EcoSunLite & 8-3590 run

[Hybridway]

Yeah , Agree absolutely . Plants only under ecosunlite Panel .NO Fix heat problem until you finish your growing .
Your growing will show to people our unit light's performance , as we post the growing before with our units , people said that if there is one grower post its growing with your unit , that will work for people /

Well, send me a 400-500 light & I'll run it here on a live thread. I won't mix it with any other light & will provide it's very own space w/ 3 walls surrounding it. No cross light, no deviation from my normal grow routine, I'll provide one of my best plants & I'll record a live grow.
I told you before. No matter how your sales team acts or whatever they don't know, is irrelevant to me & many of us.
How the light performs is all that matters.
I will provide you with a completely fair & unbiased review.
BTW, I do believe it will work well.
Give it a chance in the hands of a good grower whom is willing to do the grow with your light on its own.
If I pull a lb. off your light for all to see, sales will go through the roof.
You have nothing to lose. And allot to gain. I will also personally suggest it is you who gets the commission off the RIU sales, if it works that way.
I will not make this offer again, as it is I & I only who stands to lose big coin if it does not perform well.
As far as you being so concerned with Amare, I get it. But know this, you are not playing in the same ballpark.
If you are, then the results will prove it so.

 

[HydroRed]

I was wondering if you plan to do a run with just the Eco alone? I'd imagine that would define its capabilities/downfalls more so than using it in conjunction with your diy bars.

This is exactly why I posted this in the beginning of this thread. There is nothing to be learned regarding the performance of the Eco light if it it being used in conjuntion with another light.
Airwalker got a free light, and that is all good and think that he deserved it since he was the first person I remember seeing talking about the Eco light and wanting to get it to test its abilities (which is why I tagged him in the giveaway in the first place)- even if he had to pay for it, but there really is nothing to be learned of the Eco light from this thread regarding its actual growing capabilities and I think that is really what most are wanting to know about. @Airwalker16 if you do plan to replace parts and drivers etc in the light, you should first do a documented grow using only the Eco light alone before replacing anything in it. It should also be used in the footprint that Eco claims it can do(whether you think its capable of doing it or not) and see how it stacks up in factual results or just more false claims like so many other led companies make. That would put all doubt and bullshit aside and provide the first real documented grow with Eco lights instead of some "nobody from nowheresville" providing pictures saying "look what I did" with an eco light. Anyone could take pics of an eco light dangling above plants actually grown under a 1K hps.... but that still dont prove a thing or add any validity to the capabilities of these lights. Greengenes707 and Growmau5 have shown videos and documented their grows very thoroughly from day 1 on MULTIPLE grows to prove the validity of their lights capabilities -and that is why their products get purchased........proof and unrivaled documentation.

 

[Airwalker16]

If any of you have a 3x3 tent, send me it and I'll do a clone of the Tangerine power in it with the Eco only . It's hard for me to do it right now though because I want to use the supplemental blue and red. I'm am honestly considering taking everything out, and putting it all on pin sinks to spread it out in the center of my diy light. Pcb,3070,pcb,3070,pcb.
Pcb,3070,pcb,3070,pcb. (I've got an extra 3000kcxb3070 I can use ).
I just want to use blue and red with the cobs. Ever since I saw that cutter kit surrounding a Mars, ive been fascinated with it. I think its the best possible way to grow with leds. Period.
Before this light, I was so close to just buying vitalys 4 pcb set that run 50w ec on a 200W driver on 4 pin sinks linearly, in between my diy.
Those are phillips lumileds.
But now I have SIX PCBS of xp-es and I just don't know what to do.

 

[Hybridway]

This is exactly why I posted this in the beginning of this thread. There is nothing to be learned regarding the performance of the Eco light if it it being used in conjuntion with another light.
Airwalker got a free light, and that is all good and think that he deserved it since he was the first person I remember seeing talking about the Eco light and wanting to get it to test its abilities (which is why I tagged him in the giveaway in the first place)- even if he had to pay for it, but there really is nothing to be learned of the Eco light from this thread regarding its actual growing capabilities and I think that is really what most are wanting to know about. @Airwalker16 if you do plan to replace parts and drivers etc in the light, you should first do a documented grow using only the Eco light alone before replacing anything in it. It should also be used in the footprint that Eco claims it can do(whether you think its capable of doing it or not) and see how it stacks up in factual results or just more false claims like so many other led companies make. That would put all doubt and bullshit aside and provide the first real documented grow with Eco lights instead of some "nobody from nowheresville" providing pictures saying "look what I did" with an eco light. Anyone could take pics of an eco light dangling above plants actually grown under a 1K hps.... but that still dont prove a thing or add any validity to the capabilities of these lights. Greengenes707 and Growmau5 have shown videos and documented their grows very thoroughly from day 1 on MULTIPLE grows to prove the validity of their lights capabilities -and that is why their products get purchased........proof and unrivaled documentation.

