Help needed with tea recipe!!!!!!

hillbill

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I use compost out of my 1 year barrel, bog garden soil, castings and cotton burr compost and decomposing forest floor stuff or leaf mold if you will. Might put a tbsp of alfalfa for biological activity in 4 gallons.

My feeding tea is a light alfalfa tea that has no castings or other compost in it.
 

backtracker

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I am doing my first fully organic run this time around. White Widow and Blueberry headband. It's actually amazing how much the plants grow after each tea feeding. I have seen them double in size within 24 hours after a tea feeding twice now. (They are still babies). Using a variation of subcools soil (Slightly loss hot than his, but same ingredients).

Each tea I make is: 5 gallon bucket of water, 3-4 handfuls of charlies chicken compost, 3 handfuls of worm castings, 3-4 caps of alaska fish fertilizer, 1 handful of kelp meal, 1 handful of alfalfa meal, then a good bit of molasses. Sometimes I add a spritz of Advanced Nutrients BudCandy (It's some form of isolated sugar/carbohydrate as well as a few amino acids) It seems to grow the bacteria faster than just compost/castings and molasses alone.
1/4 cup of molasses in 4.5 gallon is plenty too much and you will have problems. nutrients to make roots is very important in early growth not so much nitrogen they need a high P fert.
 

Rasta Roy

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1/4 cup of molasses in 4.5 gallon is plenty too much and you will have problems. nutrients to make roots is very important in early growth not so much nitrogen they need a high P fert.
1/4 cup is 4 tbsp...

Which is just about how much molasses you should put in a five gallon bucket of compost tea...

I'd skip the bud candy since you're already doing kelp meal and the bud candy is definitely killing off microbes. More bubbles doesn't mean more microbe life.
 

hillbill

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Molasses has K in it and some more than others. Unsulphered is the one that will have more available sulfur than sulphered molasses. 1/4 cup in 5 gallons is fine. Great plant therapy and the base of many "Magic Miracle Juice" products. It may be the only ingredient in some of them. Great for fast carbs! Treat for the micro herd and a must for baked beans.
 

nobodies

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1/4 cup is 4 tbsp...

Which is just about how much molasses you should put in a five gallon bucket of compost tea...

I'd skip the bud candy since you're already doing kelp meal and the bud candy is definitely killing off microbes. More bubbles doesn't mean more microbe life.
There isn't anything in bud candy that Im aware of that would kill bacteria/fungi. It's simply sugars derived from raw cane sugar, grape, cranberry, and malt, and a couple other sources. The primary ingredients in bud candy are sugars, and a few amino acids. I believe(not 100%) that bud candy is AN only 100% organic product). You can look at the full ingredients on advanced nutrients website. There is some citric/Absorbic acid in it; but I doubt there's enough to siginificantly reduce the bacteria counts. I'm sure it's simply added to keep the sugars in the concentrated form from spoiling. Once it's added to water, that will get diluted significantly.

The entire point of bud candy is very similar to tea, to feed soil microbes, as well as to provide the plant with easily absorbed carbs. Apparently plants can more easily uptake sugars derived from cranberry, grape, and malts. (Glucose rather than Sucrose.)

It's been working good for me so far.

Here is the ingredient list:

https://www.planetnatural.com/wp-content/uploads/bud-candy-label.pdf
 
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nobodies

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There isn't anything in bud candy that Im aware of that would kill bacteria/fungi. It's simply sugars derived from raw cane sugar, grape, cranberry, and malt, and a couple other sources. The primary ingredients in bud candy are sugars, and a few amino acids. I believe(not 100%) that bud candy is AN only 100% organic product). You can look at the full ingredients on advanced nutrients website. There is some citric acid in it; but I doubt there's enough to siginificantly reduce the bacteria counts. I'm sure it's simply added to keep the sugars in the concentrated form from spoiling. Once it's added to water, that will get diluted significantly.

It's been working good for me so far.

