The Never Ending Abuse of Phosphorous (Bloom foods) to Enhance Flowering
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dragonpuff
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i probably just have a curtain of newb over my eyes, but i don't think my problems that happened look like his, i was good about the nitrogen and most of my leaves hung on until close to the end, they just went leaf growing crazy.
sorry if i'm a bigger dumbass than even i thought, but if you can tell me what i'm missing i'll be eternally greatful
ps i nearly pissed myself reading the lollipopping thread you're on...way to have no mercy
Uncle Ben
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Got any pix? Are you saying they produced alot of leaves and not much bud? The link I gave was to make a point, that it is leaves that drive bud.
dragonpuff
Member
yes lots of leaves not much bud. here is a link to the online album
https://www.rollitup.org/members/dragonpuff-183508/albums/romulan-10086/
thanks
Its funny how the 1st day of nute change with higher nitrogen had 1.3 gallon of fresh water uptake and the next night (tonight) went back to the 1/2 gallon uptake. Not sure what that means. Did it suck up all the nitrogen in just a 24 hour period? Not sure now. Have to wait and see how the plants react in a couple of days I guess.
wyteboi
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wyteboi
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this should be the very first thing you learn about any plant.
3 stupidest myths i still see everyday:
1. leaves need to be yellow at the end.
2. take all the big fans out of the way so the flower gets more light.
3. take all the fans off and the spider mites dont have anywhere to live.
If you own 28 different foods , 65 different additives and 14 jugs of molasses and not one single book on plants then that is the problem.
Read folks, not just on RIU but on plants in general.
wb
That would make a great sig line!If you own 28 different foods , 65 different additives and 14 jugs of molasses and not one single book on plants then that is the problem.
Read folks, not just on RIU but on plants in general.
wb
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Uncle Ben
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Hell, it should be the opening statement to this site lol!If you own 28 different foods , 65 different additives and 14 jugs of molasses and not one single book on plants then that is the problem.
Read folks, not just on RIU but on plants in general.
wb
Tattooboy37
Member
Damn you guys never cease to amaze me. Its as if you all think your way is the only way. Cant people just use a basic formula and grow on that. You also need to remember that just cause something works in your room doesn't mean it will translate into mine or someone else's. 
How many plants do you focus on. How big an area. what are u starting w. (seed or cuts). How long do you veg, ie what size plants do you grow. The ones i see are all about 24" when finished. My friend doesnt even switch his til then or later and end up at about 5-6' (he has 10' ceilings) I do mine to finish at about 4'.It all depends on what stlyle you like to use.
Pruning is also a matter of taste. Not all leaves need to stay on the plant the whole time. If you have an over abundance surrounding your buds in the final 2-3 weeks you'll end up w. a bunch of fluff and chances of powdery mildew or bud rot. Trust me doing a 10x10 room w/ 25-30 large plants is a hell of a lot different than some cat putting a 400w in his closet and taking care of 2 damn plants.
So IMO just do what works and ask ?'s if you need help. Stop posting a bunch of useless crap trying to make yourselves seem cool or smarter than most. Its a damn plant and w/ a little love and good timing through experience you will know when to add a high P fert or whichever additives you use.
Good luck to all growers remember. we are all supposed to be on the same team, but we dont all have to share the same glove and bat .
How many plants do you focus on. How big an area. what are u starting w. (seed or cuts). How long do you veg, ie what size plants do you grow. The ones i see are all about 24" when finished. My friend doesnt even switch his til then or later and end up at about 5-6' (he has 10' ceilings) I do mine to finish at about 4'.It all depends on what stlyle you like to use. Pruning is also a matter of taste. Not all leaves need to stay on the plant the whole time. If you have an over abundance surrounding your buds in the final 2-3 weeks you'll end up w. a bunch of fluff and chances of powdery mildew or bud rot. Trust me doing a 10x10 room w/ 25-30 large plants is a hell of a lot different than some cat putting a 400w in his closet and taking care of 2 damn plants.
