Real GG#4???
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booms111
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The real GG4 is clone only! To think otherwise is ignorant to the subject. Now to say there isn't GG4 S1 seeds out there is 100% wrong also. I ran packs of S1s in the past and the phenos were all over the place. Not a single one was as good as the real clone. One came close i called her Tootsie, she smelled and tasted like a tootsie roll candy but wasn't as potent as the clone only. There is and forever will be only one true Original Glue. Heres a picture of a GG4 S1.
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MICHI-CAN
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I've had a couple "pirate" clones rival the original of whatever strain. The original is just one potential variation of the cross. I find it highly unlikely that anyone has made the omnipotent cross of anything considering phenos and genetics is highly improbable to me. Claiming original as superior is just ignorant and arrogant. If I make chocolate milk with a syrup other Hershey's. Is it not still chocolate milk? And some will say it is better. And some worse.
StoneyJake
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wow my stuff from seed is much frostier at 6 weeks than yours nearly done and im sure its MUCH better but ok. Do you even realize the contradiction in your comment? "To think otherwise is ignorant to the subject. Now to say there isn't GG4 S1 seeds out there is 100% wrong also". I think you are regurgitating your info wrong LMAO. Ok im going to leave this thread now, sorry for bothering whatever this is
HydroRed
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GG4 is in fact a clone only. Its where anything that you see with "GG4" in it even came from. Im not saying that there wont be a better/stronger/frostier pheno found at some point in all the crosses and S1's but there is only 1 GG4 and it is in fact from clone.
MICHI-CAN
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And I suppose "Jay's" are the only real potatoe chips out there? And you don't own an automobile if it's not Ford? This thread is seperating the realist from the capitalists pretty quick.
booms111
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You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it, eh? We know what is what, lol!
That was a S1 not the real clone only just as whatever you have is not the original clone only so its not as the title of the thread is "Real GG#4". You cant accept the fact there is only one original clone? Why is that? Im not saying whatever cross or S1 you have isnt good all im saying is it is not the original clone only that JW put out many years ago. You obviously dont understand genetics and the history of glue, but thats ok just do some research and you will see why i said ignorant(not informed) and as you said youve been out of the game for a bit so i understand. No hard feeling brother, id give you a clone of her if i personally knew you just as everyone should give her out freely as JW wished.
antonioverde
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It wasnt trash, just direct. Sorry to offend you by saying that smell description isnt close.
Gg4 smells, chemmy, rank, coffee, chocolatey, funk, skunky, dank, gorilla sweaty ass. No floral or fruity or lilac smells at any stage of development I've seen.
Gg4 smells, chemmy, rank, coffee, chocolatey, funk, skunky, dank, gorilla sweaty ass. No floral or fruity or lilac smells at any stage of development I've seen.
antonioverde
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How many people found a copy of the clone in gg4 s1? Not many unless you get lucky, they are mostly segregated traits and stockier chem sis leaners, when you self a heterozygous clone you rarely get a copy...
MICHI-CAN
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One of mine smells like cumin and sweat stench at my favorite hole in the wall mexi restaurant. LOL.
booms111
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I found mainly chocolate diesel phenos and a few sour dubb phenos in the S1s i ran. Barely any of the S1s i got were chemmy, i think i had 1 that leaned chemmy out of 14 females. I do love GG4 crosses, she makes everything better usually. I found a great GG4 x Wedding cake that is better then GG4 and i also run a GG4 x Purple punch that is a sweet nice flavored keeper also but not a heavy hitter like GG4 or Gorilla Cake.
HydroRed
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In that sense I suppose it would be comparable to say I farm the potatoes that make the potato chips you buy.
No, you dont own a Ford unless its a Ford. So all mustangs must be created equal too then right??
I have a photocopy of a Babe Ruth baseball card. It looks and feels just like the original. Same size, card stock, etc. except my photocopy is brand new. Must be worth a fortune too just like the original!
MICHI-CAN
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I don't even know how to continue with this. You just demonstrated my point and still deny it. Thanks for the time. "NO ONE HAS THE ORIGINAL'. Not even JW. Died a long time ago. Even clones mutate in high enough numbers. Genetics and recessive genes triggered by environment and inputs. Reality over vanity. Peace.
Tangerine_
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LOL@ some of these responses....
There are literally hundreds of threads dedicated to this cut and its history. Even the title of this thread indicates its intent is to show case this cut.
SMH
There are literally hundreds of threads dedicated to this cut and its history. Even the title of this thread indicates its intent is to show case this cut.
SMH
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Tangerine_
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People are still doing grow journals with the cut they received direct from Grizz/JW.
In fact, with Joseys passing recently, I made it a point to gift it to as many local growers as possible so it could be widely shared and enjoyed in his memory. Lot of Original Glue growing in my neck of the woods this season
MICHI-CAN
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I have a high end fake or 3. Real ones were rare and expensive here. All gone for a few years. People ask for mine to refind it or a close copy.People are still doing grow journals with the cut they received direct from Grizz/JW.
In fact, with Joseys passing recently, I made it a point to gift it to as many local growers as possible so it could be widely shared and enjoyed in his memory. Lot of Original Glue growing in my neck of the woods this season
Was trying to say nothing stays the same. I get a freak every 20-30 cuts. Even yours are evolving. I hand out a ton of clones every year. Especially the good phenos and classics. Was an enlightening conversation at least.
booms111
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your 100% right on this clone can change. I got mine in 2013 but last year ran into another clone of her that was real but she had went through many hands. She had looser bud structure and had more stretch, exact same flavor and potency but grew alittle different(worse) due to all the enviroments she had gone through. The drifted genetic one also was alot harder to clone. I did a side by side grow with them both and up until then i never really believed in genetic drift.
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Tangerine_
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There's a lot of data on this subject - the microbial effects from the soil, the UV effects from the sun, ect. thats worth a read if you're goal is to maintain a healthy stable of quality genetics.
Epigenetic traits are conditionally temporary. Each spring, I put older cuts outside in a mineral rich organic soil under full sun for at least a couple months and then take cuts before they trigger to flower. This is an extremely effective way to breath life back into old cuts. This year, I also used additional chitan sources and the response is notable.
There's a lot of data on this subject - the microbial effects from the soil, the UV effects from the sun, ect. thats worth a read if you're goal is to maintain a healthy stable of quality genetics.
Tbh you may not find something similiar always with s1 s you find lots of ok plants some that aint worth your time and some that can surpass the mother in one way or more there are countless breeders who have struck gold using s1 s they just aint a guarantee to be the same as the mum i find it varies some strains the s1 s are more close to the mothers than others just depends obviously the original cut is good otherwise no one would keep it but id still say a decent seedline of gg4 is worth growing out also
pulpoinspace
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hey jake. it is actually. and thats what the #4 tells you. any strain with a number in the name is going to be clone only because the number is signifying which phenotype it is from the original pheno hunt.
source: http://www.ggstrains.com/our-strains/
"Form: Cup winning Clone only"
"STORY: Gorilla Glue # 4 was accidently created by Joesy Whales when some Chem Sis plants he was growing hermied and pollinated his Sour Dubb. Tired of seeded gardens, Joesy tossed out the strain. But his buddy, Mardogg, still had some seeds. Mardogg popped the beans years later and ended up with 4 pheno's of the GG, deciding #4 was worth keeping."
Now, of course no strain is reallly clone only. Anybody can use the same parents and make the strain again. But #4 is clone only.
Hope that helps.