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GreenNucleus

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Dread Bread x SSDD day 15 and 25 flower:

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Dread Bread x SSDD #3 waiting for a spot in the flower tent:
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Bad Dawg's KKxLBL freebie itching for a spot to flower:
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The DBxSSDD plant at day 25 flower stretched an unreal amount. It was 14.5" when I moved it into flower, it's now at 48" and I think it's just now stopped growing. The 2nd may follow suit since it's driving northward still.
 

outliergenetix

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Thanks for the insight man. But hypothetically, were I to take 2 different SSDD girls and make feminised F2s from them, besides the greater genetic pool, some people would suggest that fem seeds are poorer - without any evidence to explain why. What'd be your view on that?
I am not really too informed on that as I really am into regs personally, but I also see great value in an s1 as do many ppl I respect. so I don't buy into fems are useless, as for the downsides they do exist, but upsides do to. an upside would be the ability to skip a round of selection thus speeding up working the line, but if your goal is not to work a line then fems have no value really unless they wanna sell seeds ig. I want to add allot or all of this is my opinion or stuff I read from ppl I respect. I am not an expert first hand other than ive grown allot of pot but not nearly as much as many here
one personal example is I wanted chem 91 f1 and a selected s1 and then open pollinate the offspring. in this case s1 is very useful to me
 
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elkamino

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Dread Bread x SSDD day 15 and 25 flower:

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Dread Bread x SSDD #3 waiting for a spot in the flower tent:
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Bad Dawg's KKxLBL freebie itching for a spot to flower:
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The DBxSSDD plant at day 25 flower stretched an unreal amount. It was 14.5" when I moved it into flower, it's now at 48" and I think it's just now stopped growing. The 2nd may follow suit since it's driving northward still.
Thanks for posting those. :joint:

The stretch on that dread bread X sunshine daydream is probably good news, right? I would guess her height is from her mango biche grandmother... is that sound genetics logic?

I have that pack too... and hope to find the same someday! Super curious about smells and effects on that one.
 

jayblaze710

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Thanks for the insight man. But hypothetically, were I to take 2 different SSDD girls and make feminised F2s from them, besides the greater genetic pool, some people would suggest that fem seeds are poorer - without any evidence to explain why. What'd be your view on that?
Some people like to argue that fems are inherently worse than regs. I would argue that they are wrong.

Let’s have a thought experiment. Let’s take two identical plants, except one is a male and the other is a female. The only difference between them is one has two copies of the X chromosome and the other has an X and a Y. Everything else is identical, even the X chromosomes.

If you used both plants to pollinate the same female plant, the female offspring from both crosses would be indistinguishable from each other. The only difference would be that one cross would have males and the other wouldn’t.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with fem seeds unless you specifically want male plants, or believe that there’s something special about male selection.

I will attempt to save craigson the trouble since I posted a quazi explaination above already. basically man breeding is selecting for desirable traits when everyone desires the same traits we select for what is making money or what is trendy or back before carbon filtering in the war on drugs we selected for less smell etc... over decades this "loses" the traits we did not select for. this is how many believe rks was lost. it was too stinky to grow on a large scale so it went the way of the dodo.
I am no geneticist but I also think it is detrimental because some traits are inherently more rare and as we move towards a homogenous plant it becomes harder to dig back into the gene pool and get terp profiles and traits that us old heads remember.
in the end genetic diversity is needed to ensure the plants survival in the long run or else everything wil one day smell and look the same. that is science ;) it happened in the food and other agriculture industries already
on a side note there is so much this industry commercial growers don't understand, things like terps are not the only thing making it smell, for this reason other factrs like bio protectents could be responsible for rks and other rare scents. in other words these are ersponses to their soil or predators etc. things like when a plant puts off pheromones for one insect to attract thekm into hunt an insect that is eating the plant. these smels can be strong and have nothing to do with terps. esters is an example. also I have researched rks in attempt to figure this out and I believe it is possible for reasons I wont go into here but have shared via email with some ppl more capable than me on the subject which is I sulfur in higher amounts causes the skunk smell in some strains. this has to do with how sulfur is used and how it bonds to terps and is already known to replicate the skunk and rotten egg smell in nature under similar scenarios. to be clear this was a 10000ft summary, I may even have used a wrong term its been a year since I sent that email with all my info from reading books on esters and terps not about cannabis
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my stoned ass realized I went on and on and misread the question lol, anyway feminized seeds exponentially ruin diversity by removing literally half the gene pool from the breeding "pair" it is only the genetics of one parent not two. hence many times less diverse. open pollination is what is needed amn, and an indoor industry on top of commercial crop that ppl like one flavor basically of is gonna destroy cannabis in 50 years
You’re conflating fems and S1’s. All S1’s are fems, but only S1’s are self pollinated. Most fems still have two parents. Additionally, even in the case of S1’s, there’s still recombination. Depending on the level of heterozygosity in the mother, the S1’s may still show a lot of variation.
 

outliergenetix

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Some people like to argue that fems are inherently worse than regs. I would argue that they are wrong.

Let’s have a thought experiment. Let’s take two identical plants, except one is a male and the other is a female. The only difference between them is one has two copies of the X chromosome and the other has an X and a Y. Everything else is identical, even the X chromosomes.

If you used both plants to pollinate the same female plant, the female offspring from both crosses would be indistinguishable from each other. The only difference would be that one cross would have males and the other wouldn’t.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with fem seeds unless you specifically want male plants, or believe that there’s something special about male selection.