So IMO just do what works and ask ?'s if you need help. Stop posting a bunch of useless crap trying to make yourselves seem cool or smarter than most. Its a damn plant and w/ a little love and good timing through experience you will know when to add a high P fert or whichever additives you use.
Good luck to all growers remember. we are all supposed to be on the same team, but we dont all have to share the same glove and bat .
bigman4270
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Its post's like your's that amaze me. You guys read a few post's in the thread and you feel its your duty to "set us straight." I am sure you will see it stated here numerous times that no 2 grows are the same. The OP is offering his advice and time to answer the questions that are posted here. You came here, we did not go looking for you or your wisdom.Damn you guys never cease to amaze me. Its as if you all think your way is the only way. Cant people just use a basic formula and grow on that. You also need to remember that just cause something works in your room doesn't mean it will translate into mine or someone else's.
Pruning is also a matter of taste. Not all leaves need to stay on the plant the whole time. If you have an over abundance surrounding your buds in the final 2-3 weeks you'll end up w. a bunch of fluff and chances of powdery mildew or bud rot. Trust me doing a 10x10 room w/ 25-30 large plants is a hell of a lot different than some cat putting a 400w in his closet and taking care of 2 damn plants.
So IMO just do what works and ask ?'s if you need help. Stop posting a bunch of useless crap trying to make yourselves seem cool or smarter than most. Its a damn plant and w/ a little love and good timing through experience you will know when to add a high P fert or whichever additives you use.
Good luck to all growers remember. we are all supposed to be on the same team, but we dont all have to share the same glove and bat .
Just as you have stated your opinion, so too has the OP. If you don't like his views than move on, or start your own thread so that you will be able to give your "opinion" when asked for it by the RIU community.
Most people that post here are stealth growers and only have room or the finances for a small grow. What I don't see here are the professional growers asking for advice. What I do see is a lot of new growers who are looking for a helping hand. If what he was giving was bad advice than I am sure it would have caught up with him, but all I see are the thanks for the help post's usually.
What is wrong with trying to teach a little botany with his answer's. Why is it not OK to try and show a new grower that there is more to growing than marketing hype and fancy Nute names. I think the OP does an excellent job of letting the grower no "it is just a plant and not some alien thing sent here for us to worship."
Its not said enough! Thanks Uncle Ben for your time and knowledge.
Keep Em Green!
Big
Tattooboy37
Member
1st of all I sit and read just for kicks quite a bit and finally decided to put my 2 cents in. Secondly i wasnt trying to rip or bag on anyone. All i said is that i see a bunch of nonsense that isn't related to the topic. How did it get from P in regards to inducing flowering to all the other bs. Plus i came here to search for something and was brought to this topic for some reason? I'm the one who was trying to get everyone to lighten up and help out, not post more negative stuff. As for the you helping people out, how bout you answer their questions as THEY post them not just start some thread about random things that noobies dont get anyways? The reason I came here was to see what people think of Cutting Edges line. I cant just put all my eggs in one basket and hope things come out ok. If you want your stuff in the collectives it better be damn good, damn hard, and smell damn pretty. I know it is stupid but thats the way it is here. I didn't want to start a new thread cause their should be tons already.
Lastly to BIG4270 i dont want any negative feelings or for you to think i am being an ass. If you go through and read a lot of stuff on here is bs or really negative. Isn't this supposed to be a mellowing thing anyhow. Peace, keep it green.
p.s. support your local efforts to allow medical marijuana in your states. then follow the laws.
Lastly to BIG4270 i dont want any negative feelings or for you to think i am being an ass. If you go through and read a lot of stuff on here is bs or really negative. Isn't this supposed to be a mellowing thing anyhow. Peace, keep it green.
p.s. support your local efforts to allow medical marijuana in your states. then follow the laws.
bigman4270
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Hey Tat,
It's all good. Your rite, this is suppose to be a mellow place. Stick around and maybe you can help some of us noobie's.
Peace
Big
It's all good. Your rite, this is suppose to be a mellow place. Stick around and maybe you can help some of us noobie's.
