Why do Canadians live longer than Americans?

vostok

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Canadians are outliving Americans. Is public healthcare the secret to longevity?

When Erick Bauer was first diagnosed with cystic fibrosis (CF) as an infant, his parents were told

he'd be lucky to make it to his 20th birthday.

Now turning 32 and expecting his first child, Mr Bauer attributes his relatively good health

to the close relationship he has with his medical team at St Michael's Hospital in Toronto,

which he says helps him maintain a healthy and active lifestyle.

He takes about 60 pills a day to help control the hereditary disease, which can affect the lungs,

pancreas and gastro-intestinal tract.

"For all those younger CF patients who live with the disease right now, it is really important

to just keep searching for that cure or that control for that disease,"

he told the BBC. "That is my hope for the future."

Life expectancy for cystic fibrosis patients has increased much faster in Canada than it has in the US,

a new study published this month in the Annals of Internal Medicine found.

Canadians living with cystic fibrosis lived on average 10 years longer than Americans with the same disease,

in part because of the very different healthcare systems in the two countries, the study found.

When severity of disease, age and other variables were taken into account,

Canadians had a 34% lower death rate than American patients overall.

US patients with private insurance had a similar life expectancy as their Canadian counterparts,

whereas Canadians had a 44% lower death rate than Americans on Medicaid.

The uninsured fared the worst - Canadians had a 77% lower death rate than Americans

who had no insurance at all.

"I think there may be some sort of inherent differences in the systems themselves,

but teasing it out is hard," says Dr Anne Stephenson, lead author of the study

and a researcher at St Michael's Hospital.

The results of the study did not come as a surprise to Michelle Brotherwood, a registered dietician

who spent years working with children with cystic fibrosis in Canada and the US.

Ms Brotherwood spent three years working in a cystic fibrosis clinic in Los Angeles,

after working at Dr Stephenson's clinic in Toronto.

The differences, she says, were striking.

"In Canada, I make clinical decisions. I look at their case and I decide whether or not they would

benefit from meeting with me. There, the decision is driven by their insurance," she says.

Ms Brotherwood says she had to forgo seeing patients who were in real need,

just because they did not have the coverage.

Sometimes, she'd consult with patients who were thriving and did not necessarily need

a dietician, simply because their plan covered it.

Even when they were insured, high co-pays meant that some families had to reduce the

amount of medication they used, or avoid going to the hospital, she says.

Many researchers have suggested that this profit motive, and the strain it puts on families,

may be to blame for the average lower life expectancy in the US.

Although the decade-long Canadian advantage seen in cystic fibrosis study is striking,

numerous studies have shown that Canadians tend to outlive their American counterparts.

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), Canadians live almost three years longer

than Americans overall.

This difference can be observed in a variety of diseases.

Dr PJ Devereaux, a researcher at McMaster University, says that studies of patients with end-stage

renal failure show that Canadians live longer than Americans because the quality of care is better.

He says for-profit health clinics in the US spend more on marketing, and less on qualified staff.

"You do not have to be a healthcare expert to recognise that a huge determinate of how you or your

loved one will do depends on the quality" of healthcare providers, Dr Devereaux says.


JJ Whicker’s son (left) was diagnosed with cystic fibrosis shortly after being born

But Erin Strumpf, who researches public health at McGill University in Montreal, says it is not so simple.

With so many factors affecting health, such as lifestyle and genetics, it can be difficult to draw broad

conclusions about why Canadians live longer. Rates of obesity and smoking, and socioeconomic factors

may all impact the different outcomes we see in the US.

"People like the explanation of universal health coverage; people like the explanation of more

redistributive social programmes," she says.

"But it is a challenging thing, to really understand what causes those differences."

A 2007 joint-study between the Centre of Disease Control and Statistics Canadafound that health

outcomes were fairly similar between both countries, with most citizens reporting good health.

However, Americans with the lowest income were more likely to report health problems than

Canadians (31% v 23%), and when Americans complained of unmet health needs,

they were more likely to cite cost as a reason. Canadians were more likely to cite waiting times.

For Ms Brotherwood, the move back to Canada has been a relief, not because the doctors in Los Angeles

were anything but excellent, but because she says she grew tired of spending so much energy fighting with

insurance companies, instead of providing care.

"Kids would say to me, or teenagers or young adults,

'My family is bankrupt because of my cystic fibrosis,'" she says.

That is something JJ Whicker hopes his son, who was diagnosed with cystic fibrosis shortly after being

born last year, will never have to face.

A graduate student in Utah, Mr Whicker was concerned he'd have to quit school.