Here is the ingredient list:

https://www.planetnatural.com/wp-content/uploads/bud-candy-label.pdf

I wrote up the full ingredient list here:

Code:
Citric Acid
Absorbic Acid
Polyphenalic Compounds
Esters
Raw Cane Juice
Sweet Brown Molasses

Carbs:
Xylose
Maltrose
Glucose
Galoctose
Aribinose

Extracts:
Cranberry Extract
Grape Extract
Malt Extract
Fermented Yeast Extract

Vitamins:
B1
B2
B3
B5
B6
B7
B12

Amino Acids
L-Alanine
L-Arganine
L-Asparagine
L-Aspartic Acid
L-Cystine
L-Clutamic Acid
L-Glutatmine
l_gylcine
l-Histidine
L-Lcucdine
L-Lysine
L-Methionione
L-Threonine
L-Phenyllalnine
L-Poline
L-Serine
L-Tysonine
L-Trpthophan
L-Valine
 

Rasta Roy

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I wrote up the full ingredient list here:

Code:
Citric Acid
Absorbic Acid
Polyphenalic Compounds
Esters
Raw Cane Juice
Sweet Brown Molasses

Carbs:
Xylose
Maltrose
Glucose
Galoctose
Aribinose

Extracts:
Cranberry Extract
Grape Extract
Malt Extract
Fermented Yeast Extract

Vitamins:
B1
B2
B3
B5
B6
B7
B12

Amino Acids
L-Alanine
L-Arganine
L-Asparagine
L-Aspartic Acid
L-Cystine
L-Clutamic Acid
L-Glutatmine
l_gylcine
l-Histidine
L-Lcucdine
L-Lysine
L-Methionione
L-Threonine
L-Phenyllalnine
L-Poline
L-Serine
L-Tysonine
L-Trpthophan
L-Valine
Seems like snake oil to me. If you already have kelp (the source of the amino acids) and molasses I don't see the point personally but whatever works for you friend.
 

nobodies

Active Member
Seems like snake oil to me. If you already have kelp (the source of the amino acids) and molasses I don't see the point personally but whatever works for you friend.
They are not the same amino acids as kelp. There are some in common, but not all. What about it seems like snake oil? There's nothing in it except what is advertised. Carbohydrates, Vitamins, and amino acids.

The amino acid profile of kelp is as follows: (per 2 teaspoons)
Tryptophan
4.8mg
Threonine
5.5mg
Isoleucine
7.6mg
Leucine
8.3mg
Lysine
8.2mg
Methionine
2.5mg
Cystine
9.8mg
Phenylalanine
4.3mg
Tyrosine
2.6mg
Valine
7.2mg
Arginine
6.5mg
Histidine
2.4mg
Alanine
12.2mg
Aspartic acid
12.5mg
Glutamic acid
26.8mg
Glycine
10.0mg
Proline
7.3mg
Serine
9.8mg
Hydroxyproline

Read More http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2617/2#ixzz4HByywCHj
 
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Rasta Roy

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They are not the same amino acids as kelp. There are some in common, but not all. What about it seems like snake oil? There's nothing in it except what is advertised. Carbohydrates, Vitamins, and amino acids.

The amino acid profile of kelp is as follows: (per 2 teaspoons)
Tryptophan
4.8mg
Threonine
5.5mg
Isoleucine
7.6mg
Leucine
8.3mg
Lysine
8.2mg
Methionine
2.5mg
Cystine
9.8mg
Phenylalanine
4.3mg
Tyrosine
2.6mg
Valine
7.2mg
Arginine
6.5mg
Histidine
2.4mg
Alanine
12.2mg
Aspartic acid
12.5mg
Glutamic acid
26.8mg
Glycine
10.0mg
Proline
7.3mg
Serine
9.8mg
Hydroxyproline

Read More http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2617/2#ixzz4HByywCHj
Totally just my opinion...do whatever works for you...but just sayin...

You seem to have a knowledge of what you're using, so why spend the money on the bud candy?

Molasses gives you all the carbohydrates you need (and some vitamins)

The alfalfa and kelp will give you all the amino acids, growth hormones, and vitamins your plant needs.

The bud candy is gonna have some stabilizer to keep from going rotten that disqualifies it from being organic and does slow down your microbiology.
 

nobodies

Active Member
Totally just my opinion...do whatever works for you...but just sayin...

You seem to have a knowledge of what you're using, so why spend the money on the bud candy?

Molasses gives you all the carbohydrates you need (and some vitamins)

The alfalfa and kelp will give you all the amino acids, growth hormones, and vitamins your plant needs.

