4x8 or 5x9 Gorilla Tent and Yield?

cookie master

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How are you waiting if you are the one providing medicine for cancer patients? They are suffering without you dr. I offered you good advice, 5x9 and 3 x lec/. the guy in your own example got 1.5 lb off 3x lec and you said you wanted 2.5x that? Now since the situation changed id suggest looking outdoors, its the season... the guy mentioned 4x4 in a 5 x5 is because the walls suck in, and if they didnt the extra space may be better used for airflow than stuffing in buds that turn moldy.
 
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How are you waiting if you are the one providing medicine for cancer patients? They are suffering without you dr. I offered you good advice, 5x9 and 3 x lec/. the guy in your own example got 1.5 lb off 3x lec and you said you wanted 2.5x that? Now since the situation changed id suggest looking outdoors, its the season... the guy mentioned 4x4 in a 5 x5 is because the walls suck in, and if they didnt the extra space may be better used for airflow than stuffing in buds that turn moldy.
Well, aren't you just a necessary evil.....
 

PlantPlasma

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I think now is a good time for me to create an account and chime in. I'm on my second grow ever, using a 5x9 gorilla grow tent. I have 3x 400 watt (420 actual watts per light, 1,240 watts total.) Cost is $71 per month in electricity for the 3 lights and I do not have any cooling costs. I am growing in a Coco and perlite mixture and am using the entire advanced line.

I mean, the entire line... Coco grow part A, B, big bud, bud factor X, all microbes, etc. Too much to list right now, but literally ever flipping bottle. I'm on day 21 of flower. I switched on 4/12. I'm doing "advanced growing techniques" (just takes more thought) such as fimming, staking, defoliating, super cropping, lollipopping, and foliar feeding with fog.

I will gladly discuss my opinions on cost, what I've spent all together, what I'm going to potentially yield, how it was paid for etc. But any direct attacks on any method will be promptly ignored. I have reasons of doing every single thing I'm doing. Questions are welcome. Blatant "that's stupid" comments do nothing. I will explain what I think, and if your method is better, then absolutely I'd love to hear it and use it myself. I think this is working for me, and I'm jazzed about it. Let's be civil.

But I'm on day 21 and have 11 huge plants in my tent. The lights are hooked up to a light mover and the whole tent has even light distribution. Temps are a stable 92° when sealed (this is possible due to the led lights, co2, and proper nutrients.) This is my second grow ever (first one was removed forcibly, so that was fun.) Ignore anybody that says you can't do anything you desire you can. I got this whole setup piece by piece and put everything together myself. You can do it if you desire. I started with the goal of saying "I want to grow the best weed in the world." And now I say "I am going to grow the best weed in the world." It's not arrogance, it's an optimistic goal. Shoot for the highest you can possibly get. There is no reason to try anything different. Ignore anybody that says you don't have the capability to do the thing your motivation is saying you need to do.

My plants smell incredible (thank you advanced nutrients bud candy and bud factor X), look incredible (rhino skin, voodoo juice etc,) and with the power output I'm using I expect a minimum of 1 gram per watt, which is 1,260 grams or 45oz, or 2.8 pounds. These lights have been shown to produce up to 1.7g per watt, or 2,142g, 76.5oz, 4.78 pounds. Depending on your skills they could go higher with proper techniques. The closeup is my Atomic Northern Lights.

Plant strains are: Key lime Pie, Orange fruity pebbles, #10 (unique hybrid), blue Skittles, Mendo, inner chi, Suzy Q-high cbd small girl in far back left under netting, AOC (no idea what this acronym means. I keep meaning to call my source and ask her lol.), Atomic Northern Lights, Royal Orange, and midnight fire. I'm having fun, the plants are having fun. I had the idea that I could infused them with the energy that's contained in sound. So I play music for them ever moment. Mixtures of reggae, classical, some heavy metal, etc. A huge mix of people and thought and cool processes of energy. I've got a lot of ideas. I'll probably do a grow log. But I did this for the OP.

