Project 4516

growerNshower

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Why would you ask for a replacement pack? Because you got all males? How is that something the breeder should take a loss on?

Sure it sucks but that is how male female seeds work. Im not trying to come off like a dick but just don't get why people think they assume no risk buying seeds.
SHN offers replacement packs for any reason, including too many males. I think that's standup cause it sucks to throw down A couple hundred bones on a pack of males when you don't breed. Doesn't mean it's the breeders "fault", but I think it's great that some people mitigate the "risk" of buying seed in regular form. TBH, I think breeders should sell regulars in packs of at least 15-20...generally the yield of seeds is very high with reg seeds, greedy to be selling 10 regs for hundos...fems is a diff story altogether...
 

thenotsoesoteric

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SHN offers replacement packs for any reason, including too many males. I think that's standup cause it sucks to throw down A couple hundred bones on a pack of males when you don't breed. Doesn't mean it's the breeders "fault", but I think it's great that some people mitigate the "risk" of buying seed in regular form. TBH, I think breeders should sell regulars in packs of at least 15-20...generally the yield of seeds is very high with reg seeds, greedy to be selling 10 regs for hundos...fems is a diff story altogether...
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chowmein

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That's beautiful, wish I could smell it!

No doubt, that's tough to "beat by much," but I'm at the point where I'm splitting hairs. I have several real keepers, but I'm always keeping an eye out for anything that edges out one of my steadies, even if just by a bit. The claim that got me was "winner in every seed popped." Not saying I believe it without seeing it, actually that's why I'm asking around; but, if that's true, then $35/seed is worth it in my opinion. Pheno-hunting takes so much time and resources, and real elite cuts are so hard to come by unless you're heavily connected...I've a few, but I'm no K.Jodrey.

Specifically, I've been looking for a purp strain that has that kill bag appeal, but is also dank AF. That expectation is notoriously elusive, and most people agree purps are weaker in effect...that adage was obliterated 10 years ago when I got a hold of something called "Jolly Rancher"...it was deep purple, bright orange hairs, frosty as hell, and you couldn't walk into a public place with a gram in your pocket and not "make friends"...I mean I got called out for stinking the place up everywhere I went. I want that, but dude I got it from is no longer with us.

For kicks and shits, here are a few pics I've seen of 4516:
Do you have any left of the jolly rancher?
 

growerNshower

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LOL 350 for a 10 pack of fems...... that is just pure noob tax. Just because people bullshit and suck each others dick on IG doesn't mean a god damn thing at the end of the day. The term is "HYPE". Most experienced growers know that the price you pay has nothing to do with the quality you receive. Jungle boys *cough* *cough* london pound cake *cough* *cough*. it's more dependent on your skill not a pissing contest on IG, Jesus christ
Appreciate it, but those project 4516 bx were standout in my garden...incredible nose, fairly easy to grow, nice effect, omg the taste...easily blew away other gear I've ran like bodhi hollyweed, dvg grandpa's breath, gp east coast stardawg, nature's farm sk18X...not saying its better than anything out there, but this was a good deal imo...not sure about you, but my time of culling males, growing out and selecting is worth more than $350/pack...I popped 2 seeds...both keepers...when you can only have 6 plants, that's a very good value.
 

thenotsoesoteric

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Appreciate it, but those project 4516 bx were standout in my garden...incredible nose, fairly easy to grow, nice effect, omg the taste...easily blew away other gear I've ran like bodhi hollyweed, dvg grandpa's breath, gp east coast stardawg, nature's farm sk18X...not saying its better than anything out there, but this was a good deal imo...not sure about you, but my time of culling males, growing out and selecting is worth more than $350/pack...I popped 2 seeds...both keepers...when you can only have 6 plants, that's a very good value.
Why only 6 plants?

Plant counts are just suggestions. Kind of like speed limits. No one abids.
 

growerNshower

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Why only 6 plants?

Plant counts are just suggestions. Kind of like speed limits. No one abids.
6, 12, 24...whatever your number is, 99% of people will not risk running 100 plants due to federal penalties. Also, local law can be pretty nasty depending on where you're at. My point is not about 6, it's just that most people don't have the room or the balls to do a big selection, so a PROPER pack of $350 seeds, if they sprout majority winners, is worth a few hundo extra.

I'm sitting here right now...just smelling the Project 4516 flowers...lol...like i got a bag of one bud sitting next to me all afternoon, just so I can smell it..just fuckin smellin' em...haha...they're so incredible.
 

mChoate96

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6, 12, 24...whatever your number is, 99% of people will not risk running 100 plants due to federal penalties. Also, local law can be pretty nasty depending on where you're at. My point is not about 6, it's just that most people don't have the room or the balls to do a big selection, so a PROPER pack of $350 seeds, if they sprout majority winners, is worth a few hundo extra.

