes 20 million pays 14% while average guys like me who make $30k pays 28%.
are you saying that paying half of what i do is disproportionately high? should we reduce mitt's tax burden to 3% or lower?