I've read everything still need help

[im4satori]

I just foliar sprayed my plants with fulvic acid...LOL.. talking so much about it you know.. LOL

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I would drink it if it was pure for human version.

fu7lvic is awesome

I use it when im worried im worried about micro nute def cuz it helps chelation

 

[Buba Blend]

I just took a look at an old bottle of tiger bloom. Saw something I never noticed before.
The %'s show there is no calcium in it.
The 1st ingredient is Calcium Nitrate.
I'm not knowledgeable about calcium nitrate. Is there calcium in it?
I did google:
And got:
What is calcium nitrate fertilizer?
Haifa Cal™ is a range of water soluble calcium nitrate fertilizers, which are highly efficient sources of available calcium and nitrogen for plants under all growth conditions.

 

[im4satori]

I just took a look at an old bottle of tiger bloom. Saw something I never noticed before.
The %'s show there is no calcium in it.
The 1st ingredient is Calcium Nitrate.
I'm not knowledgeable about calcium nitrate. Is there calcium in it?
I did google:
And got:
What is calcium nitrate fertilizer?
Haifa Cal™ is a range of water soluble calcium nitrate fertilizers, which are highly efficient sources of available calcium and nitrogen for plants under all growth conditions.
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that's why it drives me bonkers when they don't list the shit on the label

I don't buy shit don't don't list ingredients and amounts absolutely first rule!

but yes if theres calcium nitrate in the "derived from" then theres calcium in it that they aren't listing...

 

[im4satori]

weve all watched the tv show "shark tank" and seen the business start ups peeps cringe when the shark says the words

"theres nothing proprietary about your product, I'M OUT"

well your fertilizer company wants to fool you into thinking that there gear has something special about it that makes it better than allll the others... so they leave as much as they can get away with off the label as if they got some secret ingredient or blend
usually these are the same brands that make claims of huge yields and they often separate there fertilizers into as many bottles as they can to increase the cost for more profits

if the average consumer understood the information (which the industry intentionally makes confusing) theyd say
"IM OUT" on the notion that im going to spend too much money on hype and advertising and "branding"

fertilizer is just a blend of minerals found/mined from the ground, the information has been scientifically documented for 100 years and the only difference between brands is how they separate the mineral amounts amongst each bottle

all the rest is advertising

theres also a long history of brands also adding and not listing cancer causing banded hormones in there products to push up the yields like steroids for your plant and got caught!... these are the same guys that leave shit off the labels... its shady shady shady

 

[im4satori]

theres a math formula that's used that formulates the volume of water with the % of the individual nutrient that will calculate what the actual ppm of the element will be

im not smart enough to do all the math so I use a calculator that does it for me!


if your fertilizer npk % numbers are 4-8-7 and theyre derived from water soluble salts like

calcium nitrate
magnesium nitrate
potassium nitrate
potassium sulfate
magnesium sulfate

and so on and on.....

then you use the calculator to convert the % amounts

for example;

7mls per gallon of a liquid fertilizer 4-8-7 yields

N 74 ppm
P 65 ppm
K 107 ppm


so other than the % amounts listed there all the same basic shit

and most are based on a few basic principals written studied and documented for 70 years known as the lucas formula or the Hoagland formula or stiener formula

lucas formula

N 75ppm
P 75 ppm
K 150ppm

Hoagland

N100ppmk
P50ppm
K 150ppm

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I started using popsicle sticks. Write a note on the stick put it in the pot. I have a bunch ready to reuse with various notes on them like C=curled leaves p= praying to the lights. T= thirsty D - droopy F = leaves are flat.
@Johnei thanks!
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If they did @Go go n chill they go with the other post.

Good idea. When I grew my plants as one canopy I used to stick a marker in the pots that didn't need water that day.

Now with my perpetual I have to keep track of many different age plants so I write on the back of a plant stake tag the sprout date. The 1 gallon transplant date. The 3 gallon transplant date and the date they start 12/12.

Has been very helpful to have the info handy at the plant.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I just foliar sprayed my plants with fulvic acid...LOL.. talking so much about it you know.. LOL

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I would drink it if it was pure for human version.

