You don't even know a free market. Reinstate the constitution, by force.

[dknob]

Military people, read this post.

When the "Free market" gets attacked for causing our economic issues, please be sure to understand that you have never experienced a free market in your lifetime. You only know what a "regulated market" is like. Price fixing and bailouts don't happen in free markets. When you hear about the Federal Reserve(the mob) raising or lowering interest rates, keep in mind that this is a blatant sign of a regulated market, not a free one.

It has been said that every market crash during the 20th century was carefully engineered by the "money masters", the international bankers that bought Woodrow Wilson's presidential campaign in return for the signing into existence of the federal reserve in 1913. This may be why patriots have been fighting to remove central banks since the founding of our country.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson

After this came the income tax, after that, the wealth(GOLD) seizure of 1933.
The Roosevelt Gold Confiscation Order Of April 3 1933.

In 1971 we left the gold standard and dollars began to be based on worthless "trust" rather than hard tangible assets such as gold.

Today you may notice it takes more dollars to purchase gasoline, and many people think this is purely due to destruction of oilfields in Iraq or some pissed off Arabs. There are several factors that affect the price of oil, and the price of oil nearly affects everything that requires energy to arrive at end users like you and I. One factor that is currently effecting the price of oil, and therefore everything else, is the falling value of the dollar, and the diminishing "trust" for U.S. financial instruments and institutions. Without trust, and a general acceptance of worth, your dollars are only worth the paper and ink they are printed on. In the event this happens, you will want to own some Gold and Silver (I like silver, do your research). Empires have fallen in the past to hyperinflation, they will fall to hyperinflation as long as "money masters" are printing money. Socialism will likely follow hyperinflation, as it has in the past, and things may get so bad that the majority of people beg for it. This is when you lose your essential rights, as outlined in the United States Constitution, a forgotten document that sought to preserve your freedom, which we have all passively neglected for too long.

And now something that may get me in trouble, in todays United States:

We have thousands upon thousands of troops over in Iraq and here at home who have sworn to uphold the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. The enemies that "hate our freedoms" are clearly domestic tyrants that need to be "removed" from their positions of power, and removed from their positions as living beings. It is surely time for our military men and women to uphold the oath they once took in the place that matters most, at home, use their leadership skills and identify targets that act in opposition to our constitution and thus, our freedom. Military men and women seeking to organize a nationally led miIitia will not stand alone, as many many people are waiting for someone to grab their balls and lead. Any action must be swift, and any call to arms must be loud enough and urgent enough to garner swift attention from those awaiting the true call to revolution. Lots of people are waiting for leadership. Interference from the ATF should be expected and dealt with.

Everyone is equally human, nobody is untouchable, nobody is safe. The people unified under an understanding of freedom, the constitution and the second amendment have the power. ALL THE POWER.

There is no great undiscovered continent to escape to this time.

 

[Kludge]

The oath we take requires us to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, I would say what Bush has done is an attack on the Constitution so I would say it is their responsibility to arrest Bush and deliver him to the Hage to stand trial for crimes against humanity. Then we can just go nuke the middle east and be done with it.

 

[dknob]

Lol im with you til that last sentence. I still don't see the middle east as a threat, maybe im naive, but I've yet to see any evidence. Iran has good reason to be pissed at us, we helped a coup (Operation AJAX, declassified) in conjunction with British MI6 to overthrow democratically elected Mossadeq, who nationalized oil in Iran. The coup was based on a request from British Petroleum. We engaged in propaganda and bribes (1,000,000 tax dollars originally alotted) (all in the declassified document) We put our puppet in there and gave him shitloads of weapons.

Bush isn't the only one. The entire federal reserve should be dismanteled and thrown in a cage. Rockefeller, Greenspan, Bernanke, Cheney, Wolfowitz,Rumsfeld, and more.

The oath we take requires us to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, I would say what Bush has done is an attack on the Constitution so I would say it is their responsibility to arrest Bush and deliver him to the Hage to stand trial for crimes against humanity. Then we can just go nuke the middle east and be done with it.

 

[dknob]

How many military guys you still in touch with? How many of them would agree with you?

The oath we take requires us to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, I would say what Bush has done is an attack on the Constitution so I would say it is their responsibility to arrest Bush and deliver him to the Hage to stand trial for crimes against humanity. Then we can just go nuke the middle east and be done with it.

