budsmoker87
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i don't care what the fuking banks report. unemployment continues to rise. it is not a recovery...the greatest depression has been stalled by printing/borrowing and throwing money at it
'Tea Party' Photo showing crowd is a fake
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Solcyn26
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its already the best in the world....u might want to double check that..lol
ViRedd
New Member
On the contrary, BadDog. I'm not losing my senses, you missed the point of my post.
Yes, Bush screwed up, especially in his last term. Now, with Obama, we have entered warp speed in the loss of our economic liberty. The point of my post that you missed was, its not just one party and its not about healthcare. Americans are waking up to the fact that we are losing our country to a cabal of corrupt ideologues IN BOTH PARTIES.
Wavels
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^^^All too true Vi,
Has any naysayer of the quality of US health care considered:
But because our health care here is better. That's right — better. True, our life expectancy of 78.1 years — which is up sharply from just a decade ago — ranks us 30th in the world in longevity. But look a little closer at the data.
The U.S. homicide rate is two to three times higher than in other industrial nations. And we drive a lot more than others, so our auto fatality rate of 14.24 deaths per 100,000 people is higher than in Germany (6.19), France (7.4) or Canada (9.25). Add to this, we eat far more than other countries on average, contributing to higher levels of heart disease, stroke, diabetes and cancer.
When all those factors are figured in, according to a recent study by Robert Ohsfeldt of Texas A&M and John Schneider of the University of Iowa, Americans actually live longer than people in other countries — thanks mainly to our excellent health care.
http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=337562347635294
Has any naysayer of the quality of US health care considered:
But because our health care here is better. That's right — better. True, our life expectancy of 78.1 years — which is up sharply from just a decade ago — ranks us 30th in the world in longevity. But look a little closer at the data.
The U.S. homicide rate is two to three times higher than in other industrial nations. And we drive a lot more than others, so our auto fatality rate of 14.24 deaths per 100,000 people is higher than in Germany (6.19), France (7.4) or Canada (9.25). Add to this, we eat far more than other countries on average, contributing to higher levels of heart disease, stroke, diabetes and cancer.
When all those factors are figured in, according to a recent study by Robert Ohsfeldt of Texas A&M and John Schneider of the University of Iowa, Americans actually live longer than people in other countries — thanks mainly to our excellent health care.
http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=337562347635294
SDSativa
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Why do people keep bringing up things that Bush did? And why do you have to be a Bush supporter if you think the government is out of control? I would agree that Bush was a bad president, worst, I don't think so. He abandoned all of his conservative values to appease the left, yet the left would never accept him anyways. His 2nd term was truly disastrous, doing exactly what the left would have done. I gave up my support of him as soon as he tried to push for "amnesty". He might have been an idiot, but he wasn't some radical determined to completely transform this country. Which is why so many people are pissed off. Obama is constantly bagging on republicans and AMERICANS that don't have the same vision for America. It is pretty sick, and won't last. People are starting to wake up from all political affiliations and seeing how this country is being destroyed. And I wouldn't try to prove an argument from an article from the NY TIMES. They are far left and losing readers fast.
ChChoda
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Great post. Seriously. Great.
FlyLikeAnEagle
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I'll tell you why. Its because these same clowns that are screaming out against Obama are for the most part the ones that voted for Bush and defended spending hundreds of billions of dollars to invade a country. Now they're protesting because Obama wants to give medical access to everyone? Give me a fucking break.
The same people that voted and supported Bush are the ones running around calling him Hitler, when the truth of the matter is nothing became closer to a dictatorship than what we had the past 8 years yet these same morons defended it. If Obama did 1/10 of what Bush did then these people would have something to bitch about. Sean Hannitys head would fucking explode if Obama started surveillance on American citizens like Bush did, and I guarantee you if Obama invaded a country based on lies, outed a CIA agent, and illegally tortured people these loose cannons would be committing acts of terror, no fucking doubt.
ChChoda
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By Gods grace Bush was President during 9/11. He got sidetracked protecting the country from external threats, let domestic policy get hi-jacked by bi-partisanship, and finished up his term with a flurry of socialism to supposedly fix the problems created by Carter and Clinton, and their bouts of socialism.
Bush loves America, and fought to defend it, for posterity. Obama hates America, and fights to destroy it, for consolidation of power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Bush loves America, and fought to defend it, for posterity. Obama hates America, and fights to destroy it, for consolidation of power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
BadDog40
Well-Known Member
Yea, thank God Bush acted on reports titled 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S'. How some of you are able to turn a computer on is beyond me.
ViRedd
New Member
Are you not aware that the FBI just nabbed al queda cells in two American cities and foiled another attack ... thanks to THE PATRIOT ACT?
Here's the scoop:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/16/2009-09-16_fbi_unit_set_for_more_antiterror_raids_in_queens_sources_fears_of_madridstyle_su.html
Operation 420
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So true, but unfortunately the sheeple will continue to point fingers and blame the other party. Just look at the posts after yours. It's pathetic.
BadDog40
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Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
ChChoda
Well-Known Member
Since when was having a private conversation via telephone or computer considered an "essential liberty"? 1759, no doubt...