The natural health market is all over fulvic as a dietary supplement.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

theres a math formula that's used that formulates the volume of water with the % of the individual nutrient that will calculate what the actual ppm of the element will be

im not smart enough to do all the math so I use a calculator that does it for me!


if your fertilizer npk % numbers are 4-8-7 and theyre derived from water soluble salts like

calcium nitrate
magnesium nitrate
potassium nitrate
potassium sulfate
magnesium sulfate

and so on and on.....

then you use the calculator to convert the % amounts

for example;

7mls per gallon of a liquid fertilizer 4-8-7 yields

N 74 ppm
P 65 ppm
K 107 ppm


so other than the % amounts listed there all the same basic shit

and most are based on a few basic principals written studied and documented for 70 years known as the lucas formula or the Hoagland formula or stiener formula

lucas formula

N 75ppm
P 75 ppm
K 150ppm

Hoagland

N100ppmk
P50ppm
K 150ppm

Great posts!

Did you see the Dyna grow president's interview on the dude Grows show.

He tells what cannabais actually needs from his lab testing and that he produced the bloom bottle to meet consumer demand rather than what plants need.

He says foliage pro and silica all the way through.

I have posted this around lately but I think it would be useful here.

 

[im4satori]

steiner is the lesser known of the 3 but I mention him for his work on explaining the cation or balance between potassium, calcium, and magnesium as being a 3:2:1 ratio (in hydro)

for example

Hoagland npk + stiener K:Ca:Mg would look like this

100pp N
50 ppm P
150 ppm K
100ppm Ca
50ppm Mg

and then diluted to your target EC

 

[im4satori]

so the nutrient company will often separate the calcium and some magnesium into the "calmag" so depending on whats in your source water you can balance the cation between the K in your fertilizer and the calcium in your source water and the amount of calmag you require to make it all balance into the 3:2:1 ratio

 

[im4satori]

few

finally to my point

so if the brand doesn't list the calcium or magnesium or any other essential element ... its impossible to anticipate the cation or balance between the amount of K in the fertilizer and the amount of supplemental calcium and magnesium you need by way of Epsom salt for magnesium (magnesium sulfate) or in this case calmag for calcium

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

so the nutrient company will often separate the calcium and some magnesium into the "calmag" so depending on whats in your source water you can balance the cation between the K in your fertilizer and the calcium in your source water and the amount of calmag you require to make it all balance into the 3:2:1 ratio

Yes they sure do. But in soil the ratio does not matter as much and if you know your water alkalinity and how it reacts with your nutes and medium so over time you don't make your medium alkaline or acidic it will all balance out.

The soil takes care of its own cation exchange as long as you haven't clogged the roots with too many minerals.

I learned somewhere around here today from a chart that common ph down will cause problems with iron uptake. I guess because it's potassium based.

Sorry I can't remember where and who posted. I bounce around too much.

Another reason to not ph when not needed.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

few

finally to my point

so if the brand doesn't list the calcium or magnesium or any other essential element ... its impossible to anticipate the cation or balance between the amount of K in the fertilizer and the amount of supplemental calcium and magnesium you need by way of Epsom salt for magnesium (magnesium sulfate) or in this case calmag for calcium

I think you meant Whew!

Cause that's what I said when I finished reading.

Good info.

 

[im4satori]

yes

its less important for it to be spot on in soil because of the buffering and to some degree maybe in coco or peat theres some minor buffering

but a soil grow will be less likely to end up with excess accumulation (requiring less flushing ) of this or that salt if the mix is somewhat balanced +/- a larger degree compared to hydro

so I would still suggest something close even in soil unless your amending organics then its a whole different thing

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

yes

its less important for it to be spot on in soil because of the buffering and to some degree maybe in coco or peat theres some minor buffering

but a soil grow will be less likely to end up with excess accumulation (requiring less flushing ) of this or that salt if the mix is somewhat balanced +/- a larger degree compared to hydro

so I would still suggest something close even in soil unless your amending organics then its a whole different thing

I said soil but I meant peat /bark based potting mix.