 

[dknob]

One of the most revealing declassified documents Ive ever read.

CIA Clandestine Service History, "Overthrow of Premier Mossadeq of Iran,
November 1952-August 1953," March 1954, by Dr. Donald Wilber.
Cover Sheet, Historian's Note and Table of Contents
Summary
I. PRELIMINARY STEPS
II. DRAFTING THE PLAN
III. CONSOLIDATING THE OPERATIONAL PLAN
IV. THE DECISIONS ARE MADE: ACTIVITY BEGINS
V. MOUNTING PRESSURE AGAINST THE SHAH
VI. THE FIRST TRY
VII. APPARENT FAILURE
VIII. THE SHAH IS VICTORIOUS
IX. REPORT TO LONDON
X. WHAT WAS LEARNED FROM THE OPERATION
APPENDIX A - Initial Operational Plan for TPAJAX as Cabled from Nicosia to Headquarters on 1 June 1953
APPENDIX B - "London" Draft of the TPAJAX Operational Plan
APPENDIX C - Foreign Office Memorandum of 23 July 1953 from British Ambassador Makins to Assistant Secretary of State Smith
APPENDIX D - Report on Military Planning Aspect of TPAJAX
APPENDIX E - Military Critique - Lessons Learned from TPAJAX re Military Planning Aspects of Coup d'Etat

 

[Kludge]

How many military guys you still in touch with? How many of them would agree with you?

A couple of guys, and all of them agree.

In fact it really pisses me off when they show those Repuli-tard grunts on TV that have no brain but spew pro Republican Anti-American propaganda; as if that's what the military is actually like. When you get into the rear guard, the POG's, you end up with a more intelligent, well educated person. But the press never speaks to them because they don't carry guns.

 

[Kludge]

Lol im with you til that last sentence. I still don't see the middle east as a threat, maybe im naive, but I've yet to see any evidence.

It's not so much that they are a threat to us as we are a threat to them so they are fighting back using non-standard means. The same thing we did in the American Revolution. When you are faced with a numerically and technically superior opponent you would be a moron to attack them using their own tactics. Instead you develop guerrilla tactics, AKA "Terroists." But guess what; a 2000 lbs bomb dropped from 10,000 feet is just as terrifying to a child as an explosion in a cafe. Bush is a terrorist and should be treated as one.

Oh, and the reason we need to nuke them is it's just easier. That way we don't have to deal with them any more. We can't win a tactical war because they will always have babies that can carry guns. Blow up their vaginas and they can't have children.

OOOOO! That's the answer! We don't have to nuke them! We can just spray them with something that will make them sterile.

 

[dknob]

Civilians are waiting for a nationally led revolt. Everyone is pissed off, and more people than ever, it seems, have "woken up". "If you call them, they will come". Ill follow anyone directly into the white house or congress or wherever as long as the people do not want to do it "Ghandi-style" and we're going after the right tyrants. I think we're beyond Ghandi-crap. We need to use the 2nd. Bear arms, use them if forced, to expedite a speedy and full recovery of the constitution.

A couple of guys, and all of them agree.

In fact it really pisses me off when they show those Repuli-tard grunts on TV that have no brain but spew pro Republican Anti-American propaganda; as if that's what the military is actually like. When you get into the rear guard, the POG's, you end up with a more intelligent, well educated person. But the press never speaks to them because they don't carry guns.

 

[dknob]

I posted this same post on myspace(fox) twice and it hasnt shown up once in over an hour.

 

[natrone23]

maybe you could join wetard's militia

 

[dknob]

Any militia that isnt acting now is just sitting around getting infiltrated by the ATF. We need a nationally led call to arms, with some viral marketing, and we would have the largest militia in the country in days. I don't wanna sit around and get fucked by some ATF agent. Ready to go NOW.

maybe you could join wetard's militia

 

[Doctor Pot]

dknob -

More recently[1], the clinical use of the term "paranoia" has been used to describe delusions where the affected person believes he is being persecuted. Specifically, they have been defined as containing two central elements:

1. The individual thinks that harm is occurring, or is going to occur, to him or her.
2. The individual thinks that the persecutor has the intention to cause harm.

