Obama ... He's Lookin' Good!

hanimmal

hanimmal

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So you are saying you want to be told what you can and can not do.
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No if someone tells me to not cross the street because a bus is coming, I will tell them to screw off its a free country and cross anyway!

Or if I am in a store and they tell me that I have to pay for the food I am eating off their shelves I will simply not listen and continue to do what I want.

And if someone told me that if I was willing to pool a small amount of money and get something that would normally cost me much more, and I will need eventually I would tell them no way, quit trying to steal from me.
 
Roseman

Roseman

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So Bill Clinton is standing at the urinal in the White House, pissing, when Obama walks in, and joins him at the next urinal.
Bill sees it is Obama, and says HELLO, how ya doing?
and Obama says Fine, Bill, how you doing?
Bill says Just Fine, can I ask you something?
Is it true that ALL Black men are really endowed with giant penises ?
Obama smiles, and says
Yea, sort of. We are not al born with a giant penis, but we know the secret to making it bigger.
Clinton says AND what is that secret?
Obama says Every night, before I get in bed, I just woop out my pecker and band it against the bed post as hard as I can 2 or 3 times, making it swell up. By doing it every night of my life, after a while it stays swollen. You ought to try it, it only takes a few weeks.
so Bill says OK, I;ll try it.

Later that night, Bill tippy-toes into Hillary's dark unlite bedroom, approaches her bed, and before he crawls into the bed with her, he takes out his pecker and bangs it against the bed post extra hard three times.


Hillary raises up with a smile and says

Obama Darling, is that you?
 
ChChoda

ChChoda

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ChChoda

ChChoda

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So, because the article you link to has "20 heartbreaking stories", we should jettison the whole system? Change for changes sake is idiocy. Reform is all that is called for. Not a revamping. Not a government system with final control over my body. If you want it, move to France, player.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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hanimmal said:
Sigh* I do agree with this. We need to do more, but staying the same is stupid, at least we are moving in the right direction.

Do you not get what they mean by they seem to be suggesting that somesort of nationalized healthcare is needed that forces people (and it is not a bad idea on paper) to do things like lose weight, quit smoking, and getting regular checkups.

This plan should be the republican plan, the Dems should be trying to get what the mayo clinic thinks should be done into law, but there we are, we have a pyramid with at the very top of it on the right is republican and the left is demacrat. We all are way down at the bottom (people) with the more money you have the higher up the pyramid you are leaning one way or the other.

Eventually it is so thin up there that very little seperates the sides.
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You say we are moving in the right direction....on what do you base that?
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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The fact our government is trying to pass a bill for a form of health insurance that people/businesses will have a easier time affording. That is moving in the right direction. Unless you think the system we have now is as good as it gets and there is not room for improvement, I think you would understand that.
 
ViRedd

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hanimmal said:
The fact our government is trying to pass a bill for a form of health insurance that people/businesses will have a easier time affording. That is moving in the right direction. Unless you think the system we have now is as good as it gets and there is not room for improvement, I think you would understand that.
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Any thoughts on the proposed surtax on "the wealthy" that goes along with the health care proposal that would affect mostly small businesses?

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hanimmal

hanimmal

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Any thoughts on the proposed surtax on "the wealthy" that goes along with the health care proposal that would affect mostly small businesses?
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Just that a very large percentage of small businesses don't make enough profit to be declared wealthy. Other than that I would say that the savings they would have from being able to provide cheaper insurance for their employees would offset almost all of the extra costs.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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hanimmal said:
The fact our government is trying to pass a bill for a form of health insurance that people/businesses will have a easier time affording. That is moving in the right direction. Unless you think the system we have now is as good as it gets and there is not room for improvement, I think you would understand that.
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You obviously have not looked at the bill, but instead are listening to the spin. The devil is in the details, and Obama knows it. that's why he is in a hurry. That's why he has delayed the mid year accounting report (it's horrible).
 
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gardster

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Thank you for standing up and speaking your opinion. It seems that very few are willing to that for some reason, I am with you!
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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You obviously have not looked at the bill, but instead are listening to the spin. The devil is in the details, and Obama knows it. that's why he is in a hurry. That's why he has delayed the mid year accounting report (it's horrible).
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The bill that is not even written yet, so how could I read it? Which of the three current in debate are you talking about? And I am listening to spin, the thing isn't even done and your already saying how bad it is and deciding why the he set a timeline for it!

