take THAT, rape victims!

[UncleBuck]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/01/whats-behind-the-drive-to-redefine-rape_n_816967.html

in their never-ending quest to create jobs and lessen the deficit, those omnibenevolent republicans have introduced HR 3, the 'no federal funding for abortions' act.

i think most of us, even a rabid liberal progressive like myself, can recognize that such a bill is not a horrible idea.

but, like always, the devil is in the details.

the republicans, in all their glory and awesomeness, have decided that only victims of 'forcible rape', and not coercive or statutory rape, will be exempt from their holy and righteous efforts to legislate morality and dictate what you may or may not do with your own body.

The limitations established in sections 301, 302, 303, and 304 shall not apply to an abortion-- '(1) if the pregnancy occurred because the pregnant female was the subject of an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest;

so, in other words, if someone drugs your daughter and rapes her, tough titties.

also, if your uncle drugs and rapes your 19 year old daughter, tough titties.

the implications are enormous. now, every rape victim who wishes to take advantage of a tax exempt health savings account or medicaid to pay for their abortion must explain their rape to the government.

the government will then decide if the victim was raped forcibly or not.

yes, you heard me right: the government will decide if your daughter was raped or not.

this bill is sure to create countless jobs and dissipate the deficit.

and i know few of you on this board (johnnyo, surprisingly) voted for this insanity.

elections have consequences. vote wisely, folks.

 

[Dick Moser]

uncle bucks gunna rape my daughter??? cause that what i got outta that...haha nah but for real, the way i am reading that law IS that if a report or claim of rape , forcible, statutory, and paterfamilias is made or can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt then that women making the claim against her attacker or simple ol' kobe then she would have the full legal right to ask for goverment assistance in removing any "curse" she felt he might have left to linger. i think what they are trying to deny, or avoid is the MASSES of cracked 18-30 year olds who are having legitimate one night stands and are irresponsible for one night and ask for federal funding to cover their asses. but are still willing to help with the masses who would either hate the children they raised or gave away. i think the law should be ammended for rapesit...killem, and burn whats left.

 

[UncleBuck]

uncle bucks gunna rape my daughter??? cause that what i got outta that...haha nah but for real, the way i am reading that law IS that if a report or claim of rape , forcible, statutory, and paterfamilias is made or can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt then that women making the claim against her attacker or simple ol' kobe then she would have the full legal right to ask for goverment assistance in removing any "curse" she felt he might have left to linger. i think what they are trying to deny, or avoid is the MASSES of cracked 18-30 year olds who are having legitimate one night stands and are irresponsible for one night and ask for federal funding to cover their asses. but are still willing to help with the masses who would either hate the children they raised or gave away. i think the law should be ammended for rapesit...killem, and burn whats left.

i will rape your daughter, no joke. in the butt.

i don't really give two shits about not giving federal funding for abortion. whatever they want will work just fine.

but to deny rape victims? to make them prove their rape was a 'forcible rape'?

oh yeah, and incest only counts if you are below 18.

who elected these crazies?

 

[UncleBuck]

i think this bill will be successful in growing government if it passes. it will also create jobs, specifically in the 'deciding if you were forcibly raped or not' sector.

huzzah for the republicans!

 

[Dick Moser]

huh...i wunder what job training for that would be...to watch a rape...to GET raped yourself???? and dude...she wont get knocked up in the butt, so why would you be worried about this whole bill if your butt kids will never be born nyway???

 

[UncleBuck]

huh...i wunder what job training for that would be...to watch a rape...to GET raped yourself???? and dude...she wont get knocked up in the butt, so why would you be worried about this whole bill if your butt kids will never be born nyway???

raping her in the butt assures no pregnancy.

you dick. moser.

 

[Dick Moser]

i. win. BAM.

 

[UncleBuck]

i. win. BAM.

well played, sir.

 

[Dick Moser]

indeed. my message was too short so...quite.

 

[RawBudzski]

Either way the murder rate wont change.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/01/whats-behind-the-drive-to-redefine-rape_n_816967.html

in their never-ending quest to create jobs and lessen the deficit, those omnibenevolent republicans have introduced HR 3, the 'no federal funding for abortions' act.

i think most of us, even a rabid liberal progressive like myself, can recognize that such a bill is not a horrible idea.

but, like always, the devil is in the details.

the republicans, in all their glory and awesomeness, have decided that only victims of 'forcible rape', and not coercive or statutory rape, will be exempt from their holy and righteous efforts to legislate morality and dictate what you may or may not do with your own body.



so, in other words, if someone drugs your daughter and rapes her, tough titties.

also, if your uncle drugs and rapes your 19 year old daughter, tough titties.

the implications are enormous. now, every rape victim who wishes to take advantage of a tax exempt health savings account or medicaid to pay for their abortion must explain their rape to the government.

the government will then decide if the victim was raped forcibly or not.

yes, you heard me right: the government will decide if your daughter was raped or not.

this bill is sure to create countless jobs and dissipate the deficit.

and i know few of you on this board (johnnyo, surprisingly) voted for this insanity.

elections have consequences. vote wisely, folks.

Kindly explain how H.R. 3 overturned Roe v. Wade.

Abortions are still legal in EVERY state.

