Urban decay of Detroit 2009-2015

[Abiqua]

Of course I do realize black people have been the biggest victims of injustice by far in this country. I'm not one to say black lives matter is not completely valid.

Not that I dont disagree, but which tribe still lives on reservations.....they might

 

[Fogdog]

Of course I do realize black people have been the biggest victims of injustice by far in this country. I'm not one to say black lives matter is not completely valid.

I was pulling your chain. I liked you post.. I recalled a discussion where you were trying to tell me that cop on black crimes were due to economic disparity rather than racial disparity and wonder if I read you wrong about that. The MLK speech, I listened to in its entirety and it is still valid today.

I think I will pull this speech out the next time I hear some idiot complain about why not All Lives Matter.

 

[Fogdog]

Not that I dont disagree, but which tribe still lives on reservations.....they might

Does it matter if they live on a res? If a tribal member moves off res, they don't have room for complaint? How about members of tribes that were never given recognition and have actually had it worse than those who are members of an officially recognized tribe? Is it the reservation or the treatment of the first people that you are talking about?

 

[SneekyNinja]

I was pulling your chain. I liked you post.. I recalled a discussion where you were trying to tell me that cop on black crimes were due to economic disparity rather than racial disparity and wonder if I read you wrong about that. The MLK speech, I listened to in its entirety and it is still valid today.

I think I will pull this speech out the next time I hear some idiot complain about why not All Lives Matter.

The problem with "Black Lives Matter" is that it implies a majority (or a large minority at least) don't believe this way as a default position and I think it offends people that way.

I feel a little bit offended for a half second when a black person automatically assumes I'm racist and hate them just because I'm a cracker.

 

[abandonconflict]

There's a Facebook page that is spreading memes about Michelle Obama running for potus in 2020.

 

[UncleBuck]

The problem with "Black Lives Matter" is that it implies a majority (or a large minority at least) don't believe this way as a default position and I think it offends people that way.

I feel a little bit offended for a half second when a black person automatically assumes I'm racist and hate them just because I'm a cracker.

i think 'black lives matter' implies that they do but hey go ahead and take offense fragile one

 

[abandonconflict]

i think 'black lives matter' implies that they do but hey go ahead and take offense fragile one

BLM is persecuting the whites? I learn something new every day.

 

[SneekyNinja]

i think 'black lives matter' implies that they do but hey go ahead and take offense fragile one

Why not just call themselves "Pigs stop shooting innocent black people"...?

Just because you support a cause doesn't mean you can't call the name stupid, dumbass.

And I said I feel a tiny bit offended for half a second when black people assume you dislike them because of the color of your skin... as in it's a subconscious reaction that is suppressed by logic and reasoning.

 

[abandonconflict]

BLM doesn't ever offend me even a little bit.

 

[SneekyNinja]

BLM doesn't ever offend me even a little bit.

I said it offends some people because it implies a large section of the population doesn't believe it, which is blatantly wrong.

Not everything is about you personally, when naming a group that wants widespread support you need to try think in terms of the larger population.

 

[Justin-case]

Why not just call themselves "Pigs stop shooting innocent black people"...?

Just because you support a cause doesn't mean you can't call the name stupid, dumbass.

And I said I feel a tiny bit offended for half a second when black people assume you dislike them because of the color of your skin... as in it's a subconscious reaction that is suppressed by logic and reasoning.

I think the point of the name was to bring dialogue on the situation, which it has, quite well.

 

[abandonconflict]

I said it offends some people because it implies a large section of the population doesn't believe it, which is blatantly wrong.

Not everything is about you personally, when naming a group that wants widespread support you need to try think in terms of the larger population.

Thanks for the free advice yt.

 

[SneekyNinja]

I think the point of the name was to bring dialogue on the situation, which it has, quite well.

It wasn't the name of the group that brought attention to it, it was the widespread availability of information and videos of innocent black people being gunned down. The group was reactionary to that.

 

[Fogdog]

Why not just call themselves "Pigs stop shooting innocent black people"...?

Just because you support a cause doesn't mean you can't call the name stupid, dumbass.

And I said I feel a tiny bit offended for half a second when black people assume you dislike them because of the color of your skin... as in it's a subconscious reaction that is suppressed by logic and reasoning.

It's quite common for white people to be offended when the issue of racism is raised in no uncertain terms. The effects of racism are vile and literally kill people of color every day. It's natural for white people who are identified as the group where this vile behavior comes from to feel uncomfortable, and you are no exception. What do you want? Step 'n fetchit subservience in order to avoid being illegally stopped and searched and threatened with death if they don't obey? It's a protest. Of course it's going to ruffle the feathers of white people because it doesn't include them.

How about "Loose association of a subset of the population who are relieved they get home and see all their kids and point out that the largest subset of the population don't receive the same treatment by people who are paid to protect us". I mean they can't offend anybody with that can they?

Are you be offended by that?

