Switching to LED from HPS

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Ryante55

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growingforfun said:
You keep speaking nonsence about lighting any everything ive seen from you points to you never learning how to use hid lighting properly. You think scrogs waste light, and your posts are centered around micro grows... if you have ever done a full room like a 10x10 id like to hear it. Its not that im trying to make it personal, its that what your saying doesnt seem like you have experiance. Seems like you read a lot online, so you think your a professor. News flash, we have all read a lot online... what are you doing? You speak a lot of negative about hps and i just dont think you know how to use them, amd your space is so small led works better for YOU.
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Yeah he sounds like you when you try to talk about led...
 
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growingforfun

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Silvio Dante said:
Who pissed in your cornflakes?

I am just discussing something from an objective point of view, with no particular viewpoint either way, just curious from a scientific point of view. I am not on commission for LED lamps so I'd thank you not to spread your bile across the forums.

If you can't discuss something in a reasonable fashion without such vitriol, perhaps a forum is not for you? There is no need to get so pissy?

Did an LED lamp clonk you on the head in a former life?
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As much as I dont really like @Ryante55 he's right. Burples are complete trash and if you dont know why just read the millions of posts explaining it so we dont have to again. Short version? If they worked they wouldn't have had to make a new version every single year to try and make something that competes with HPS. Buy a burple and learn the hard way if you must, like many others before you did, including myself.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Flowki said:
You can save money on heating by using auto thermo climate control, this saves W and also allows you to continue using a better light tech all year round.
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How does that heat or cool without using Watts?

Eg. Its winter and lets say its an ambient temp of 5c. Exit ducting is ducting back into the room the grow is in helping to keep some warmth in. How does the Auto climate control system you mention saves me W and heat the area enough to use LED?
 
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Ryante55

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growingforfun said:
When I say the only less worth buying are quantum boards or Samsung strips? When I say 6+ year old leds are trash? Get a clue... hps is better than shitty old burples ends of story.
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We just had a conversation where you said it's better to get solar for hps than buy quantum boards... Maybe we just misunderstood each other at some point
 
Flowki

Flowki

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Lucky Luke said:
How does that heat or cool without using Watts?

Eg. Its winter and lets say its an ambient temp of 5c. Exit ducting is ducting back into the room the grow is in helping to keep some warmth in. How does the Auto climate control system you mention saves me W and heat the area enough to use LED?
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You use a volt step controller to set the flow in summer. This will automatically speed fans up to your desired input to maintain root temps, it also helps to over size the in/out takes as they will run at lower rpm reducing sound and mechanical tare.

In winter you plug the volt step controller into a thermostatic cut off. The thermo cut off is set to say 68f at root temps, if the temp drops below that in/out take cuts off completely. The heater will kick in to raise the temp to the upper limit of the therm cut off. The time that takes depends on your heater, light heat, humidy unit heat and outside temps. Mine cycles on for around 5 min every 30 min in 0 to -winter temps with oil heater on low setting. At lights off the fans will stay off longer and less heat is also wasted, keeping roots happier. Using a big occolating fan also helps a lot. Point it slightly up and it will then help circulate the heat from the cob/leds from above the units to below. If you have continues airflow with the out take above lighting it will suck that precious winter heat directly out and make no use of it, more so with cob/leds but still so with hps.

You can use hps to heat during lights on with continuous air flow but even in low winter you will still see root temps drop and have to supplement heating unless in a small space or using too many lights than you actually need (or you have a well insulated room). At night you will again need a heater to maintain temps.. and a way to maintain the air for humidity spikes.

I use to think using hps as a source of heating was a bonus but it's not. Leave lighting to efficient lights, leave heating to efficient heaters. And ofc, save/utilize what heat you can to the point it does not effect co2 in take. I know that when it cycles on every 30 min it has no effect in terms of co2, since summer/winter give very similar results.
 
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growingforfun

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Ryante55 said:
We just had a conversation where you said it's better to get solar for hps than buy quantum boards... Maybe we just misunderstood each other at some point
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I kept saying you misunderstood me an went really reading what I wrote... I recommended quantum boards and I'm personally debating between going led and going solar.. the reduced electric bill due to going solar plus tax rebates and 20+ year lifespan of solar is appealing. I never said or intended to imply there is a issue with quantum boards or Samsung strips. Simply that the costs are comparable to a extent. Led is around $1 or so to DIY, maybe a little less or more, and it's around 1.50 a watt to buy fixtures. Solar is also about 1$ a watt. Wind is 50 cents a watt. I was simply pointing it out for comparison, lots of dispensaries are in fact adding solar panels that I've seen.
 
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Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Flowki said:
You use a volt step controller to set the flow in summer. This will automatically speed fans up to your desired input to maintain root temps, it also helps to over size the in/out takes as they will run at lower rpm reducing sound and mechanical tare.

In winter you plug the volt step controller into a thermostatic cut off. The thermo cut off is set to say 68f at root temps, if the temp drops below that in/out take cuts off completely. The heater will kick in to raise the temp to the upper limit of the therm cut off. The time that takes depends on your heater, light heat, humidy unit heat and outside temps. Mine cycles on for around 5 min every 30 min in 0 to -winter temps with oil heater on low setting. At lights off the fans will stay off longer and less heat is also wasted, keeping roots happier. Using a big occolating fan also helps a lot. Point it slightly up and it will then help circulate the heat from the cob/leds from above the units to below. If you have continues airflow with the out take above lighting it will suck that precious winter heat directly out and make no use of it, more so with cob/leds but still so with hps.