I agree. But one thing I don't agree with is GreenGenes 707 having documented grows w/ his light. Grows from the owner himself mean absolutely nothing to me.
I can't find one documented grow on RIU w/ his Cx-300. Maybe I'm wrong but I can NOT find any grows w/ a PLC light.
When I asked, people told me to go to GG garden. lol! That was my point to begin with.
As far as I'm concerned, neither PLC or Eco have a documented grow by a RIU member that I can find.
Both loud vendors that put down the A-word w/o having documented grows by a RIU member. I don't know of one person here that has purchased a PLC. Just pre-fab DIY.
Am I wrong?

 

[Big smo]

I think airwalker should use the light anyway he wants to use it. Where I agree with hydrored is there needs to be a documented grow. That's not really up to airwalker to provide. He won his light let him grow with it, change it or burn it. Eco needs to be the ones to do this no one else. They need to give a light which is the cheap and easy part. Any good grower is out of their mind to do this for free. The setup and going through months of growing and documenting with unknown results is very risky. Just like hybrid did with the HH. End result was substantially lower. So he paid the price for our free education. That's the part that's overlooked. I suggested to Eco to do the give away a few months ago to help with advertising and also to do give a good grower the light in return for documenting it. I also gave out recommendations of good growers. Everyone's saying it but i don't think they are understanding how important a straight up Eco grow would be. They seem to look at it like its a huge deal to give a light that will pay for itself a hundred times over.

 

[Big smo]

My opinion is use the light how u want airwalker you won it. It's up to Eco to provide a light if they want documented grows here. Like I said it's cheap advertising. No claims no bs and no chance of altering the results. If they want it the least they can do is ship a light that cost them a few hundred dollars.

 

[Hybridway]

I think airwalker should use the light anyway he wants to use it. Where I agree with hydrored is there needs to be a documented grow. That's not really up to airwalker to provide. He won his light let him grow with it, change it or burn it. Eco needs to be the ones to do this no one else. They need to give a light which is the cheap and easy part. Any good grower is out of their mind to do this for free. The setup and going through months of growing and documenting with unknown results is very risky. Just like hybrid did with the HH. End result was substantially lower. So he paid the price for our free education. That's the part that's overlooked. I suggested to Eco to do the give away a few months ago to help with advertising and also to do give a good grower the light in return for documenting it. I also gave out recommendations of good growers. Everyone's saying it but i don't think they are understanding how important a straight up Eco grow would be. They seem to look at it like its a huge deal to give a light that will pay for itself a hundred times over.

Thank you for recognizing my sacrifices. $800 on that HH & $2,400 in lost yield.
So we could all see they provided me consumers w/ false claims.

 

[sixstring2112]

I agree. But one thing I don't agree with is GreenGenes 707 having documented grows w/ his light. Grows from the owner himself mean absolutely nothing to me.
I can't find one documented grow on RIU w/ his Cx-300. Maybe I'm wrong but I can NOT find any grows w/ a PLC light.
When I asked, people told me to go to GG garden. lol! That was my point to begin with.
As far as I'm concerned, neither PLC or Eco have a documented grow by a RIU member that I can find.
Both loud vendors that put down the A-word w/o having documented grows by a RIU member. I don't know of one person here that has purchased a PLC. Just pre-fab DIY.
Am I wrong?

He has shown multiple videos which imo is 10x better than a few random pics and some jibberish lol.and he has posted pics of a huge operation where theres a good 20 of his fixtures hanging and that is not his grow so theres def others using those panels.seems to me someone already gave you a link to plc panel grows you just aren't paying attention or something lol.
@HydroRed is right,that eco panel needs to be isolated and used on its own .im wondering if the eco is still running hot if you got it away from aw diy fixture,maybe its not getting proper airflow.but once again,i dont care what type of light you use,if your in a given spot (set dimensions )and you double your light output chances are very high you will also double your heat load.there's a point where that space will need ac to cool it if you just keep adding light to it and cant exchange the air fast enough.this is growing 101 guys.

