Good, we are now using the same set of facts. This might get easier.
First, I make no excuses anywhere, especially in my preceding posts. So fuck that bit.
I'm challenging your assertion about some significance to 16% of white male Democrats who voted for Trump or a third party. Of course, you'd want us to focus on white males, but I'll just let that one alone right now. The number I quoted was 11% of all Democrats voted for Trump or a third party. That's more significant than the subset of a subset of voters that is bigger proportionally but is smaller in number. Do you see why statistics are confusing?
If you are going to somehow make this a nationwide indictment about Democrats, I challenge the validity. Very few of those Democrats voted in the districts that mattered. Probably more important is how many independents or non affiliated voters in key districts voted for Trump. And, no excuses, Clinton failed to attract enough voters in those districts to win.
Just give it up, man. This dog won't hunt.
This post is self contradictory; first you say that Democrats may or may not have voted for Mrs Clinton but you can't be sure because the available statistics are 'confusing'.
Then you say that Mrs Clinton failed to attract enough voters to win.
Finally you tell me to give it up because the dog won't hunt.
I'm not confused; Mrs Clinton lost to the most unpopular winning candidate in modern American history. The only question left to ask is why her campaign was even less popular.
But y'all aren't asking that question. Like the rest of the Democratic Party, you're doing anything but.
Bernie answered it. Denial is the first step. Acceptance is the last.
11% of Democratic voters would be roughly 6.5 million votes, or enough to utterly swamp the margin of victory as well as Mrs Clinton's margin of the popular vote.
But low turnout was also a big factor, which itself screams the truth about the unpopularity of both candidates. To equal the turnout rate of 2008, another 18 million votes would have needed to participate. That's also significant.
The bottom line is that the Democratic bar did not feel like their party was with voting for. Many stayed home. Many others voted for the Chump.
I think it's time to not only focus on why, but to take those lessons to heart and remake the Democratic Party accordingly- but I'm seeing precious little evidence of any such activity within the party, or it's supporters.
That's why I'm organizing with progressive groups. Of all the political organizations now in play in America, they seem to me to be the ones most responsive to the actual needs of their constituents.
This is my way of being part of the solution, although I'm the first to admit my cynicism about the overall situation.