ChChoda
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War
Intelligence in the American Revolutionary War
Intercepting communications
The Continental Congress regularly received quantities of intercepted British and Tory mail. On November 20, 1775, it received some intercepted letters from Cork, Ireland, and appointed a committee made up of John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Johnson, Robert Livingston, Edward Rutledge, James Wilson and George Wythe "to select such parts of them as may be proper to publish." The Congress later ordered a thousand copies of the portions selected by the Committee to be printed and distributed. A month later, when another batch of intercepted mail was received, a second committee was appointed to examine it. Based on its report, the Congress resolved that "the contents of the intercepted letters this day read, and the steps which Congress may take in consequence of said intelligence thereby given, be kept secret until further orders." By early 1776, abuses were noted in the practice, and Congress resolved that only the councils or committees of safety of each colony, and their designees, could henceforth open the mail or detain any letters from the post.
When Moses Harris reported that the British had recruited him as a courier for their Secret Service, General Washington proposed that General Schuyler "contrive a means of opening them without breaking the seals, take copies of the contents, and then let them go on. By these means we should become masters of the whole plot." From that point on, Washington was privy to British intelligence pouches between New York and Canada.
Intelligence in the American Revolutionary War
Intercepting communications
The Continental Congress regularly received quantities of intercepted British and Tory mail. On November 20, 1775, it received some intercepted letters from Cork, Ireland, and appointed a committee made up of John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Johnson, Robert Livingston, Edward Rutledge, James Wilson and George Wythe "to select such parts of them as may be proper to publish." The Congress later ordered a thousand copies of the portions selected by the Committee to be printed and distributed. A month later, when another batch of intercepted mail was received, a second committee was appointed to examine it. Based on its report, the Congress resolved that "the contents of the intercepted letters this day read, and the steps which Congress may take in consequence of said intelligence thereby given, be kept secret until further orders." By early 1776, abuses were noted in the practice, and Congress resolved that only the councils or committees of safety of each colony, and their designees, could henceforth open the mail or detain any letters from the post.
When Moses Harris reported that the British had recruited him as a courier for their Secret Service, General Washington proposed that General Schuyler "contrive a means of opening them without breaking the seals, take copies of the contents, and then let them go on. By these means we should become masters of the whole plot." From that point on, Washington was privy to British intelligence pouches between New York and Canada.
BadDog40
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Apparently you have no clue as to the meaning of 'private'.
But I'll play along, your argument is in 1759 there were not phones or computers, so with that I take it you also believe the right to bear arms doesnt apply to any type of automatic or semi-automatic weapons, since of course they were not around in 1776.
that was beautiful... these people preach about destroying a country blablabla, and its their very mentality that's destroying it, it's not the government, it's them...
they say obama wants to create a behemoth government blablabla... all he's advocating right now is for everyone in america to have at least some sort of health care,
and he wants to regulate the corporate swine that took advantage of republican lax regulation mentality to scam us all....
does anyone here know what the sarbanes-oaxley act is?? guess who signed it into law?? BUSH... that severe deregulation had a very good cause for being passed, it was supposed to make money flows easier, and quicker... it directly contributed to the financial collapse, by putting corporations in charge of handling their own risk.... they just assumed great deals of risk, then merged together, knowing very well that the government has a policy of bailing out too big to let fail corporations....
Wavels
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does anyone here know what the sarbanes-oaxley act is?? guess who signed it into law?? BUSH... that severe deregulation had a very good cause forAhem, in actuality, Sarbanes Oaxley added more regulation, not less. It had absolutely nothing to do with deregulation.
The act creates a new, quasi-public agency, the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, or PCAOB, charged with overseeing, regulating, inspecting and disciplining accounting firms in their roles as auditors of public companies. The act also covers issues such as auditor independence, corporate governance, internal control assessment, and enhanced financial disclosure
Excepted from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes-Oxley_Act
IMO, it made US corporations less competitive and created a boon for accounting firms.
MexicanWarlord420
Active Member
There were really about 1.2 million teabaggers though.
ChChoda
Well-Known Member
Apparently you didn't read the second post that clearly states Franklin participated in what you and your ilk would describe as "warrantless surveillance" long after he penned that quote of his that you took out of context.
So automatic and semi-automatic weapons are not arms? And I can have a functioning cannon loaded with grape shot mounted on the bed of my shotgun wielding pickup truck, legally? Cooool...
does anyone here know what the sarbanes-oaxley act is?? guess who signed it into law?? BUSH... that severe deregulation had a very good cause forjaja... it's funny how googling something makes you an expert.... JAJAJA....Ahem, in actuality, Sarbanes Oaxley added more regulation, not less. It had absolutely nothing to do with deregulation.
The act creates a new, quasi-public agency, the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, or PCAOB, charged with overseeing, regulating, inspecting and disciplining accounting firms in their roles as auditors of public companies. The act also covers issues such as auditor independence, corporate governance, internal control assessment, and enhanced financial disclosure
Excepted from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes-Oxley_Act
IMO, it made US corporations less competitive and created a boon for accounting firms.
take a course on financial markets 101, u might learn something......