What would prove GOD does/doesn't exists?

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Illinois Enema Bandit

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Az-uar Iam said:
My thread. Maybe your in the wrong spot. I haven't been to space so I honestly don't know.
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and neither have they been to space yet proclaim the firmament to be imaginary and zero answers about the van Allen radiation belt,there's lots we don't know,only the foolish proclaim to know what doesn't exist .

I know god exists but my reasons are my own,so far I've not met but one member I'd be willing to discuss my beliefs in god with ,not that I'm not able to share but they aren't ready to hear.
 
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Illinois Enema Bandit

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Az-uar Iam said:
That my friend is the kind of response I was looking for. In my eyes you're right. It is the wrong name. GOD wouldn't have a name, which is why I refer to it as The Great Unknown. You're right, questions are dangerous, but this isn't trying to find answers. It's allowing the wonders to reveal themselves to anyone who truly wants to know. I don't see why people can't understand "GOD" doesn't need us, to justify its existence. Just as it won't care about our reaction when it finally makes an appearance.
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I don't believe god will reveal himself until the proper questions are asked and answered,humanity is a long way from even grasping the question let alone have the ability to withstand the answers,with that said I know god is real .
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Truthfully, I can't prove to you what you ask, but you have the ability to prove it to yourself. There is proof to be found, you just have to truly seek it with your soul.
 
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Barbara Martin

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This is very endless question. Because god is like a universes. God is every where God is like without form or formless. we can not explain this in 2-3 lines. If you would like to know about god does exist or not , you have to go to find this thing by research. or you can contact me. And i would like to add more thing. It places that people all wager with their lives either that God exists or does not exist. Given the likelihood that God really does exist and accepting the limitless addition or misfortune connected with faith in God or with unbelief, a sound individual ought to live as if God exists and look to have confidence in God.
 
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Barbara Martin

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This is very endless question. Because god is like a universes. God is every where God is like without form or formless. we can not explain this in 2-3 lines. If you would like to know about god does exist or not , you have to go to find this thing by research. or you can contact me. And i would like to add more thing. It places that people all wager with their lives either that God exists or does not exist. Given the likelihood that God really does exist and accepting the limitless addition or misfortune connected with faith in God or with unbelief, a sound individual ought to live as if God exists and look to have confidence in God. So You can not find god existences until you accept the truth.
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Barbara Martin said:
This is very endless question. Because god is like a universes. God is every where God is like without form or formless. we can not explain this in 2-3 lines. If you would like to know about god does exist or not , you have to go to find this thing by research. or you can contact me. And i would like to add more thing. It places that people all wager with their lives either that God exists or does not exist. Given the likelihood that God really does exist and accepting the limitless addition or misfortune connected with faith in God or with unbelief, a sound individual ought to live as if God exists and look to have confidence in God.
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God expects nothing of you but to be; God is much bigger than to care for such vane things as submission. It wishes for you to reach the greatest potential you can strive for, but there are only lessons. Not threats of condemnation to instill fear. There is no love in fear. Death will yield rebirth.
 
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Padawanbater2

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Olive Drab Green said:
Truthfully, I can't prove to you what you ask, but you have the ability to prove it to yourself. There is proof to be found, you just have to truly seek it with your soul.
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But isn't the nature of proof itself that which can be shown to be true?

If I tell you 2 + 2 = 4, the proof is explanatory. I can show you exactly why 2 + 2 = 4

If you tell me "you can prove it to yourself", what does that mean?
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Padawanbater2 said:
But isn't the nature of proof itself that which can be shown to be true?

If I tell you 2 + 2 = 4, the proof is explanatory. I can show you exactly why 2 + 2 = 4

If you tell me "you can prove it to yourself", what does that mean?
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You will understand what I mean when you find it. By whichever means you choose, fast or slow. Meditation, ayahuasca, or DMT. An out of body experience. Death followed by rebirth. And nothing will matter except being here, now, and it will be the greatest thing you've ever felt.

I'm still on the journey, not at the end, so I can only explain to you what I know from my experience and that described by others. I don't know everything, but what I have told you tonight, I know. It will only add up to your physical senses to you if I describe it until you learn there is another greater sense, except it isn't a sense.
 
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Padawanbater2

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Olive Drab Green said:
You will understand what I mean when you find it.
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I'm not looking to understand what you mean when I find it. I'm looking to understand what you mean when you say it

Why do I have to experience some subjective force that could be anything to understand what you're trying to tell me now? To me, that isn't proof, that isn't evidence, it's just some vague explanation about something you experienced that caused you to have the kind of feeling you're telling me I need to experience to understand what you went through. You need to know that as an atheist, as a skeptic, I've trained myself specifically not to succumb to such feelings from outside emotional events. I know, through scientific research and many years of study that emotional experiences during trying times are not a very good representation of reality. They're periods of traumatic events that push all of us to our emotional limits. The idea that the most emotionally unstable times of your life are also the most religiously receptive tells me that emotionally stable people don't seek out religion themselves and otherwise, there's simply no reason to..
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Padawanbater2 said:
I'm not looking to understand what you mean when I find it. I'm looking to understand what you mean when you say it

Why do I have to experience some subjective force that could be anything to understand what you're trying to tell me now? To me, that isn't proof, that isn't evidence, it's just some vague explanation about something you experienced that caused you to have the kind of feeling you're telling me I need to experience to understand what you went through. You need to know that as an atheist, as a skeptic, I've trained myself specifically not to succumb to such feelings from outside emotional events. I know, through scientific research and many years of study that emotional experiences during trying times are not a very good representation of reality. They're periods of traumatic events that push all of us to our emotional limits. The idea that the most emotionally unstable times of your life are also the most religiously receptive tells me that emotionally stable people don't seek out religion themselves and otherwise, there's simply no reason to..
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I truly cannot fully or justly explain it in words. As cliche as it sounds, I described for you what some of it is like. It still falls short of it all. Picture a universe fitting into an atom. That is this reality.

I'm not sure how much clearer I can say it, though: you have to seek and find it to believe it, but it's there to find. All this stuff would have sounded hokey to me a year ago. Probably up until 4 months ago, if you told me this, I'd tell you "maybe." Or "You are a psycho."
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Proof would be very hard to find when you aren't looking for it. A search for disproof is not the same. It may be walking forward, but you are facing the wrong direction.
 
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