Vote NO on prop 19... (great read for anyone that will be voting in november in cali)
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TokinPodPilot
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Same thing we do every night, Pinky.....
errr, sorry. Too many cartoons. We do what we've been doing. Get others to spread the word, too. Pass that link along. Print out copies and keep them with you. Anytime it comes up in conversation, whip that puppy out and inform, inform, INFORM!
Most of all, never let the proponents get to you. We're often accused of misinformation, lying, selfishness and greed. Remember to let it slide and stick to the facts. We're safer now as a community than we would be under Prop 19. Dan used the old adage "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." For once he gives good advice, except the bird in hand is what we have now and Prop 19 isn't just a bush. It's a frickin' brier patch. Keep on keepin' on, brother bob...
in anticipation of flames.i live in cali and am a patient and would really like to see it legal but the ones who write and will profit from it do not care about it.if it is loved you know when you smoke it.right?i knew this law would be written bad.i have been in many debates over subject.
5x5 feet that would mean if i use say a 6x8 foot but only use 5x5 would it be illegal.rarely does only on oz come from harvest. say a 30 gram dry weight is what i get i go to jail right?if a cop walk up with a minor while i smoke in my house, i would be consuming in the presence of a minor.i would then go to jail.
this law is built to make money.greed by the writers not the love of the plant.if a monopoly does arise(witch the law states)due to only a select few prices will go up and a new or what is in place now will just take over due the 'shops' could charge upwards of 70 an eighth and people need to go to these "specialty" shops in order to stay supplied.
i have to say that 215 is written well and i think is written to last.
5x5 feet that would mean if i use say a 6x8 foot but only use 5x5 would it be illegal.rarely does only on oz come from harvest. say a 30 gram dry weight is what i get i go to jail right?if a cop walk up with a minor while i smoke in my house, i would be consuming in the presence of a minor.i would then go to jail.
this law is built to make money.greed by the writers not the love of the plant.if a monopoly does arise(witch the law states)due to only a select few prices will go up and a new or what is in place now will just take over due the 'shops' could charge upwards of 70 an eighth and people need to go to these "specialty" shops in order to stay supplied.
i have to say that 215 is written well and i think is written to last.
NLXSK1
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Yeah, they should let you smoke up a 4 year old on school grounds the nazi bastards!!!
The Zapper
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I assume most on this site are farmers, to some degree. Good farmers know that patience is key. This prop is no good. We all love MJ, so why would we want to whore her out to corporate douche bags? Let's deny this prop. and wait to pass something that shows her the respect MJ deserves. No on 19!!!
when you have to make up stuff like this, it is a sign of desperation.
NLXSK1
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Make up what? It was to prove a point...
There are only 22,000 active posters on RIU and we cant even agree on how the best way to grow a plant is... Yet somehow, after this bill is defeated you somehow seem to think they will actually come up with a bill that millions of Californians love and nobody has a problem with...
You dont like it because it is 21 and older, you dont like it because you can only legally carry an ounce, etc... You are never going to love any marijuana legislation created in California. There will never be a perfect bill created. It cannot happen due to the simple cause and effect of money and lobbiests...
So lets get back down to reality. What is your end game? What is your strategy beyond voting no on this bill?
i what?
"my end game"? am i supposed to have one?
there will still be a cause if this doesn't pass. you all said you've been fighting for forever. why would you stop if this fails? to those who vote yes and watch it not pass, what is "your" end game? since your counting on this bill for EVERYTHING. remember, it's this or nothing. so what do YOU do when it fails?
NLXSK1
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I am not going to *do* anything, I dont live in CA...i what?
"my end game"? am i supposed to have one?
there will still be a cause if this doesn't pass. you all said you've been fighting for forever. why would you stop if this fails? to those who vote yes and watch it not pass, what is "your" end game? since your counting on this bill for EVERYTHING. remember, it's this or nothing. so what do YOU do when it fails?
My point to you is that there is not going to be a perfect bill and less than 0 chance of a perfect one created under the CA legislature. If you voted yes then you could work towards getting the onerous parts of the law changed instead of waiting for a year or 3 to get something back on the ballot.