Here is my advice if you desire it.
-Make a goal
-think about the steps that need to happen to make that real
-ignore haters
-do the thing.

I've got a lot of pictures. And reasons why I chose this specific led. And how it was all thought together. We've still got a few things to solidify. Like plant spacing and a few other things. But I'm going to grow the best weed in the world. And that definition can be brought to just say "I'm going to grow the best weed in my world." This is already far passed my expectations for them at this stage. It can only get better as they grow and mature. And at the end of the day, I can do this over and over and over. These lights will last 5+ years and still maintain 80% of their original output. Hps and metal halide for example lose roughly 30% of their power within a few months I believe. But don't quote me directly on that. I can get exact numbers later. Just look into blackdog led, they have an obscene amount of data and information on their site.

I started with a cheep tent off eBay. And had to return it. Trust me, go for the big boy. You are going to be using this over and over. Get the biggest you can afford. I got my 5x9 gorilla tent for $730 I believe. Each black dog led was $1,109 for a total light cost of $3,327 and I haven't regretted any portion of the cost. Ignore haters, do it over and over, have fun.

I think now would be a good time to say that I've been scouring the internet for years reading about every detail of this process that i could find. I still have a lot to explore but I've done some great things thus far. I can likely help to find the answer to most questions you could have and I love talking about this so let's grow the best weed humans have ever created. I think I have a general (and sometimes fairly specific) understanding of nearly every aspect of this process. If you find the previous statement to be arrogant, I refer you to my statement of "any negative comments will be promptly ignored". I'm here to help, learn, and share this cool thing I've put together.

That big zoomed out picture that shows all the plants is way outdated as well. I'll upload a current one during lights on period.

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PlantPlasma

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I cut most of them off. Defoliation is one of the techniques I'm implementing. The first picture is on 4/23/17 of Royal orange (day 9 of flower), and the second one is of it today 5/4/17 so day 22 of flower. I'm going to be defoliating them again as well. I just got the midnight fire last night actually to free up space. Fan leaves appear to be unnecessary for the plant to produce well in a controlled environment. Cutting off the fan leaves allowed for more and better light penetration, better air flow, less trimming for future me, etc. There's lots of ideas and conflict surrounding defoliation. So far, I'd say it's worked very well for me.

I did notice that the defoliation stunted the growth slightly. And maybe the plant was forced to redistribute the energy to creating new leaves instead of buds. Bud again it appears to do that very quickly and I have so much more room now. Plus it's all just much tidier when they're slimmed down. I get to focus on just the buds, rather than a forest of leaf.

I'm not growing it at the end of the day for the fan leaves. I'm growing it for the buds. So thinking with the end in mind, I don't want to have to trim off double, or even triple what I'm going to have to trim. So I'm doing it now. The plants appear to enjoy this haircut and have produced smaller fan leaves that I believe are sufficient.

The argument I keep getting is "the plant wouldn't have them if they weren't necessary!" "Mimic nature as much as possible!"

I can't think of anything less "nature-like" than a hydro (fogger technically) setup, and all my other plants love those. As per the "it needs them!" Argument. I'll refer you to the appendix, tonsils, wisdom teeth, and male nipples.

Another thing I've noticed doing my night inspections with my super handy dandy green LED headlamp is that the plants produce way better trichome wise at night. The difference is literally night and day. I've read a lot about people leaving it in darkness for extended periods of time before harvest, but that was unfortunately all anecdotal and first person. I have seen it first hand and will be experimenting with it.

The reason why I don't use anecdotal or first person information as my go to source, is because usually it's incorrect. We can argue all day about the light spectrum, par readings, and other aspects of lighting. But I know how analytical I am, and there's a reason I went with my led setup. I dissected every single led company from top to bottom. Altogether I've probably spent 100 hours speaking to blackdog led and asking for tips and advice. They are an amazing company. I'm not sure if that statement is allowed, some forums it's not. I hope it's understood that this isn't an advertisement, I'm merely giving a good review of an investment I've made.