I'm sitting here right now...just smelling the Project 4516 flowers...lol...like i got a bag of one bud sitting next to me all afternoon, just so I can smell it..just fuckin smellin' em...haha...they're so incredible.
how was the yield on the 4516 and what is the plant structure like? im deciding on 4516 or ice cream cake x kush mints by seed junky for my next crop in april
 

shaggy504boy

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how was the yield on the 4516 and what is the plant structure like? im deciding on 4516 or ice cream cake x kush mints by seed junky for my next crop in april
Good choice same here I had ice cream sundae $ crepes with 4516 and seed junky’s latest drop. Still trying to find out a little more about them very strains.
 

Dividedsky

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how was the yield on the 4516 and what is the plant structure like? im deciding on 4516 or ice cream cake x kush mints by seed junky for my next crop in april
I'd go with the 4516, it's a fresh new strain that seems to be getting some traction. Kushmints and icc are great but they're a bit older now. Both are in a ton of crosses. Lit farms and in house genetics has some project 4516 crosses. There's actually an icc x project 4516.
 

growerNshower

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how was the yield on the 4516 and what is the plant structure like? im deciding on 4516 or ice cream cake x kush mints by seed junky for my next crop in april
Structure was good, medium internode spacing, buds dense, not quite cookies dense though. I only ran 2 seeds, had 1 medium size plant and 1 small plant, but the buds were abundant, so with some selection you may be able to find a decent/medium yielder. I had 1 sweet leaning and one skunk leaning, both very gassy. The skunk leaner was smaller.
 

Dividedsky

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Structure was good, medium internode spacing, buds dense, not quite cookies dense though. I only ran 2 seeds, had 1 medium size plant and 1 small plant, but the buds were abundant, so with some selection you may be able to find a decent/medium yielder. I had 1 sweet leaning and one skunk leaning, both very gassy. The skunk leaner was smaller.
Nice good to hear dude, you got me excited
 

OG Doge

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I had no idea what 4615 was til I saw this thread. After looking into it on IG my seed jones was raging and grabbed some Cherry Bon Bons (Cherry Dosidos #25 x 4615) from Lit. I dont even know when I will be able to pop these but they are in the drawer. I need a seed 12 step seed program lol.
 
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growerNshower

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I would be interested to know what some of the more potent ones are?
#1 Capt A OG...no idea what the cross actually is, but clearly something OG-related is in the mix based on a 3 leaf trait that shows up on half the leaves, even bigger leaves and decent stretch. But it has a crazy giant structure with huge yield, stinks to high heaven of cologne, flowers and skunk...but there's something else very acrid in there. Very strong hybrid effects. Very easy to grow also. I wonder if there's some chem d in there.
 

Epochalypse

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Haha they are all going strong as hell; I’m about to transplant the 6 into 1.5 gallon pots tonight. When the 4516 is done, the Banana Runtz and the Umami/Superseed Cream Soda are next up in the tent. Here are some pics of the 4516 bx if y’all haven’t seen my grow journal, I’m in week 6 of 10:
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My Banana Runtz was a 10 pack as well. Every Runtz or Runtz cross I’ve grown are such horrible yielders. And I’m on top of my shit as far as I can push my yield growing in living organic soil.

it was a pretty limited release. It wasn’t easy to get a pack. I missed it day and date, but then a pack showed up in the mail from an “admirer” (pretty sure it was Sol Seeds). It’s an interesting plant, with more than a few keepers in each pack, but I’ve been finding plants with better terpene profiles and color in KRE8’s Runtz crosses. The Pebbles Runtz is probably my favorite so far, and the Runtz V2 is dank as well. The Pebbles Punch is such a Killer Plant.

I remember the Jolly Rancher c. 2011-2012. It was really nice. As far as purple plants with 28%+ THC & really original / dank terpene profiles, there’s nothing I’ve ever seen that Purps so consistently as plants crossed to Mass Medical Seeds Star Pupil (Purple Thai x ( Afghani x PCK)), especially the Prayer Pupil (Bodhi’s Prayer Tower #9 (sativa dominant) x Star Pupil) & Putang (Tangie x Star Pupil), which has some of the best effects I’ve had in awhile, tied with MzJill’s Jillybean Lime (Chernobyl x Jillbean). Both have similar, clear headed, creativity inducing, giggling euphoric highs, perfect for wake n bakes. And while not every Prayer Pupil will be purple, even the purple flowers push 30% THCA and have a very high CBGA content. It’s got a unique soapy taste as well, while the Putang smells phenomenal & is Orange / Grapey. My favorite thing about the Star Pupil (always purple), is that it’s a 50/50 hybrid. Most consistently purple plants are indica heavy.

I definitely miss the days when I could pull 10+ ounces off a plant growing in a 3 gallon pot, but the quality of living organic soil grown plants, in almost every category, can’t be beat. Only yield and maybe bag appeal for some plants. Although the terpenes from living organic soil grown ladies is tops, and usually the trichomes are as well. It’s really just yield and sometimes density / appearance that salt based nutrients can have on living organic soil grown plants.

Funny thing though is that the most advanced/finicky plants tend to be far easier to grow, & yield so much more in living organic soil, since so often, they don’t need many nutrients. So even going easy on them with mineral fertilizers is too much.