Paranoia is often associated with psychotic illnesses, sometimes schizophrenia, although attenuated features may be present in other primarily non-psychotic diagnoses, such as paranoid personality disorder and obsessive compulsive disorder. Paranoia can also be a side effect of medication or recreational drugs such as marijuana and particularly stimulants such as methamphetamine and crack cocaine. In the unrestricted use of the term, common paranoid delusions can include the belief that the person is being followed, poisoned or loved at a distance (often by a media figure or important person, a delusion known as erotomania or de Clerambault syndrome). Other common paranoid delusions include the belief that the person has an imaginary disease or parasitic infection (delusional parasitosis); that the person is on a special quest or has been chosen by God; that the person has had thoughts inserted or removed from conscious thought; or that the person's actions are being controlled by an external force. Therefore, in common usage, the term paranoid addresses a range of mental conditions, assumed by the use of the term to be of psychiatric origin, in which the subject is seen to generalise or project fears and anxieties onto the external world, particularly in the form of organised behaviour focused on them. The syndrome is applied equally to powerful people like executives obsessed with takeover bids or political leaders convinced of plots against them, and to common people who believe for instance that shadowy agencies are operating against them.

The constitution was written by men who lived over 200 years ago, not by gods. Since then, there have been many revisions and reinterpretations, and now we're where we are today. To treat it like, say, the Bible, is to ignore its origins and purpose. And while the interpretation of the constitution has changed over the last 200 years, our basic freedoms have not. We still have freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, and freedom from excessive government harassment.



The closest we've ever come to a free-market society was probably the late 19th century -- when the average American worked 14-hour days for peanuts in incredibly unsafe factories. I'm not sure that's the sort of scenario we ought to be idealizing.

 

[dknob]

No shit sherlock. Your wild imagination has taken everything I said out of context. You assume I have ignored some information, which you could not have derived from my post. You also equate unsafe working conditions with Free Markets. The lasting restriction of government is rare, the tyranny we have without the constitution is a very old idea, older than 200 years. You cannot deny that if the constitution was not completely infringed that we would be worlds better.

Unsafe working conditions and long work hours has nothing to do with free markets. duh. What a stupid thing to imply. You know-nothing.

The difference between you and I, I strive for all of my rights, and will fight for them, you are afraid to fight, and you are satisfied with clinging on to what you have left. I realize that once you give an inch, it becomes a mile, and it has. The power of observation, use it.

To top it off you cut and paste Wiki's paranoid shit as if we are always supposed to be apathetic and ignore history and our current condition. Insane. Go apply for a job at fox news, so you can join them in calling people like me "Terrorists, Homosexuals, Communists, Anarchists, Paranoid" as they always do. Time for deprogramming.

dknob -

The constitution was written by men who lived over 200 years ago, not by gods. Since then, there have been many revisions and reinterpretations, and now we're where we are today. To treat it like, say, the Bible, is to ignore its origins and purpose. And while the interpretation of the constitution has changed over the last 200 years, our basic freedoms have not. We still have freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, and freedom from excessive government harassment.



The closest we've ever come to a free-market society was probably the late 19th century -- when the average American worked 14-hour days for peanuts in incredibly unsafe factories. I'm not sure that's the sort of scenario we ought to be idealizing.

 

[Doctor Pot]

The "paranoid" reference was also partially in reference to your signature.

But look, we live in a democracy. It's not perfect, but it means that if you're really angry about something, and no one else cares, tough shit. As long as we have free speech, a free press, and freedom of assembly, then at least we can complain about real problems. And as long as we can vote, then we have the power to change things. Maybe not immediately, and maybe not as much as we would like, but we still have that power.

I mean, seriously, who are you advocating decides what is constitutional and what isn't? Not the judges, whose job it is, but a bunch of armed thugs. You should direct all that anger at something else, or maybe move to Columbia or somewhere else where what you're advocating is the norm.

But really, what would you actually do if you could have all the freedom you wanted to do whatever you wanted? I'm mostly interested in this last question, because I think it has important implications. Is there anything you can't do now that you could do if society was like you wanted it to be?

 

[We Love 1]

Keep up the good work dknob!

YouTube - Bob Marley on Herb and Prohibition

We need to keep Our rights!

One!

The REVOLUTION has begun!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[We Love 1]

Keep up the good work dknob!

