'If This Bill Doesn't Go Through, We're Going To Have Single Payer..'
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Fogdog
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I'm not changing my support for the universal health care bill.~Lindsay Graham
I will point out that the universal health care bill that Sanders release is used by conservatives to push their truly evil bill through congress. That was Graham's point. It wasn't said to make you feel cozy. This is the concern that very experienced Democratic Party leadership voiced and you Berniebots shit all over. We'll see what happens. I think it will be close. A tossup.
straddle the fence much?
ttystikk
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He likes splinters in his ass...
Fogdog
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The last time they tried to repeal the ACA it came down to one vote. Is Bernie's bill the tipping point for a Republican victory on this? Graham seemed to think so.
That bill to repeal the ACA currently in Congress will literally kill people. I realize that neither of you will be affected by the repeal of the ACA. Only gamble if you can afford to lose. Right?
st0wandgrow
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McCain just came out in opposition to it. I'd say it's dead
SneekyNinja
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It came down to one vote but multiple Republicans voted against it.
If two of those were convinced to get on board it'll pass.
Fogdog
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Yup. May it finally stay dead. The health care "debate" this summer was like a bad horror movie where the monster reappears after everybody thought it was dead and gone.
Only gamble when you can afford to lose is still better advice than "lets take a chance that 1 Republican reverses himself after seeing Bernie's bill."
But still, I'm glad it didn't happen.
st0wandgrow
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True that. Maybe the silver lining will be a fix for the ACA exchanges, or dare I say, the beginning of a push towards universal healthcare (long term)?
Fogdog
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The next step for this administration is to break the ACA through mismanagement. At least that's what Trump has started to do.
Maybe this debate will help shift party control in 2018 or 2020. The math doesn't look good for Democrats taking control in 2018. Not enough Republican seats and too many Democratic seats are up for grabs in the Senate in 2018 to make Democratic control of the Senate much of a possibility. This is going to be a grind.
st0wandgrow
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House is in play though. One of the network news programs the other night had a guest on that said as many as 50 republican seats are up for grabs in 18...
Fogdog
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Polling results say it's possible that Democrats will pick up more than 24 seats. 13 months away from the election anything can happen. Also depends on Democratic party voters turning out. Democrats haven't been getting good turnout in mid-term elections in recent history. Still, poll numbers that simply ask about generic party preferences look good. In the past elections , when generic party preferences are as high as they are today, a wave election unseated between 20 and 60 incumbents in the less favorable party. Of course, these numbers can change over the next 13 months.
http://www.npr.org/2017/07/24/538618779/americans-prefer-democratic-house-candidates-in-2018-for-now
st0wandgrow
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Interesting article. Jesus, the Dems lost 63 seats in the house in 2010?? Holy shit! It would be nice if they could trounce the Repubs like that in 18. Not likely, but it would be nice
Fogdog
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ACA was not popular at all. He lost all Republican crossover votes from 2008 over that. On the Democratic side, people were not happy with Wall St bail outs or that Obama didn't push for universal healthcare and so a lot of them just didn't show up. Also mid-term elections typically go badly for the party in power. It was a perfect storm.
It sounds a lot like what's going on for Republicans. Still, 13 months is a long time in politics
ttystikk
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Every Republican seat in the House is up for grabs every two years. Same for the Democrats. Some seats are much safer than others, thanks to runaway gerrymandering, but everyone has to run.
Democrats historically have trouble in midterms but I doubt next year will follow the trend.
I'm also expecting progressive candidates to begin making some inroads, which could go one of two ways; either they are the leading trickle of a coming flood of Progressives, or the establishment Democrats successfully co-opt them by moving substantially to the left themselves.
SneekyNinja
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Omfg...
Democrats already support all the positions you propose ya dumb cuck.
There's plenty of progressive Democrats but they're also methodical in what they do because symbolic bills and lip service are not progress.