I rarely spend more than $150 or maybe $200 on a pack, with the exception of the occasional Aficionado drop, & even then it’s rare. And I don’t buy clones. Everyone using the same “elite cut” to breed with o only hurts the uniqueness of their cultivars and does the gene cannabis gene pool a disservice. I love pheno hunts, especially hunting through a pack from one of the many excellent breeders working today, in whose 10+ fem packs there’s usually a few keepers and 1-2 plants worth breeding with.

Hunting great males is a more time consuming and difficult experience, and I usually grab at least 2-3 packs of regular seeds whether I’m hunting for a female or a male to be safe.

As for the Umami / Super Seed Co. soda plants that all have price tags of $200-$250, I snagged a pack of Seattle Soda back in 2015 that I never popped, and it’s the common denominator among all of those cultivars, so I’m popping the pack soon to see what goodies I find. Hopefully a worthy male, but I’ve got no issues with making feminized seeds, since they don’t mess with the genetics or increase hermaphrodite chances like so many people think. That’s just genetics 101.

Before people discovered how to use colloidal silver, STS, etc., to make stable feminized seeds, people were making feminized seeds by stressing the hell out of a plant to force hermaphrodites. All Cannabis females will herm given enough stress, although some are extremely difficult to force pollen out of, & some are almost too easy. Many females will stop producing ethylene when they haven’t been pollinated, or they’re able to sense that no males are around, & will herm within 4-5 weeks. Fortunately, the male flowers don’t appear until, or at least close enough to, harvest time to make any difference. For some genetic reason, long flowering tropical sativas don’t usually have this problem, which would otherwise make them very difficult to grow sinsemilla flowers from. Probably because they can still be pollinated so late in their flowering cycles.

I have found some truly incredible plants over the years, and am generally willing to trade clones, but finding genuine clones out here in Washington DC, & along most of the East Coast, is a serious mission, with the exception of plants that come from the Midwest or East Coast. After Lemon Crush won the Emerald Cup in 2017, I recall very few people out west were able to find the plant, but it’s cuttings were very available here for at least a few months. But usually it’s really rough - particularly for plants from out West.

I had to go through six scammers before I finally found a genuine cut of Cherry Pie back in 2016. But I suffered a loss of my entire stable in 2018, except for 6 flowering plants that I revegged, which was painful for sure, & it totally cleaned out my clone collection. You’d cry for me if you knew some of the genetics I lost.

But in the years since, I’ve found some of the most incredible plants I’ve ever had in my collection, & as I get ready to launch, I am only working with 3 clones: the breeders choice mmscuts of Putang & the original clone only Rick’s Pupil, & the original clone of Forbidden Fruit.

I also wasn’t ever a fan of any of the cookies plants. The high always seemed mediocre, and the claimed genetics weren't possibly accurate. There’s so many better plants out there to grow. However, Sunset Sherbet - especially the Blue Sherbet - & several phenos of the Gelato are really lovely plants. Especially the Bacio Gelato or Gelato 41, Gelato 45, Mochi Gelato, Açaí Berry Gelato, & Guava Gelato. And JBeezy’s Wedding Cake x Gelato 33 aka Ice Cream Cake has some really phenomenal phenos.

How did the 4516 Bx1 and Cream Soda come out? Your plants are definitely looking healthy and happy.

Over the next year as I get closer to officially launching, I’m mostly going to be hunting Thunderfudge Genetics, Irie’s Jack the Ripper preservation packs, MzJill’s newest versions of Green Avengers classics as well as her new Jillybean flavor packs, 707’s Kush Cleaner project, Hella Seed Co.’s Shiloh Massive bred Maks Gak crosses, Some Sunken Treasure Seeds drops, Aficionado’s Pancakez (Grape Pie (LA cut) x Cherry Noir #18 [Cherry Lime #4 x Chemdawg Special Reserve) x (Testarossa: Zkittlez x Long Valley Reserve BX1]), some more KRE8 genetics, & older gear I’ve been waiting until closer to launching my limited edition craft seed line like Citrique, Green Ribbon Bx3, Kimbo Kush, most of my Seed Junky packs, early Compound / Wyeast, and other older gear like the Seattle Soda, or Pre-96 Blueberry F2s, a lot of Snowhigh gear, Landrace seeds like Lebanese Blonde and Panama Red that’ve been vacuum sealed in a seed fridge, and classics I’ve been saving like the original SAGE, Sensi Star, Jack Herer, Kali Mist, Harmony, Casey Jones, etc. along with assorted selections from BOG, MMS, Oni, Thug Pug, Alphakronik, Doc’s Dank, In House, Cannarado, & other beans I’ve been saving for this stage.
 

Epochalypse

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To be new to the u have a lot going on funny u mention tiki madman bc I chased his gear down I have breeder cuts of his work that started it off tiki rain haven’t ran her yet and due for cuts soon I also have a breeder cut of Tropicana banana tiki madman as well as for the jungle boys I gre and have a beautiful cut of the WiFi mint x nbk sunset sheeb I hunted I’ve caught each of their drops I’m gonn dm u I don’t am want to thread jack here is my little harder nothing to Bragg on
beautiful healthy looking ladies. Yeah Tiki Madman has blown up in a huge way this last year. His drops are almost impossible to get.
 
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