I will be voting yes for medical marijuana in AZ and supporting the cause of legalization there.
NLXSK1
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Change is scary...
i have no idea what that is supposed to mean.
NLXSK1
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What I mean is that given the current two choices. ER: keeping the marijuana laws the status quo where someone can be arrested and charged for a joint is preferrable to you than the uncertainty and change that the repeal of at least most of the anti-marijuana laws would bring.i have no idea what that is supposed to mean.
TokinPodPilot
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Seriously, if you don't live here, please don't try and tell everyone "how it is" here. Your misinformed opinion is really of no relevance since you don't live in California and cannabis regulations, medical and otherwise, is largely determined by each state. I'm sorry you live in Nazi-zona. I have a brother-in-law who just moved there (people do crazy shit for love), and I worry about him all the time. The facts are that no one gets arrested for "just one joint". California marijuana laws have come a long way in the 20 years since I've joined the fight and that's in addition to the progress that was made before I was old enough to join the scene. Also, there's no uncertainty that change will be made and progress gained. We've gained much in 20 years that other states should look to emulate. We've reduced the number of non-violent drug offenders who go to jail. That's fact.
I appreciate that you support the medical initiative in your state. But that really gives no relevance to your opinions about what Californians should do. As I've reiterated to others also out-of-state, work on your own state. Don't base anything on what any other state does. Your legalization efforts should reflect the values and views of your state.
Also, it's E.G. or e.g., as in example given. Not ER. Our public education system really is a travesty.
NLXSK1
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I would venture to say that I have read your MMJ bill and am more informed than many on this site whether they be in California or not.
Is it legal for a regular citizen to be in posession of a joint in California legally? Just because the cops do not enforce the laws does not mean that they are not there.
Thanks for the english lesson... so helpful on the internet...
Dan Kone
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While you are correct, no one is going to jail for a joint (unless they are on parole/probation/in drug court or something similar. ), it's a free country, he can express his opinion.
Dan Kone
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No, it's not legal. But it's pretty rare that someone goes to jail for a joint. The only circumstances where I've heard of that happening are when someone was on probation/parole/in drug court.
How ever it's a myth that you can't go to jail for less than an ounce. If that ounce is all in one bag you're safe. But if say you have two grams in different bags (like having two strains you want to keep separate), under current California law that can be considered intent to sell. You're average cop won't even enforce that though, only a world class asshole is going to hit you with a charge for that, but it does happen on occasion.
The internets is serious business.
NLXSK1
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I also dont use apostrophes and misuse ellipses (sp)... I am waiting for them to kick down my door any day now!!
The Potologist
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I personally think that ANY step towards regulation is better than sitting in Prohibition at the end of the day. I think progress has to start somewhere. If this whole idea turns out to be a bad choice, we can reverse it. However, as things stand now, with the cost of the "war on drugs" and the violence in Mexico...I think moving away from Prohibition is a start, and certianly better than dwelling in the utter failures of Prohibition. Fundamentally, if voting NO on Prop then i WOULD BELIVE, you are FOR Prohibition. The vote is really simple...Prohibition Vs. Regulation & Legalization ( although, to my understanding...Legalization is some blur )...Personally, I think that those who still wish against Prop 19 are ultimately siding with Prohibition, probably have not suffered enough consequences of Prohibition.
P.S....And slightly off topic. This is a cannabis/stoner forum. WE ARE MOSTLY STONERS HERE...so to be picky and or rude on using proper "english" or pronuciation is just rubbish. Lets talk weed, pot, cannabis and all the stuff that goes with it. If I, or anyone else, wants to learn proper english...I am fairly sure they know the steps needed to learn it.
Peace, Love, and Happiness
P.S....And slightly off topic. This is a cannabis/stoner forum. WE ARE MOSTLY STONERS HERE...so to be picky and or rude on using proper "english" or pronuciation is just rubbish. Lets talk weed, pot, cannabis and all the stuff that goes with it. If I, or anyone else, wants to learn proper english...I am fairly sure they know the steps needed to learn it.
Peace, Love, and Happiness
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