ttystikk
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Anything you feel is relevant, of course!
Drugs in War, from Vikings to today
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SneekyNinja
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Your experience is stupid, and anecdotal.
Just cos your mom was a piss, puke and shit cleaner doesn't mean shit.
choomer
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Well there are "go pills" :
dextroamphetamines - more commonly known as 'Speed', but referred to as 'Go Pills' within the USAF - to its pilots to ensure they remained alert long after tiredness and fatigue should have started to impinge on mental performance.
Although the benefits of such drugs have been rendered ideal, the side effects, including confusion, delusions, auditory hallucinations, aggression and, in extreme cases, psychotic behaviour, represent a disposition that is hardly ideal for a person in charge of a multimillion-dollar war machine. This is best evidenced by an incident in April 2002, in which US pilots became involved in a friendly fire incident over Tarnak Farms, Afghanistan, while under the influence of Dexedrine. Four Canadian soldiers died in the accident.
DMAA:Although the benefits of such drugs have been rendered ideal, the side effects, including confusion, delusions, auditory hallucinations, aggression and, in extreme cases, psychotic behaviour, represent a disposition that is hardly ideal for a person in charge of a multimillion-dollar war machine. This is best evidenced by an incident in April 2002, in which US pilots became involved in a friendly fire incident over Tarnak Farms, Afghanistan, while under the influence of Dexedrine. Four Canadian soldiers died in the accident.
The US Army sought to follow the USAF's lead regarding the use of performance enhancing drugs by investigating Dimethylamine (DMAA), a performance enhancing supplement registered on the World Anti-Doping Agency's banned substance list. Investigations were under way until the supplement was pulled from the shelves, having been linked with the deaths of two soldiers in December 2011 while undergoing a routine training drill.
Supplements containing DMAA grew in popularity due to their premise of increasing stamina and performance, particularly in preparation for gruelling physical challenges. The drug captured headlines in the UK after it was linked to the death of 30-year old Claire Squires, who died of cardiac failure having run 25 miles of the 26.2 mile London Marathon course.
DARPA study:Supplements containing DMAA grew in popularity due to their premise of increasing stamina and performance, particularly in preparation for gruelling physical challenges. The drug captured headlines in the UK after it was linked to the death of 30-year old Claire Squires, who died of cardiac failure having run 25 miles of the 26.2 mile London Marathon course.
The comments regarding the US DoD's interest in stimulants harks back to DARPA's Peak Soldier Performance Programme, which in 2004 sought a biochemical approach that would allow a soldier to operate in theatre for up to five days without requiring sustenance. In pursuit of this, no stone or genome was left unturned.
DARPA's approach included investigations into endurance-building nutrients that could be taken in the lead-up to deployment, while also lowering a soldier's core temperature and boosting his or her mitochondria. Mitochondria are effectively a cell's power supply, fuelling it by converting sugars into chemical energy. Oxford University biochemists sought ways in which mitochondria could be altered genetically to have them feed off fat-based ketones, leading to much smaller, ketone-based rations being capable of not only keeping soldiers on their feet, but having them operate at their peak for days at a time. Initial laboratory tests demonstrated that rats given the treatment were able to run for extended periods of time.
Other approaches include altering a soldier's metabolism to reduce the need to feed, lowering body temperatures during strenuous activities, so that less energy was exerted, and even caffeinated gum, which would provide a quick energy boost in times of dire need, was experimented with. The idea, as one DARPA official informed Wired, was not to create Supermen, but to make it so that "these kids could perform at their peak, stay at their peak, and come home to their families."
Anything more than that is probably classified and unavailable to the public, but the study above would seem to suggest that in addition to GMO's we'll have GMS(oldiers)'s next and what could go wrong?DARPA's approach included investigations into endurance-building nutrients that could be taken in the lead-up to deployment, while also lowering a soldier's core temperature and boosting his or her mitochondria. Mitochondria are effectively a cell's power supply, fuelling it by converting sugars into chemical energy. Oxford University biochemists sought ways in which mitochondria could be altered genetically to have them feed off fat-based ketones, leading to much smaller, ketone-based rations being capable of not only keeping soldiers on their feet, but having them operate at their peak for days at a time. Initial laboratory tests demonstrated that rats given the treatment were able to run for extended periods of time.
Other approaches include altering a soldier's metabolism to reduce the need to feed, lowering body temperatures during strenuous activities, so that less energy was exerted, and even caffeinated gum, which would provide a quick energy boost in times of dire need, was experimented with. The idea, as one DARPA official informed Wired, was not to create Supermen, but to make it so that "these kids could perform at their peak, stay at their peak, and come home to their families."
SneekyNinja
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choomer
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The wealth of information supporting your claim is....where?
Do YOU have any thoughts about military enhancement drugs?
(I only ask for thoughts since the supporting evidence part I asked for before seems a bit beyond you).