Face it you are a right wing tool. Even if your not a republican you are buying into all this panic they are selling.
 
TheBrutalTruth

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hanimmal said:
Just that a very large percentage of small businesses don't make enough profit to be declared wealthy. Other than that I would say that the savings they would have from being able to provide cheaper insurance for their employees would offset almost all of the extra costs.
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Except that it probably wont be cheaper, because government can never act efficiently, nor account sufficiently for people's response to the perception of "free" shit.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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I agree TBT, because we have idiots on both sides grandstanding and not actually making the best decision with facts and not idiotic reasoning that is way above their heads.
 
That 5hit

That 5hit

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hanimmal
"Hanibal" that other guy spelled your name like that
i wonder if he knows who "hanibal" is and im not talking about the canibal
the real guy
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/23/business/economy/23econ.html?ref=business

Explain to me, how if the government was wrong about Social Security, and wrong about Medicare, and wrong about Medicaid, how is it possible that the government can possibly believe that the costs of any new attempts at Social Programs related to healthcare will not greatly exceed their estimates?

And how do they figure that they can balance the budget by spending more?

What are they on? and why aren't they sharing?
 
CrackerJax

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Han, it is written. It's being pushed through the House now....it's a 1,000 pages and it is a HORRIBLE piece of legislation.

So you aren't basing your opinion on anything at all. Just feelings......
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Han, it is written. It's being pushed through the House now....it's a 1,000 pages and it is a HORRIBLE piece of legislation.

So you aren't basing your opinion on anything at all. Just feelings......
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So I take it you read it right and are not using your opinions that are based on nothing but bs blogs right? I have heard some parts that are in it, (Good ole Kusinich!) But I understand the overall concept. There are currently (well as of last night) 3 different bills all different. Most of which will be different before it is actually passed, so since I am unable to vote on it a moot point of reading it.

So no from my veiwpoint you are wrong.

It comes down to do nothing and stay in the toilet of the wealthy nations healthcare, or make some kind of change in the right direction. I chose to take the first step.


Explain to me, how if the government was wrong about Social Security, and wrong about Medicare, and wrong about Medicaid, how is it possible that the government can possibly believe that the costs of any new attempts at Social Programs related to healthcare will not greatly exceed their estimates?

And how do they figure that they can balance the budget by spending more?

What are they on? and why aren't they sharing?
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First here is one of the bills http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf . So they are 'sharing'

But because people can't understand it and would just pull out small peices of mis-information that they bastardize into something completely different and scare the shit out of the right wing nuts out there (and the left wind nuts too) if they put it into plain language they have to keep it in legalize. Similar to what we went over here:

Quote:
Bloomberg: Daschle says "health-care reform will
not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions
that come with age instead of treating them."



Quote:
The phrase that health care reform "will not be pain-free" is a direct quote from Daschle, she explained. She said the sentence beginning "Seniors should be more accepting" was her paraphrasing of an argument in Daschle's book in which he quotes David Mechanic, a health care policy expert at Rutgers University, saying, "more and more of what were once seen as social, behavioral, or normative aspects of every day life, or as a normal process of aging, are now framed in a medical context. ... Whether wrinkles, breasts, or buttocks, impotence or social anxieties, or inattention in school, they all have become grist for the medical mill."
God why can't you think for yourself and actually question the bullshit that gets posted on nut websites as the truth?

You think that all the money we spend on those things are not a waste most of the time? I would ask you to look up the actual science of things like ADHD and ADD but whats the point you would most likely stumble onto some nut website and take that as the truth.
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Explain to me, how if the government was wrong about Social Security, and wrong about Medicare, and wrong about Medicaid, how is it possible that the government can possibly believe that the costs of any new attempts at Social Programs related to healthcare will not greatly exceed their estimates?
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Your talking about programs that have slowly been chipped away at through the years. Look at any law, gun laws are not what they once were. Everything gets distorted through the years. We should be able to trust our politicians by voting for the right people but we don't and we can't. So we have to not allow them to change stuff until it is too late. We could really use an entire restructuring of most of our programs, but imagine what the nuts that are crying on tv now that think we are doing to much now would think then?
 
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