Here's an essay on the subject from a writer who is becoming a favorite of mine.

https://www.theroot.com/how-to-protest-without-offending-white-people-1818770022
Five months before the March on Washington, 60 percent of the country had a negative view of the event and 57 percent thought that peaceful sit-ins hurt the civil rights movement. Even a year later, in 1964, 73 percent of Americans believed “Negroes should stop mass demonstrations,” according to Gallup(pdf).

There has never been a movement for the freedom or equality of people of color that has gained white approval. Not the abolitionist movement. Not the anti-lynching movement. Not the Black Power movement. Not the civil rights struggle.

Looking for respectability and approval from white people will always be as fruitless a task as a chicken’s attempt to convince a fox to respect the boundaries of the henhouse.

 

[NrthrnMichigan]

Just another democratic run shit hole is all. I moved away from that shit hole in the 80's. It's a sickening video to watch but to some I guess they'd call it progress. Devils night was the busiest night of the year for local fire fighters and volunteers alike. What a wasteland. They have videos similar to this portraying other shitholes across the country.

 

[Fogdog]

BLM doesn't ever offend me even a little bit.

Doesn't offend me either.

 

[NrthrnMichigan]

 

[SneekyNinja]

It's quite common for white people to be offended when the issue of racism is raised in no uncertain terms. The effects of racism are vile and literally kill people of color every day. It's natural for white people who are identified as the group where this vile behavior comes from to feel uncomfortable, and you are no exception. What do you want? Step 'n fetchit subservience in order to avoid being illegally stopped and searched and threatened with death if they don't obey? It's a protest. Of course it's going to ruffle the feathers of white people because it doesn't include them.

How about "Loose association of a subset of the population who are relieved they get home and see all their kids and point out that the largest subset of the population don't receive the same treatment by people who are paid to protect us". I mean they can't offend anybody with that can they?

Are you be offended by that?

Here's an essay on the subject from a writer who is becoming a favorite of mine.

https://www.theroot.com/how-to-protest-without-offending-white-people-1818770022
Five months before the March on Washington, 60 percent of the country had a negative view of the event and 57 percent thought that peaceful sit-ins hurt the civil rights movement. Even a year later, in 1964, 73 percent of Americans believed “Negroes should stop mass demonstrations,” according to Gallup(pdf).

There has never been a movement for the freedom or equality of people of color that has gained white approval. Not the abolitionist movement. Not the anti-lynching movement. Not the Black Power movement. Not the civil rights struggle.

Looking for respectability and approval from white people will always be as fruitless a task as a chicken’s attempt to convince a fox to respect the boundaries of the henhouse.

At least you see what I'm saying is inferential and not literal...

 

[Fogdog]

At least you see what I'm saying is inferential and not literal...

I think others question why it bothers you at a more basic level. All I said was it's quite common for white people to be offended when black people point out that white people are literally killing them for no good reason. The next question to ask is: why does it offend YOU. Also, I raised the point that white people always object to protests over white people mistreating (to say the least) black people. We are talking about white people objecting to movements to stop lynching, chattel generational race-based slavery, jim crow and for civil rights. Only later, after changes are made do the majority accept change away from lethal racist actions as something positive. MLK and Ali were hated by whites in the day and not just in the south. Now, they are mostly thought of as saints who helped make this country better.

So, if you are offended in the least by the Black Lives Matter movement and chosen name then I'd say good.

This is a list of things black protesters can do to avoid harming white people's feelz.

Don’t Say “White”
I have no idea why, but white people hate it when anyone uses the phrase “white people,” because, for some reason, they consider it a pejorative.

Don’t Say “Black”
When protesting, you must not only refrain from lumping Caucasians together, but you must also be careful not to remind them of your blackness. Again, the word conjures the imagery of oppression and makes everything about race.

Be Inclusive
If there is one thing white people outer-city people hate, it’s being left out. If you watch the nation unite in empathy and mourning for the single Caucasian victim of white supremacy, while ignoring the fact that the same supremacists have terrorized people of color for more than a century;

Be Invisible
White people The average American doesn’t mind protest ... as long as he or she can’t see it.

Be Respectful
If you miraculously find a place to protest, find an inoffensive phrase and include people from all groups, you should still be mindful that there is a list of things that white people the overprivileged value more than your life, freedom, equality or happiness.

Be Dead
One of the surest ways to engender respect from white people the unmelanated is to die. If you don’t feel like dying and have white-enough teeth, you can alternately outlive their vitriol and wait for them to embrace you.

 

[Fogdog]

Just another democratic run shit hole is all. I moved away from that shit hole in the 80's. It's a sickening video to watch but to some I guess they'd call it progress. Devils night was the busiest night of the year for local fire fighters and volunteers alike. What a wasteland. They have videos similar to this portraying other shitholes across the country.

Yup,

Reagan and his Republican movement to break the economy of this country's manufacturing belt was pretty devastating to the people of Illinois and Michigan. Did you vote for Trump?

He's worse.