HPS and metal hallide were not designed to grow plants. Nor were ceramic metal hallide, or double ended, etc. They produce too much heat, use too much electricity, have a spectrum that leaves the plants wanting more, etc. They don't contain any form of UV, or IR light, and a slew of other reasons.

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PlantPlasma

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The atomic northern lights is by far the fastest producing strain out of all of them. Today is day 22 of flower and I'd say she's looking pretty good.

The scrog net is going to be removed at some point. I wanted to do them throughout veg but time constraints made me decide to flower a little sooner than I wanted to. I've still gotta go trim up the dead leaves that are lurking around, and do some tidying up IMG_20170504_125855833.jpg IMG_20170504_125832021.jpg IMG_20170504_125839665.jpg
 

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Altered State

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Three 600's in a 4 x 8 with 6 plants should give 8 to 12 oz plants with 4 or 5 weeks veg

The limiting factor will be your lack of indoor experience

I pull 3lbs from four plants in a 4 x 6 with two 600's and 800w in leds 4 weeks veg and 12 weeks flower.
 

PlantPlasma

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You are indeed getting good results altered. With those numbers you're using 2,000watts. With a goal of 1 gram per watt at least the number breaks down to 2,000 grams, 71oz, and 4.46lbs. Your current results are 1,344 grams (3lbs), or 0.67g per watt which is great results. I don't think a lack of experience holds anyone back. I have virtually no experience and as the close-ups show my darlings are doing quite well.

Before anyone begins a grow with hps, mh, CMH, or led, you may want to chat with me first. What I lack in physical experience, I greatly make up for in information. You will get good results any way you do it. But there are modifications you can make to the standard way that will give you results that others will tell you are impossible.
 

Altered State

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the light bill was small I varied the wattage during the grow when averaged out its around 1200 watts a month , first month was a 600w hps , 2nd month added in two led panels , 3rd both 600's and 5 170w draw panels with the last two or three weeks using 950w in led only no hps.
I have not done the math.

This grow plan to use all led due to the summer heat
 
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PlantPlasma

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the light bill was small I varied the wattage during the grow when averaged out its less then 900 watts a month , first month was hps the 2nd a few led panels the part of the 3rd the rest of the panels with last two weeks led only.
I'm curious why you didn't choose a specific method and stick to it all throughout
 

Altered State

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You are indeed getting good results altered. With those numbers you're using 2,000watts. With a goal of 1 gram per watt at least the number breaks down to 2,000 grams, 71oz, and 4.46lbs. Your current results are 1,344 grams (3lbs), or 0.67g per watt which is great results. I don't think a lack of experience holds anyone back. I have virtually no experience and as the close-ups show my darlings are doing quite well.

Before anyone begins a grow with hps, mh, CMH, or led, you may want to chat with me first. What I lack in physical experience, I greatly make up for in information. You will get good results any way you do it. But there are modifications you can make to the standard way that will give you results that others will tell you are impossible.
Hey plantPlasma how many watts did you go with ?
 

Altered State

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I'm curious why you didn't choose a specific method and stick to it all throughout
When the plants are young the footprint allows for less wattage yet still provide full lighting as the plants grow lights are added in.

I like to conserve where possible and blast when needed its how i keep my electric bill in check.
 

PlantPlasma

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Hey plantPlasma how many watts did you go with ?
I am using 3x Phytomax 400's that each pull 420 watts for a total of 1,260 watts.

And electricity costs, ah yes. That was an interesting decision I made as well. Yours was made in method, mine was made in hardware. I'd love to see some pictures if you have any
 

PlantPlasma

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I had high hopes in the beginning, I have family and friends that could use it and I tried to do too much at one time so to speak. One with glaucoma, another with chronic pain, etc...
Had a cousin pass from cancer not too long ago, pretty sure CBD oil could have helped her.
Yeah, now it's back to the reality of things and walking before running.

Thanks again.
I refer you to all my previous posts. Fortune typically favors the bold.

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