You’re conflating fems and S1’s. All S1’s are fems, but only S1’s are self pollinated. Most fems still have two parents. Additionally, even in the case of S1’s, there’s still recombination. Depending on the level of heterozygosity in the mother, the S1’s may still show a lot of variation.
ik I was pointing out a use for fems as opposed to the blanket statement fems suck, it didn't need to apply to all fems ig what I mean is you need to feminize to do this :) and the idea is to halve the gene pool tho but yes variety is varying still lol
 

outliergenetix

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Some people like to argue that fems are inherently worse than regs. I would argue that they are wrong.

Let’s have a thought experiment. Let’s take two identical plants, except one is a male and the other is a female. The only difference between them is one has two copies of the X chromosome and the other has an X and a Y. Everything else is identical, even the X chromosomes.

If you used both plants to pollinate the same female plant, the female offspring from both crosses would be indistinguishable from each other. The only difference would be that one cross would have males and the other wouldn’t.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with fem seeds unless you specifically want male plants, or believe that there’s something special about male selection.


You’re conflating fems and S1’s. All S1’s are fems, but only S1’s are self pollinated. Most fems still have two parents. Additionally, even in the case of S1’s, there’s still recombination. Depending on the level of heterozygosity in the mother, the S1’s may still show a lot of variation.
hey bro not to reply twice but I realized after in another post you didn't quote of mine I did do what you said. I added you corrected me to that and clarified it only applies to a subset of feminization using selfing. <nsert thumbs up here>
 

klx

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GreenNucleus

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Thanks for posting those. :joint:

The stretch on that dread bread X sunshine daydream is probably good news, right? I would guess her height is from her mango biche grandmother... is that sound genetics logic?

I have that pack too... and hope to find the same someday! Super curious about smells and effects on that one.
It could be the MB grandmother. I'm not experienced enough with SSDD but I don't recall seeing people post about crazy stretch. Maybe 1-2x veg size. This was approaching 3x's veg. Hope it produces something delicious and unique.

I'll be putting the 3rd pheno (the most squat one) into flower once I chop the More Cowbell OGKB. Three females will hopefully provide some useful info for those growing her in the future.
 

freewanderer04

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Hola amigos, been a while. Hope everyone is doing well. So update on the Space Cake.. I'm starting to think this strain doesn't like me very much. Out of 6 seeds I've gotten 5 males. I still have one that hasn't shown sex yet. Fingers crossed for a female. Since all the males showed sex quick I'm hoping its reluctance to show is a good sign.

Quick question for you guys - how important is smell to you for choosing a male to breed with? I found a nice structured Space Cake male but it lacks smell. Kinda generic smell from a stem rub. Should I toss it?
 

growslut

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Hola amigos, been a while. Hope everyone is doing well. So update on the Space Cake.. I'm starting to think this strain doesn't like me very much. Out of 6 seeds I've gotten 5 males. I still have one that hasn't shown sex yet. Fingers crossed for a female. Since all the males showed sex quick I'm hoping its reluctance to show is a good sign.

Quick question for you guys - how important is smell to you for choosing a male to breed with? I found a nice structured Space Cake male but it lacks smell. Kinda generic smell from a stem rub. Should I toss it?
Probably toss it.

Bodhi says that his method for selecting males is to wait long enough to show if the male has resin.
More resin=better male.
 

mr. childs

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Hola amigos, been a while. Hope everyone is doing well. So update on the Space Cake.. I'm starting to think this strain doesn't like me very much. Out of 6 seeds I've gotten 5 males. I still have one that hasn't shown sex yet. Fingers crossed for a female. Since all the males showed sex quick I'm hoping its reluctance to show is a good sign.

Quick question for you guys - how important is smell to you for choosing a male to breed with? I found a nice structured Space Cake male but it lacks smell. Kinda generic smell from a stem rub. Should I toss it?
smell was important for me in my selection along with structure, but being outdoor i did not see much resin, so i relied on the mom for that when it came to making f2's. i think that there are so many variables that can make a difference when it comes to creation & the merging/backcrossing of genetics. what you select for can be vastly different than what the next person chooses, who is to say who is incorrect?
 

Diet Pepsi Terps

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Update on Vietnamese x Columbian x Afghani F2 project
I was a bit worried, but, as of this morning, all three are up and helmets off. One had a little trouble shedding the helmet, but I love how Rapid Rooters allow me to dunk just the stuck shell in water. It only took 30 seconds of water and a little shimmy, and they're all looking good and unstressed.

"Question of the Day"
Saturday afternoon, I scuffed and soaked four Bodhi seeds: Granola Funk, Mountain Temple, SSDD, and Lucky Wookie, all singles, cuz that's how I roll. They went into Rapid Rooters this morning. Just for fun, which do you think will be first up?
Wow, it's cold in the garage these days, but seeds have been popping 100% over the last month...

but the suspense is killing me. 48 hours in Rapid Rooters and still no winner. SSDD and Mountain Temple are in the lead, root sticking up, but not out yet.

Can you tell I enjoy a friendly wager? lol
 

Diet Pepsi Terps

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I love my cookies. I have a pack of each of Bodhi's cookie strains, except the Instant Karma cross. Anyone remember what that one was called? I sure wish I could pick up at least a few seeds of that one...
 

outliergenetix

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I love my cookies. I have a pack of each of Bodhi's cookie strains, except the Instant Karma cross. Anyone remember what that one was called? I sure wish I could pick up at least a few seeds of that one...
I always wanted to try his granola funk. I even see someone with that as their name. wookie+forum sounds dope af
in unrelated news pinesoul always sounded cool to me to
 
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