YouTube - Bob Marley on Herb and Prohibition

We need to get ALL of Our rights back!

One!

The REVOLUTION has begun!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[We Love 1]

Keep up the good work dknob!

YouTube - Bob Marley on Herb and Prohibition

We need to get ALL of Our rights back!

YouTube - Imagination vs Deams

One!

The REVOLUTION has begun!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[ViRedd]

You're right about people being pissed off ... especially with this Marxist 700 Billion "bailout" looming over our heads. Our senators and congressmen are getting anti-bailout phone calls by the tens of thousands. If they jam this down out throats, all incumbents should be thrown out of office.

Vi

 

[Bongulator]

That's one opinion. My opinion is, if we'd done nothing, we'd have spent the next 10 years digging out of a huge hole, and we'd probably never be a superpower again. That was the gamble. On one hand you have a $700b short-term expenditure (long-term, who knows, might even make a profit, although I wouldn't bet on it). On the other hand, you have the *possibility* of a fiscal meltdown that would ruin this country, maybe forever.

Do you roll those dice and risk the future of this country by doing nothing? If you're wrong, and we are ruined forever, you go down in infamy as the folks who destroyed America. Or do you bite the bullet and do what you can to make this a slower, gentler downturn?

Here's an analogy. You catch double pneumonia, both lungs. The doctor tells you that you might die, but you'll probably live. If you do live though, you may never walk again. Now, you've got one credit card. It's got a $1000 limit, and you've already got $900 on the card. Buying some antibiotics for your pneumonia will max out your card, $100. That will greatly reduce the chance that you will die, and there is SOME chance you'll even be able to walk again, if you buy the antibiotics. So, do you buy them, accruing even more debt, to minimize your suffering? Or do you save the extra debt, but increase the chance that you die?

Or another simpler analogy. We're playing Russian Roulette with our future. No way around that, we ARE going to pull the trigger. As the gun is now, two of the six chambers hold a bullet. But for $700 billion, we can take one round out of the gun before we pull the trigger.

 

[dknob]

Read more about fluoride. National Research Council is a credible American source if that is what is required. Yes I know those studies are from India and China, but the evidence comes from everywhere.

Democracy was said to be one of the worst forms of government by Ben Franklin I think. This country was founded as a republic. Democracy was equated to the term MOBocracy, meaning tyranny of the majority, now we spread democracy like it is the new Christianity.

Complaining doesn't cut it, and has not worked for 100 years. People complain and complain and things get much worse. We need the 2nd to remain in tact.

What would I do with a constitution, freedom? I wouldn't be buying a carbon filter, I might be playing in the stock market, I would never be seized at police check points, I might be looking at property, I would not have to distill my water as no money would be alotted to medicate 65% of everyone at the expense of tax dollars. I would consider working for other people instead of working for myself and taking only cash. I wouldn't be stockpiling silver, guns, water, food and vitamins. I wouldn't have to worry so much really. I'd probably be programming shit for a company on the cutting edge of tech. I probably wouldn't have moved from Cali to where im at, I wouldn't spend so much time online, thats for sure. I wouldn't spend the time doing everything I do to prepare and hide. I wouldnt have to feel raped if I choose to work a regular job every paycheck through taxes. Shit I might not even be growing, just going to the local 711. Free markets, and general freedom is tough to imagine, since we've never experienced it.

You are far more passive than I am, I just hope you do your research before you pass judgement. The "norm" in the United States is unacceptable. But I don't think id abandon her now. I want revenge.

The "paranoid" reference was also partially in reference to your signature.

But look, we live in a democracy. It's not perfect, but it means that if you're really angry about something, and no one else cares, tough shit. As long as we have free speech, a free press, and freedom of assembly, then at least we can complain about real problems. And as long as we can vote, then we have the power to change things. Maybe not immediately, and maybe not as much as we would like, but we still have that power.

I mean, seriously, who are you advocating decides what is constitutional and what isn't? Not the judges, whose job it is, but a bunch of armed thugs. You should direct all that anger at something else, or maybe move to Columbia or somewhere else where what you're advocating is the norm.

But really, what would you actually do if you could have all the freedom you wanted to do whatever you wanted? I'm mostly interested in this last question, because I think it has important implications. Is there anything you can't do now that you could do if society was like you wanted it to be?