Laws About Outdoor Growing?

Fas1

Member
what is the law about outdoor growing in michigan does it have to be in a greenhouse or in a fence or whats the deal?
 

migenetics

Well-Known Member
what is the law about outdoor growing in michigan does it have to be in a greenhouse or in a fence or whats the deal?
The way I understand " a locked,secured environment". You would need a lock on your greenhouse to be legal. I don't see any other way to be legal outdoors, no matter what kind of fence you have it needs to be secure"locked" and paperwork on site. Good luck
 

skiweeds

Active Member
right, it has to be in a locked area. you could do a greenhouse but would need a lock. also im sure a courtyard would work if you could be sure it's secured and locked. im not sure about a fenced in area. could ask you local law enforcement although personally i'd rather have them now know at all. even though it's legal a lot of people frown upon it. I've actually heard rumors of cops burning places down suspected of growing. anyways a fenced in area might work as long as it's a very secure fence and locked on all entries. the thing is though they may not allow it cause someone could pull up in a truck with a ladder in the back and take off with your crop.
 
Construct an enclosure using 2x4s and chicken wire. Put a door on it with 2 locks. People build these enclosures in deer infested areas. Keeps all the critters out and you comply with the law.
 

cmt1984

Well-Known Member
im not sure if a chain link fence enclosure would work, imo, it should be just fine but i dont think thats what they mean.
 

peilo

Well-Known Member
Enclosed, meaning not visible I believe. A fence is not sufficient. But don't mean you won't get away with it in your county
 

skiweeds

Active Member
here is what it is in mi according to law. taken directly from the site. this is how the law defines a enclosed locked facility in the state of michigan.

source- http://www.state.mi.us/orr/emi/admincode.asp?AdminCode=Single&Admin_Num=33300101&Dpt=CH&RngHigh= scroll down to (7)

"Enclosed, locked facility" means a closet, room, or other enclosed
area equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by
a registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient.

this is one of many gray areas of the current law. it's probably really up to local law enforcement and prosecuting attorney. personally i wouldnt risk a fenced in area. we are privileged for the law to allow us to do this in the first place. i wouldnt ruint it.
 
Look under Charlevoix Growing Marijuana and Northern Express (its a local paper). A guy was arrested last summer for having a chain link fence and a flimsy covering over the top. 4 walls and a roof with one door with one lock and one key is a sure way to keep yourself safe.
 

medz

Member
Hello all. I just want to post evidence that an outdoor fenced in area is OK in some counties. Again, YMMV per county. I cannot take credit for this I am just reposting it from a different forum.

Hi all,

I had plans of writing up a big story and quoting a bunch of things, but really, the pics can speak for themselves...

I also want to say that this WAS visited by BAYANET/LEO and left ALONE.. Caregiver was found to be within the law and was even stated that this was one of the most secure greenhouses they've tried to bust...

Dimensions are 25'x80' and had 24 plants in it... It was FULL... and cost about 2000$ to set up..

Disclaimer: I have been given permission to post these pics.. The idea is free to anyone.. spread the word, spread the WORK.. !!!
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What would stop someone from cutting through... well, nothing really, nothing but time... Even with sizable bolt cutters, it's still not easy to cut the panels as you say, and the wire bundles holding the seams together, aren't so easy to cut either..

I guess it's all about time... Time with the dog barking and the geese squawking, and the Ginnie's ginniiing..

This particular gentleman doesn't worry about people being able to "view" it, as he live at the end of a dead end road.. But did have it covered in plastic at points I think, maybe the one end was covered in plastic.. not 100% sure..

This SIZE might not be for everyone, but they are completely modular..
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I have a friend who just got a job as a state cop at the Ionia post. He said the way it was explained to him by his bosses was that if you can see it (even if you have to climb up on a neighbor's garage to do so), it is illegal and they are supposed to arrest and seek charges.

The reasoning is that the law says it has to be kept in a "locked enclosure accessible only to a registered patient or caregiver". If they can see it, they have "visual access" to it.

Not trying to harsh your gig, but I'd hate to see anyone get jammed up when they think they're following the rules..

When they clarify what "accessible" means, I'll probably be first in line to order one.



It's not for everyone then... But a LOT of things can be done to prevent "visual access" if you think about it..
When does LEO look for grows? In the fall... It was just before harvest.. Helo flew over.. My friend was waiting for them in the driveway..

The story goes, there were "green" officers that where in visible SHOCK at what they were seeing AND leaving behind..

There was nothing signed, no statements made other than it was one of the most secure outdoor grows that they had tried to bust..

It was pretty obvious that he was going to have overages... He doesn't seem that concerned...
 

deprave

New Member
just want to mention that the MDCH stated in a forum regarding the intention of the law last year that outdoor is allowed assuming the area is fully enclosed and locked out of public view, in this forum they also clarified that having working locks at the entrances to your home is enough to qualify as an 'enclosed locked facility'
 

peilo

Well-Known Member
Looks like its surrounded by a chainlink green house. There's a difference btw en"closed" and surrounded by. But it is nice. Not sure legal?
 

deprave

New Member
that is sad, I dont know what his outdoor structure looked like but according to this article the judge ruled his indoor plants are not properly secured also, this clearly goes against the intention of the law and that is not just my view but the view of MDCH and also of the woman who wrote our law, officials from MDCH have made statements claiming that simply having functioning locks on the door of your home is considered as within the confines of the law and that growing outdoors is permitted if there is a 4 'walls', a ceiling, and a door with functioning locks.
 

dan2581

Active Member
it has to be some kind of completely enclosed, locked building. a fenced in area wouldnt work.
This is correct. A dog fence with a locked door wont cut it. I'm pretty sure they want it out of sight too. I fully enclosed locked greenhouse might work, but it might have to have solid walls with a glass top. The outdoor limits of the law is one of the few gray areas, everything is pretty damn clearly defined within the definitions section.
 

Circle6CC

Member
"that permit access only by a registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient."

I'm sorry, but most of the bedroom setups wouldn't come close to that standard(grow tent with a lock on the zipper - come on, a dog could get in there in 10 minutes of serious work..)

Household locks and doors only keep nosy people out - steel house doors are just sheet metal over wood, and the door strike is actually the weak point. You are basically running a pharmaceutics lab - think bricks, mortar, commercial door. Chain link fence box - come on, some teenagers with a bolt cutter will be snatching your crop the first time you go to town. I live in the sticks too - those work fine for deer and other animals that don't have opposable thumbs.

And what about the day LEO show up - do you want to let them walk right in. Do you have a camera set up that is going to record them as they step on your rights? Every mom & pop $1 store has security cameras, but I bet less than 1% of growers do.

What really worries me about the poor security many people employ - some kids will steal someone's crop who was really lax, the kids will get into some kind of major legal problem whilst dealing the stolen herb, and the conservative media will have a field day talking about what lazy, lax stoners are doing in Michigan, "endangering the children".
 

Circle6CC

Member
Not trying to be a drag....I'm into the AARP age, I remember toting schwag seedlings into the boonies by moonlight. just to grow some more schwag. We've been given a great opportunity to do this right - the grey area is mainly a problem for people who want to have a setup on the cheap. If it is a personal grow, start with a steel security cabinet or an old gun safe. Bolt it to the floor, cut your holes for cords and vents - LEO will be impressed if they ever show up and even if the neighbor's teenager kicks in your door while you are gone, they probably won't be able to carry your crop away or get to it.

Bigger grows - drystack brick, fill with cement and rebar, buy the best door you can stand buying. One cat I know has a 20 yard dumpster upside down in his barn, bolted to the floor. Take that! HAHAHA!
 
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