The bud candy is gonna have some stabilizer to keep from going rotten that disqualifies it from being organic and does slow down your microbiology.
Because I already had it on hand before I switched to organic growing. It probably isn't something id buy specifically for tea, but find it works fine as something Id otherwise let go to waste.
 

Rasta Roy

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Because I already had it on hand before I switched to organic growing. It probably isn't something id buy specifically for tea, but find it works fine as something Id otherwise let go to waste.
That's the situation I'm in with bat guano. I buy in bulk, when I first switched over to organic i was sold on using guano. I've moved away from its use now but I've still got like 80 something pounds of it lol. So I'll be using it for a little while longer.
 

hyroot

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That's the situation I'm in with bat guano. I buy in bulk, when I first switched over to organic i was sold on using guano. I've moved away from its use now but I've still got like 80 something pounds of it lol. So I'll be using it for a little while longer.

Find a bat cave and dump the guano lol. Mining for guano is harmful to their ecosystem.
 

Rasta Roy

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Find a bat cave and dump the guano lol. Mining for guano is harmful to their ecosystem.
Yeah, it's not the reason why I stopped using it...but I like to say it is so I sound like a better person sometimes lol. I paid for this guano so I'm gonna use it even if it takes me forever. I steered away from it because I try to use fertilizers that serve more than one function and while I can definitely get great results with guano...there are other things that can do the same thing and more. So I lean towards those now that I'm more experienced in the matter.

I sell pre-made tea bags to local growers with guano, kelp, castings, and powdered molasses. So that helps dwindle my supply too.

They're happy with there results and I make pretty good money on the upcharge. I use all the paint straining bags I have from when I ran a paint crew for tea bags.
 

hyroot

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Yeah, it's not the reason why I stopped using it...but I like to say it is so I sound like a better person sometimes lol. I paid for this guano so I'm gonna use it even if it takes me forever. I steered away from it because I try to use fertilizers that serve more than one function and while I can definitely get great results with guano...there are other things that can do the same thing and more. So I lean towards those now that I'm more experienced in the matter.

I stopped using guano years ago when I started doing no till. I found the guano produced much harsher smoke. Also as you know it's not good to use if you grow for anyone with compromised immune systems because of the pathogenic bacteria
 

Rasta Roy

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I stopped using guano years ago when I started doing no till. I found the guano produced much harsher smoke. Also as you know it's not good to use if you grow for anyone with compromised immune systems because of the pathogenic bacteria
Yeah the medical risks are why I changed. I just use it in my personal garden. My immune system is great! Lol. My third lumbar in my back is what's compromised.
 

backtracker

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I stopped using guano years ago when I started doing no till. I found the guano produced much harsher smoke. Also as you know it's not good to use if you grow for anyone with compromised immune systems because of the pathogenic bacteria
Do you have any scientific/medical evidence to back this up? I use bat guano exclusively and have for years, the plant in my avatar was grown using bat guano it smelled like flowers when it was growing smelled like hash after cured and when smoked the ash was white, I'm not sick nor are any of the people who smoked and made medicine out of it so I call bullshit.
 

hyroot

Well-Known Member
Do you have any scientific/medical evidence to back this up? I use bat guano exclusively and have for years, the plant in my avatar was grown using bat guano it smelled like flowers when it was growing smelled like hash after cured and when smoked the ash was white, I'm not sick nor are any of the people who smoked and made medicine out of it so I call bullshit.

Condsidering all your posts have been filled with misinformation I doubt anyone cares or believes what you think.

Here you go.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/97-146/
 

Rasta Roy

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Do you have any scientific/medical evidence to back this up? I use bat guano exclusively and have for years, the plant in my avatar was grown using bat guano it smelled like flowers when it was growing smelled like hash after cured and when smoked the ash was white, I'm not sick nor are any of the people who smoked and made medicine out of it so I call bullshit.
I don't think the guano makes my smoke taste harsh...but there's plenty of literature out there about the pathogen hazards of gardening with manures. And when growing for medicinal purposes, especially for people with aids or other immune crippling diseases that make them more prone to bacterial infections. These are important things to consider. But like I said, that's not me. So for my personal garden I'll still use it. I've noticed no difference between my vegan grown plants and my manure grown ones when it comes to the harshness of the smoke.
 
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