 

[Go go n chill]

theres a math formula that's used that formulates the volume of water with the % of the individual nutrient that will calculate what the actual ppm of the element will be

im not smart enough to do all the math so I use a calculator that does it for me!


if your fertilizer npk % numbers are 4-8-7 and theyre derived from water soluble salts like

calcium nitrate
magnesium nitrate
potassium nitrate
potassium sulfate
magnesium sulfate

and so on and on.....

then you use the calculator to convert the % amounts

for example;

7mls per gallon of a liquid fertilizer 4-8-7 yields

N 74 ppm
P 65 ppm
K 107 ppm


so other than the % amounts listed there all the same basic shit

and most are based on a few basic principals written studied and documented for 70 years known as the lucas formula or the Hoagland formula or stiener formula

lucas formula

N 75ppm
P 75 ppm
K 150ppm

Hoagland

N100ppmk
P50ppm
K 150ppm

The green bottle is a veg fert and the brown is a tea, the Orange is there bloom builder from grow shop. Dosages are 1/2 to 2 tsp..... I gave 1/4 a couple of times and 1/2 once I think. The super green leaves are subsiding. The spots are still lingering on three plants but getting better on the one that I gave an extra dose of calmagic, it had very little clawing and no deep green leaves.
Thanks for reading.

 

[cindysid]

Good idea. When I grew my plants as one canopy I used to stick a marker in the pots that didn't need water that day.

Now with my perpetual I have to keep track of many different age plants so I write on the back of a plant stake tag the sprout date. The 1 gallon transplant date. The 3 gallon transplant date and the date they start 12/12.

Has been very helpful to have the info handy at the plant.

I do the same thing along with a big hanging tag on the individual plant cage with strain and probable harvest date. That way I can see it from across the room since the aisle is sometimes too narrow to navigate.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I do the same thing along with a big hanging tag on the individual plant cage with strain and probable harvest date. That way I can see it from across the room since the aisle is sometimes too narrow to navigate.

Nice. I still kneel on the floor and slide the plants around and rotate them around so they all get plenty of both lamps I am using. A mh and an hps.

But when I build my basement room (it's an open rustic basement that needs insulation and heat still) I am going to be able to walk around and leave the plants alone.

I might just keep a small pocket size notebook at each plant if I still have them at all stages of flower. Hanging for convenience like your tags.

Then I would have all the info in one place. Hmmmm.......

My backs a hurtin' from working my little spare bedroom.

I do love working close up with all my bushes. I don't miss much this way.

 

[Go go n chill]

ok I browsed you journal

theres not enough info on your nutes to be helpful

that's where you problem lies... I believe your fertilizier is out

youll need to list the npk % amounts for the fertilizers your using

then I will also need the calcium and magnesium % amounts for each
and I need to know the iron and where the micros nutes are

it might be easier to post pics of the labels that list the % info and what its derived from if it says

Nice. I still kneel on the floor and slide the plants around and rotate them around so they all get plenty of both lamps I am using. A mh and an hps.

But when I build my basement room (it's an open rustic basement that needs insulation and heat still) I am going to be able to walk around and leave the plants alone.

I might just keep a small pocket size notebook at each plant if I still have them at all stages of flower. Hanging for convenience like your tags.

Then I would have all the info in one place. Hmmmm.......

My backs a hurtin' from working my little spare bedroom.

I do love working close up with all my bushes. I don't miss much this way.

this is my first grow! You guys and gals are talking about walking down isles looking across the room at plants. Im so far from that where I live, different planet.

 

[Buba Blend]

Nice. I still kneel on the floor and slide the plants around and rotate them around so they all get plenty of both lamps I am using. A mh and an hps.

But when I build my basement room (it's an open rustic basement that needs insulation and heat still) I am going to be able to walk around and leave the plants alone.

I might just keep a small pocket size notebook at each plant if I still have them at all stages of flower. Hanging for convenience like your tags.

Then I would have all the info in one place. Hmmmm.......

My backs a hurtin' from working my little spare bedroom.

I do love working close up with all my bushes. I don't miss much this way.

this is my first grow! You guys and gals are talking about walking down isles looking across the room at plants. Im so far from that where I live, different planet.

Yeah. your thread is being used as a chat room. That's a good thing. When you speak up about a problem we will all stop and listen and you will have a lot of responders.
I got these at Walmart a few years ago. $7.50 apiece. Hold up great. Makes moving my plants in 3 or 5 gallon easier.