You can use hps to heat during lights on with continuous air flow but even in low winter you will still see root temps drop and have to supplement heating unless in a small space or using too many lights than you actually need (or you have a well insulated room). At night you will again need a heater to maintain temps.. and a way to maintain the air for humidity spikes.

I use to think using hps as a source of heating was a bonus but it's not. Leave lighting to efficient lights, leave heating to efficient heaters. And ofc, save/utilize what heat you can to the point it does not effect co2 in take. I know that when it cycles on every 30 min it has no effect in terms of co2, since summer/winter give very similar results.
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yea, no thanks. Electricity cost would sky rocket running a heater for that long. Im only running a 4 x 4 flowering tent, a small veg tent and a tiny propagation area. I don't run any heating at all. Not sure why you think "you have to". I don't.
Just bad advice for a smaller grow like mine unless of cause your electricity costs are very low.

How big is your grow to cover the cost of running a heater/ AC? Im guessing you must be sealed room and C02?
 
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Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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growingforfun said:
I kept saying you misunderstood me an went really reading what I wrote... I recommended quantum boards and I'm personally debating between going led and going solar.. the reduced electric bill due to going solar plus tax rebates and 20+ year lifespan of led is appealing. I never said or intended to imply there is a issue with quantum boards or Samsung strips. Simply that the costs are comparable to a extent. Led is around $1 or so to DIY, maybe a little less or more, and it's around 1.50 a watt to buy fixtures. Solar is also about 1$ a watt. Wind is 50 cents a watt. I was simply pointing it out for comparison, lots of dispensaries are in fact adding solar panels that I've seen.
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I'm also looking at QB for the flowering tent, shipping price was an issue when I first looked into them. Be a fantastic summer option for me.
The results people are seeing with them are fantastic.
 
Flowki

Flowki

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growingforfun said:
You keep speaking nonsence about lighting any everything ive seen from you points to you never learning how to use hid lighting properly. You think scrogs waste light, and your posts are centered around micro grows... if you have ever done a full room like a 10x10 id like to hear it. Its not that im trying to make it personal, its that what your saying doesnt seem like you have experiance. Seems like you read a lot online, so you think your a professor. News flash, we have all read a lot online... what are you doing? You speak a lot of negative about hps and i just dont think you know how to use them, amd your space is so small led works better for YOU.
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Scrogs don't waste light, the lighting type does, square peg round hole. It's like bringing QB to a circular vert cage.

Again, if you want to think of me as a 3x3 grower in my mothers cloak room then enjoy that visual, derived from the ignorance that such a grower can't produce quality weed with any type of lighting in that dimension.
 
Flowki

Flowki

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Lucky Luke said:
yea, no thanks. Electricity cost would sky rocket running a heater for that long. Im only running a 4 x 4 flowering tent, a small veg tent and a tiny propagation area. I don't run any heating at all.
Just bad advice for a smaller grow like mine unless of cause your electricity costs are very low.

How big is your grow to cover the cost of running a heater/ AC? Im guessing you must be sealed room and C02?
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Everybody has different heat retention to deal with, tents are easier to keep warm. By the sound of it, you could use the thermo cut off alone and it would save on your out take blowing when it does not need to. It's not just about W, it's also about sustained root temps > increased yield.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Flowki said:
Everybody has different heat retention to deal with, tents are easier to keep warm. By the sound of it, you could use the thermo cut off alone and it would save on your out take blowing when it does not need to. It's not just about W, it's also about sustained root temps > increased yield.
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It does need to. It keeps the temps at a nice temp when on and helps heat the grow area that the propogation and veg tents are in...It removes "dead" air and replacers with "fresh" air

You keep saying its about root temps and yield. I'm 20L pots with soil, insulated tent bottom. Root temps would be fairly constant.
Increased yield from what? Im all for learning something and my grows and pics are all over the forum. Im an avg grower and don't pretend otherwise but your not saying what your experience is or what kind of a grower you are. What is your yields from what environment?
Why should I add an extra 600w (probably more) of oil heater to my room? How much extra G per W will I get? Are your plants better quality than mine? I don't think ive seen you post a pic?
Of cause its all about W. W are a cost and a limited resource in most grow rooms.

It just seems ur a lamp hater, have you used them? I use CFL, LED and HPS right now, right at this minute this is my config. LED for propagation, CFL for veg (a touch warmer than LED for winter and im in winter) and HPS in the 4 x 4.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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People stop picking on small growers, we still yeild the same per watt or square foot as the big grows and the smaller the space the more the challenge imo :-)
 
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growingforfun

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Flowki said:
Scrogs don't waste light, the lighting type does, square peg round hole. It's like bringing QB to a circular vert cage.

Again, if you want to think of me as a 3x3 grower in my mothers cloak room then enjoy that visual, derived from the ignorance that such a grower can't produce quality weed with any type of lighting in that dimension.
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Your assumption good quality with GPS is exactly why I think your a shit grower who never figured out how to use hps.
Kingrow1 said:
People stop picking on small growers, we still yeild the same per watt or square foot as the big grows and the smaller the space the more the challenge imo :-)
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Small growers are a indication of exactly where their limit is... you see how that works right? If they were better they could go bigger. But they can't. Instead they have to try to feel good somehow like saying they get such amount per watt. I'd rather pull several lbs an not give a damn about my Gpw ratio... it's also proven to be easier to get higher gpw in small cabs. Just like its easier to grow 1 strain than 5. Or easier to grow a couple plants than a couple dozen.
 
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