 

[JorgeGonzales]

I agree. But one thing I don't agree with is GreenGenes 707 having documented grows w/ his light. Grows from the owner himself mean absolutely nothing to me.
I can't find one documented grow on RIU w/ his Cx-300. Maybe I'm wrong but I can NOT find any grows w/ a PLC light.
When I asked, people told me to go to GG garden. lol! That was my point to begin with.
As far as I'm concerned, neither PLC or Eco have a documented grow by a RIU member that I can find.
Both loud vendors that put down the A-word w/o having documented grows by a RIU member. I don't know of one person here that has purchased a PLC. Just pre-fab DIY.
Am I wrong?

I know you have a hard on for @Greengenes707 , and you said this exact same troll baiting stuff in the thread that was locked thanks to shit like this, but if you can't find documented CXB3590 grows, you are interneting wrong.

I'm not sure what he could possibly fuck up using top of the line Meanwell drivers, 90 degree reflectors and solid passive cooling. Why would you would expect the results would be any different than the dozens of people using the exact same setup?

 

[HydroRed]

I know you have a hard on for @Greengenes707 , and you said this exact same troll baiting stuff in the thread that was locked thanks to shit like this, but if you can't find documented CXB3590 grows, you are interneting wrong.

I'm not sure what he could possibly fuck up using top of the line Meanwell drivers, 90 degree reflectors and solid passive cooling. Why would you would expect the results would be any different than the dozens of people using the exact same setup?

Thats what I was going to say regarding the internals of the diy kit lights and prefabbed plc lights. All their light kits are is the same thing they taught everyone to build diy without ordering a kit. I knew for the most part what my results should be before buying all the components(which are the exact same internal components in some of the kits sold) to build my 400W led cob light. I based my build off of pretty solid documentation on both parties light kits (along with multiple grows from other unbiased people using the same light components).The only reason I suggested Airwalker do a Eco only grow is because he said more than once in more than one thread he was up to the challenge of the Eco light grow and that he would document the grow if he got it.
Im just stating that because it was implied in more than one thread by him.
What he is doing in this thread is a bit off from what he implied he would do.
Honestly if he wants to burn ants with the light, then that is his thing. I was merely suggesting he do what he implied he would do if he got/won/bought the light.

 

[sixstring2112]

Thats what I was going to say regarding the internals of the diy kit lights and prefabbed plc lights. All their light kits are is the same thing they taught everyone to build diy without ordering a kit. I knew for the most part what my results should be before buying all the components(which are the exact same internal components in some of the kits sold) to build my 400W led cob light. I based my build off of pretty solid documentation on both parties light kits (along with multiple grows from other unbiased people using the same light components).The only reason I suggested Airwalker do a Eco only grow is because he said more than once in more than one thread he was up to the challenge of the Eco light grow and that he would document the grow if he got it.
Im just stating that because it was implied in more than one thread by him.
What he is doing in this thread is a bit off from what he implied he would do.
Honestly if he wants to burn ants with the light, then that is his thing. I was merely suggesting he do what he implied he would do if he got/won/bought the light.

Yeah all he needs now is someone to send him a free tent to test the free light,hell if anyones dumb enough to send the tent at this point I'll send some free nutes lmao.
Wrote a song about it wanna hear it...its all about the he said ,free said ,free shit.if ya wanna grow,quit talkin that shit,and hit em wit sum free shit.its just one a those dayz

 

[sixstring2112]

Can you tell how high i am yet

 

[JorgeGonzales]

Can you tell how high i am yet

I need you to record that song.

 

[HydroRed]

Ya if they gave me one, I'd use it exclusively for the journal.

 

[Airwalker16]

Winning this light randomly doesn't give me the same push and obligation as a dedicated tester being given a light for that purpose. I'm sorry, but it just doesnt . I promise you I'll get around to a one plant scrog eventually. I'm finding that couple of strains right now that I'm going to wanna buy regs of for a pheno hunt. I'll grow a clone of one of if not my favorite strain. When I know what that even is. Currant kush is definitely up there though.