Peace
Big
W Dragon
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hey uncle ben and all the other dudes out there sorry if i'm getting this wrong i'm new to the site and to the computer and unfortunately not to sure what i'm doing is right, i'm on my first ever crop and following my old grandads advicee of to keep them mean keep them green and give em only what they need i have five ladys in an area 1.2x1.2x2m under a 600hps in a mylar lined tent my smallest 2 measured 24'' last night and my other 3 28-30'' i haven't lost a single leaf yet and i'm in week 5 and on day 4 of flowering as of this am and all i've fed mine on is miracle grow for azalea,camellia and rhododendron 30ml per gallon every 3 days so far with only 1 straight watering to date since i started them on the feed at about 20days in my ph is at a filterd 6.5 my temps are 28-31c the nutritional values of miracle grow are 6-1.7-5 and added half a cup of urine per gallon 3 times i have seriously healthy looking plants and the m g only cost me £2 per litre and i'm still on the first bottle i was wondering if you could suggest what would be my best option for flowering as i'm already 4 days in everything i have looked at so far seems to have quiet a high NPK ratio and i'm worried about causing damage or defs being my first time thanks UB thought i'd ask you because unfortunately i,ve read alot of crap from supposed growers and even i can see that unfortunately it is crap
rep to you for the great info
Big[/QUOTE] simple doesn't mean stupid
rep to you for the great info
Big[/QUOTE] simple doesn't mean stupid
dariuswestcoast
Member
UB this is awesome !!! thank u!!! 
wyteboi
Well-Known Member
well sit back an join the team then.Damn you guys never cease to amaze me. Its as if you all think your way is the only way. Cant people just use a basic formula and grow on that. You also need to remember that just cause something works in your room doesn't mean it will translate into mine or someone else's.
Pruning is also a matter of taste. Not all leaves need to stay on the plant the whole time. If you have an over abundance surrounding your buds in the final 2-3 weeks you'll end up w. a bunch of fluff and chances of powdery mildew or bud rot. Trust me doing a 10x10 room w/ 25-30 large plants is a hell of a lot different than some cat putting a 400w in his closet and taking care of 2 damn plants.
So IMO just do what works and ask ?'s if you need help. Stop posting a bunch of useless crap trying to make yourselves seem cool or smarter than most. Its a damn plant and w/ a little love and good timing through experience you will know when to add a high P fert or whichever additives you use.
Good luck to all growers remember. we are all supposed to be on the same team, but we dont all have to share the same glove and bat .
what would be the big difference in growing 2 or 30? (more work , more fans?) i am not the one to stir shit up but this is confusing to folks, there is no difference in doing a couple or doing a bunch. the plant dont change nor does the way it tick. thats about the only part of your post i dont agree with. I really dont think anyone on here is trying to be "cool" . i would say 8 out of 10 growers buy into the marketing hype..... i did. and sometimes not always it takes a thread like this to make you relize that.
(that powdery mildew will go away with some air circulation)
Bottom line: "So IMO just do what works and ask ?'s if you need help."
wb
Katatawnic
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To be fair, your initial post did come off as more of that negative stuff. However, you've since clarified, so it's all good. When poking fun, it's always helpful to readers when smilies like
or 
or 
are used, to help replace the lack of body language and voice inflections when talking via text. 
People are constantly asking UB (and others, of course) about plant nutrition, in several other threads daily. Further, there are many people, myself included, who appreciate tutorials and troubleshooting to already be present when seeking solutions.
Every site is going to have BS and negativity. Par for the course.
There's no difference between one plant or one thousand when it comes to basic gardening essentials such as nutrition.
Uncle Ben
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Great points.well sit back an join the team then.
what would be the big difference in growing 2 or 30? (more work , more fans?) i am not the one to stir shit up but this is confusing to folks, there is no difference in doing a couple or doing a bunch. the plant dont change nor does the way it tick. thats about the only part of your post i dont agree with. I really dont think anyone on here is trying to be "cool" . i would say 8 out of 10 growers buy into the marketing hype..... i did. and sometimes not always it takes a thread like this to make you relize that.
(that powdery mildew will go away with some air circulation)
Bottom line: "So IMO just do what works and ask ?'s if you need help."
wb