UncleBuck
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do you think that being a fluoride conspiracist strengthens or weakens your position as a racist birther conspiracist?
SneekyNinja
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Nope, I never enlisted so I don't give a fuck.
If the pills make you kill people (your age, that were fed the same line of nationalistic horse-crap you were, with the same hopes and dreams you have) and thats what you signed up for then fucking ay, pump those bitches up.
When they start forcing them on the general public rather than the people who signed up specifically to legally kill other people then I'll care.
choomer
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@ttystikk what other drug enhancements could be useful to the MIC?
It looks like pain and endurance are covered. The only other one would bejudgement morality skewing substances which could take care of all those nasty complications arising from killing (women and children being the most egregious) without degrading "judgement".
Think that's why the Vikings was shroomin' to achieve the state "as mad as dogs or wolves, bit their shields, and were strong as bears or wild oxen"?
It looks like pain and endurance are covered. The only other one would be
Think that's why the Vikings was shroomin' to achieve the state "as mad as dogs or wolves, bit their shields, and were strong as bears or wild oxen"?
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UncleBuck
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literally no one can take you seriously unless they are also equally deluded and conspiratorial.
rkymtnman
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wrong, wrong and more wrong. if you dont' have a clue, shut the f' up, m' k???
A.K.A. Overgrowem
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The meth the German soldier used was very good at blocking any moral considerations about killing.
ttystikk
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How convenient.
choomer
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But we've only been talking defensive drug use.
What about offensive?
https://www.wired.com/2007/04/the_secrets_of_/
http://www.livescience.com/12991-10-outrageous-military-experiments.html (good for both def./off. and the IR vision one is an interesting case study for getting your vitamin A)
https://mediaroots.org/bz/ (BZ experimentation)
https://www.wired.com/2010/05/chemical-concussions-and-secret-lsd-military-releases-cold-war-mind-control-report/
(Not military only so should satisfy the requirements some have espoused)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgewood_Arsenal_human_experiments (Why restrict experimentation to just drugs?)
It's a pretty deep rabbit hole.
I was thinking something more along the lines of MKULTRA experimentation. I'm sure the military had adjunct interest in it if it meant being able to train/condition recruits faster.
What about offensive?
https://www.wired.com/2007/04/the_secrets_of_/
http://www.livescience.com/12991-10-outrageous-military-experiments.html (good for both def./off. and the IR vision one is an interesting case study for getting your vitamin A)
https://mediaroots.org/bz/ (BZ experimentation)
https://www.wired.com/2010/05/chemical-concussions-and-secret-lsd-military-releases-cold-war-mind-control-report/
(Not military only so should satisfy the requirements some have espoused)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgewood_Arsenal_human_experiments (Why restrict experimentation to just drugs?)
It's a pretty deep rabbit hole.
Any good soldier is good at killing, speed just makes them better/faster @ it.
I was thinking something more along the lines of MKULTRA experimentation. I'm sure the military had adjunct interest in it if it meant being able to train/condition recruits faster.
Hmm.. the meth they gave Air force B 52 pilots carrying nukes on patrol was prolly very good at blocking any moral considerations about nuking civilians.
tampee
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We are in a war since the 70's The War On Drugs... They use the fluoride to make us stupid so we see some Native Americans getting hosed in freezing temperatures we all shut the fuck up and eat our Thanksgiving turkey and watch football because we are dumbed the fuck down as this forum will prove unless you have been dumbed down too much.
The Zulu's were zonked out during their massacre of the Brits at Ishlawanda.
"or the average Zulu warrior, a type of snuff was provided by the sangomas. Snuff that was made from the local marijuana, called locally dagga. While most marijuana produces both a intoxicating and a sedative effect at the same time, the locally harvested south African dagga has only the intoxicating effect of marijuana, but did not possess the sedative effect. Prior to battle, this snuff would be passed out and inhaled by the warriors, to produce an intoxicating effect"
Full story, very interesting AND on topic
http://militarythoughts.blogspot.com/2004/03/this-is-coolbert-pharmacology-of-zulus.html
better link
http://everything2.com/title/Anglo-Zulu+Wa
"or the average Zulu warrior, a type of snuff was provided by the sangomas. Snuff that was made from the local marijuana, called locally dagga. While most marijuana produces both a intoxicating and a sedative effect at the same time, the locally harvested south African dagga has only the intoxicating effect of marijuana, but did not possess the sedative effect. Prior to battle, this snuff would be passed out and inhaled by the warriors, to produce an intoxicating effect"
Full story, very interesting AND on topic
http://militarythoughts.blogspot.com/2004/03/this-is-coolbert-pharmacology-of-zulus.html
better link
http://everything2.com/title/Anglo-Zulu+Wa
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SneekyNinja
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You've been dumbed down pretty good by the looks of it alright.
ttystikk
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That's the largest Native American protest gathering in US History, now the size of a small city, so apparently someone cares.
Just not you.