 

[Hybridway]

I know you have a hard on for @Greengenes707 , and you said this exact same troll baiting stuff in the thread that was locked thanks to shit like this, but if you can't find documented CXB3590 grows, you are interneting wrong.

I'm not sure what he could possibly fuck up using top of the line Meanwell drivers, 90 degree reflectors and solid passive cooling. Why would you would expect the results would be any different than the dozens of people using the exact same setup?

That got closed down because you posted a big obnoxious Meem about the topic, blowing up the spot. You got outta hand.

So, let me get this right?
If someone built a light using all the Eco components similar to their exact light, then there would be no need for a documented Eco grow?
Because that IS essentially what you are saying on behalf of PLC.
Nobody built a Cx-300 & grew under it with a live grow to post actual documented results. Just used the same components. So how would we know if his lights actually perform well? There's so many other factors, as Airwalker just pointed out with the build design of the Eco.
So, a facility supposedly uses PLC lights right? Ok, where's the results?
How come nobody on this forum uses the most efficient light on the market for a thread? And how come everyone's cool w/ this?
You're saying just because it uses CXB-3070's that's all we should need seeing how there's so many DIY's on threads using these components?
Well, their not the actual Cx-300 so I'd say there are many variables not taken into account, wouldn't you?
Also, it's the most efficient light out, no? So shouldn't there be documented results & a review by an unbiased party or 3?
No side by sides against HPS or anything for that matter.
Common now fellas, if this was any other comp. you'd be all over their shit.

 

[Airwalker16]

But something just came to me. MY fixtures are quite low right now.we've yet to see it later on when they're almost touching the top of the tent. It's possible once they're up there, the heat may stay up there and get sucked out quite faster. The filter is on the other side of the 4x8 on the farther small 4ft wall. I wonder if moving it over right above the lights and green would make any difference.

 

[coreywebster]

What were your temps previous to adding the eco sun light? Just seems a bit unfair to throw in an extra light of any kind and expect temp to not rise. I can run 2 hps without cooled hoods and temps are fine. Once I add a third then they go out of control and continue to rise because they are suddenly exceeding my fans heat extracting capabilities. So I stick em in cool tubes and I'm back to been within my fans capabilities. Your also sticking a thermometer in double the direct light, your going to get dodgy readings from doing that. Your not measuring air temps with all that radiant heat and you cant defy physics, more light always equals more radiant heat.
I do get however that the design may not be optimum for air flow within the unit. Again if I compare to a hps, its the same amount of heat coming off with a fan blowing across it as it is without, just the heat is been dissipated into the grow room quicker.Its not disappearing. Its still adding the same amount of heat. Its not the best comparison because obviously cobs will run different at a various given temperatures.
Sorry Airwalker16, please don't take any of this personally, its not ment to be, but a light deserves a fair trail. I don't like to see things turn into a witch hunt based on an unfair comparison.

 

[sixstring2112]

That got closed down because you posted a big obnoxious Meem about the topic, blowing up the spot. You got outta hand.

So, let me get this right?
If someone built a light using all the Eco components similar to their exact light, then there would be no need for a documented Eco grow?
Because that IS essentially what you are saying on behalf of PLC.
Nobody built a Cx-300 & grew under it with a live grow to post actual documented results. Just used the same components. So how would we know if his lights actually perform well? There's so many other factors, as Airwalker just pointed out with the build design of the Eco.
So, a facility supposedly uses PLC lights right? Ok, where's the results?
How come nobody on this forum uses the most efficient light on the market for a thread? And how come everyone's cool w/ this?
You're saying just because it uses CXB-3070's that's all we should need seeing how there's so many DIY's on threads using these components?
Well, their not the actual Cx-300 so I'd say there are many variables not taken into account, wouldn't you?
Also, it's the most efficient light out, no? So shouldn't there be documented results & a review by an unbiased party or 3?
No side by sides against HPS or anything for that matter.
Common now fellas, if this was any other comp. you'd be all over their shit.

thread just got bumped.now quit yer bitchin and open that amare
https://www.rollitup.org/t/pacific-light-concepts.882496/

 

[Big smo]

Hybrid and airwalker you two have nearly the same photo now. I was like damn u go airwalker lol