But he has been relieved to find that Medicaid covers almost all of his son's needs.

As the US government weighs changes to the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and Medicaid,

he says he is worried about what the future will hold for families like his who rely on federal

programmes to save their children's lives.

"It is something I think about often," he says.

(http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39410236)

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vostok

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very 'commie' of me to

demand free health care and education for life

for all

regardless of skin color or bank balance

but...there are capitalists that will ride both bikes at once

grossly overcharging their peers and fiddling the books

to make it seem less is more
 

ttystikk

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Canadians don't have the south where they fry everything in oil.
Canadians enjoy lower rates of obesity.

Did you know that in America, obesity is strongly correlated with poverty?

On average, Americans are the fattest citizens in the world by a wide margin.

That margin is getting wider as we sit in front of computers, binge watch Netflix, play videogames for days on end and eat cheap sugary garbage masquerading as food.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/weight-and-social-mobility-taking-the-long-view-on-childhood-obesity/
 

schuylaar

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Canadians enjoy lower rates of obesity.

Did you know that in America, obesity is strongly correlated with poverty?

On average, Americans are the fattest citizens in the world by a wide margin.

That margin is getting wider as we sit in front of computers, binge watch Netflix, play videogames for days on end and eat cheap sugary garbage masquerading as food.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/weight-and-social-mobility-taking-the-long-view-on-childhood-obesity/
It actually has more to do with the correlation between poverty and poverty.

If it's all you can afford?
 

tampee

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Canadians enjoy lower rates of obesity.

Did you know that in America, obesity is strongly correlated with poverty?

On average, Americans are the fattest citizens in the world by a wide margin.

That margin is getting wider as we sit in front of computers, binge watch Netflix, play videogames for days on end and eat cheap sugary garbage masquerading as food.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/weight-and-social-mobility-taking-the-long-view-on-childhood-obesity/
Yeah the south east is pretty poor and the most obese in the nation. The younger generations are going to have it worse we use to fuck around all over town as a kid. These days kids hang out indoors way too much look at @UncleBuck he's on RIU all day every day. Something tells me he's on the fluffy side.
 

Justin-case

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Yeah the south east is pretty poor and the most obese in the nation. The younger generations are going to have it worse we use to fuck around all over town as a kid. These days kids hang out indoors way too much look at @UncleBuck he's on RIU all day every day. Something tells me he's on the fluffy side.

Lol, Colorado has some the lowest obesity rates in the country, idiot.
Altough, I am willing to bet your fat fuck wifey is over three hundred, and your just a wimpy little tooth pick.
 

blu3bird

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It actually has more to do with the correlation between poverty and poverty.

If it's all you can afford?
Eating somewhat healthy isn't that expensive though. A bag of frozen chicken breasts and a bag of brown rice doesn't even cost $10 where I grocery shop, I can have supper for a week straight from those two things.

I know where I'm at also, the farmers markets accept food cards or ebt or whatever they are called, it's 2 for 1 on everything, that is a killer deal.

People need to learn to shop smarter with their money.
 

ttystikk

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Eating somewhat healthy isn't that expensive though. A bag of frozen chicken breasts and a bag of brown rice doesn't even cost $10 where I grocery shop, I can have supper for a week straight from those two things.

I know where I'm at also, the farmers markets accept food cards or ebt or whatever they are called, it's 2 for 1 on everything, that is a killer deal.

People need to learn to shop smarter with their money.
This is an excellent point.
 

ttystikk

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Lol, Colorado has some the lowest obesity rates in the country, idiot.
Altough, I am willing to bet your fat fuck wifey is over three hundred, and your just a wimpy little tooth pick.
Colorado is THE fittest state in the country. However, if you took today's obesity rate and compared it to ten years ago, we'd be dead last behind Mississippi.

THAT'S how fast America is getting fatter.
 

blu3bird

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This is an excellent point.
Thanks mang, yeah I know the farmers markets are seasonal, but if you're using a food card, every dollar is worth two dollars there. JACKPOT!!
People could stock up on vegetables and can them and eat real good, plus they'd be supporting local farmers, that is win/win in my opinion.

Sometimes I don't uderstand how less fortunate/poor folks haven't figured out how to make the most out of their limited resources. I'm not implying they all don't know how to though.
 

HAF2

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Portion size has to have a lot to do with it too.

If you compare the restaurant portions from an American and Canadian restaurant, the American one is often double the size. I have to assume that these huge and excessive portions also carry over into someone's at-home cooking.

When eating out in the states, I often can't get through half of what they serve.

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