Rape victims may abort their rapist's spawn if they CHOOSE.

The appeal based on emotion was a nice try.

But a FAIL nonetheless.

Better luck next time.

 

[ChubbySoap]

if the gubberment didn't decide who raped who before this all happened, then how did all those rapists end up in jail?

seems fairly cut and dry to me...yes...they have to prove rape.
That's how the legal system works.

outrageous....but there you have it.

 

[UncleBuck]

Either way the murder rate wont change.

dude, if you are looking for an abortion debate thread, go start one. i hate debating abortion, it is pointless. i will accept your view that it is murder if that will satisfy you.

the question in this thread is: how do you define 'forcible rape' vs. 'coercive rape'? is someone who was drugged and raped not as much of a victim as someone who was beaten and raped?

secondary question: is incest OK after the victim of incest is over 18, but not before?

you have to be a loon to side with the republicans, or to have voted for them so that they could do this. if you want a debate, that's all i'll debate in this thread.

 

[UncleBuck]

if the gubberment didn't decide who raped who before this all happened, then how did all those rapists end up in jail?

seems fairly cut and dry to me...yes...they have to prove rape.
That's how the legal system works.

outrageous....but there you have it.

close, but not quite.

in a court of law, all you have to prove is rape. that remains unchanged by this bill.

but if this POS bill were to somehow become law (it never would), you would have to prove to the government (not a court of law) that you were 'forcibly raped'. being coerced into rape is not sufficient for you to use your own money that you put into an HSA to pay for your medical procedure.

so you are close, but slightly off. rape remains unchanged as far as a jury of your peers goes. but to fix the consequences, you have to prove to the government that not only were you raped, but that it was done forcibly.

in a court of law, all you have to prove is rape, not forcible rape.

 

[UncleBuck]

Kindly explain how H.R. 3 overturned Roe v. Wade.

Abortions are still legal in EVERY state.

i never said it did, and i never said they weren't.

Rape victims may abort their rapist's spawn if they CHOOSE.

also true. they just won't be able to pay for it with their own money that they placed into a tax exempt HSA to do so.

The appeal based on emotion was a nice try.

But a FAIL nonetheless.

Better luck next time.

appeal to emotion? nope. nice try, but a FAIL nonetheless.

my appeal is to logic and your better angels.

and it is very specific in regards to how the victim may pay for their medical procedure.

if the victim was drugged and raped, they would be unable to use their own money from their own HSA to remedy the situation.

if the victim was beaten and raped, however, they would be able to use their own money to remedy the situation.

are you an advocate for those that were beaten and raped, but not those who were drugged and raped?

 

[Johnnyorganic]

i never said it did, and i never said they weren't.



also true. they just won't be able to pay for it with their own money that they placed into a tax exempt HSA to do so.



appeal to emotion? nope. nice try, but a FAIL nonetheless.

my appeal is to logic and your better angels.

and it is very specific in regards to how the victim may pay for their medical procedure.

if the victim was drugged and raped, they would be unable to use their own money from their own HSA to remedy the situation.

if the victim was beaten and raped, however, they would be able to use their own money to remedy the situation.

are you an advocate for those that were beaten and raped, but not those who were drugged and raped?

So if my house is burglarized, I should be able to petition the government to replace my valuables?

Of course not.

But wait! What if it was a home invasion and I was drugged by the attackers?

Nope.

Emotional appeal FAIL.

 

[UncleBuck]

So if my house is burglarized, I should be able to petition the government to replace my valuables?

Of course not.

But wait! What if it was a home invasion and I was drugged by the attackers?

Nope.

Emotional appeal FAIL.

only a fail if you try to frame my words dishonestly, as you did.

your words: petition the government for....

my words: use your own money from your own tax exempt health savings account (HSA)...

in other words, you would support the government exempting tax from my earnings unless i used my own money to pay for an abortion due to non-forcible, coerced rape.

that stance from the newly elected republican house is not what they were elected to do and just plain morally reprehensible.

please stop trying to frame my argument dishonestly.

 

[ChubbySoap]

i'm voting for Palin this time round out of pure morbid curiosity...

 

[Dick Moser]

you sick fuck...

 

[undertheice]

so, in other words, if someone drugs your daughter and rapes her, tough titties.

also, if your uncle drugs and rapes your 19 year old daughter, tough titties.

nice try buck. another sad attempt to warp meanings for your own ends, just what we've come to expect from liberal talking points. below i give you the definition of "forcible rape":

Forcible Rape, by UCR definition, it the carnal knowledge of a person forcibly or against that person’s will, or when a victim is mentally or physically incapable of giving consent.

i'm no legal eagle, but that would seem to include rape through means of drugging or coercing the victim. as for your 19 year old daughter and the weird uncle, if she was coerced or drugged then it's rape as well. by the way, rape is a criminal allegation and the courts are going to be deciding its merits anyway. the idea that this creates another layer of bureaucracy is as ludicrous as your entire post. i realize that you advocate the use of abortion as a means of birth control, but why on earth should our tax dollars go toward these violent procedures that the simple use of a condom could have avoided? this is just more of you cradle to grave nanny state nonsense, another scare tactic designed to paint anyone to the right of stalin as an uncaring misogynist.