Steer Manure

MistaRasta

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@MistaRasta has the right of it with potassium silicate. I use silicate shield from Green Wizard Nutrients in my commercial garden, it doesn't mess with your soil microbes and I only apply every 1 out of 3 waterings at half the recommended dosage. So it carries pretty far. Theyre a small Michigan company so you'd probably have to order it online, there's lots of silicate products out there though that work well I'm sure. You don't really need to over do it and overdose yourself on potassium.
http://www.mbferts.com/Agsil-16H-Potassium-Silicate-Soluble-Silica-Powder-545.htm

Roy, check this stuff out. Any silica that gets bottled up and sold (silica blast, pro-tekt) is bought and made with agsil 16h. You can buy it directly, mix it your self and save good money.

1lb is 12$ at this source with free shipping and 1lb will make you 3 quarts. Compare to Dyna gro protekt which is 18$ a quart.
 

MistaRasta

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Yes I do use neem seed meal, its like my number 1 thing I use, you can even use it when you make a tea, it helps a TON! Careful when you add to a tea, it will be REALLY bubbly. I don't think neem seed meal has sulfur in it but I could be wrong. It's a GREAT slow release fertilizer that's why I always add it to my mixes. When you add to tea, its a 0-1-2 since ALL the nitrogen in it is not soluble in water. but when you add to soil directly its a 6-1-2. Really great stuff.

False, neem has ALOT of sulfur in it.
 

MistaRasta

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I try not using anything synthetic in my grow, potassium silicate is a lab made product that I will not put into my organic/veganic grows.

Once you add that, it's no longer organic/veganic.

I would rather not have the silicate than contaminate with synthetics. I have several bottles of synthetic potassium silicate I will not use on my organic grow, they go into my hydroponic system.

You can't use too much green sand, so if you reapply its fine :)

OH NO!

Omri says my naturally occurring silicate isn't organic! Golly gee, I guess I'll have to throw out all my minerals as well.

You should do more research on silicates in general. Earth juice and General organics are made in labs and are certified organic... ?
 

MistaRasta

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Whats the deal with using greensand? Plant or animal sources are usually the best source of PK.. Most greensand I've seen isn't fine enough to work, you need a very fine grind for it to work. And if you're not running soil thats acidic, you will not see any benefits of PK from greensand.

There is no benefit, if people want to capitilize off of glauconite they can. What the consumer doesn't realize is how much money their wasting when like I said, much easier faster ways can be had.

@Yodaweed
If you'd like to go "all-naturelle" I'd suggest looking into horsetail. It's a bio dynamic accumulator and has about 23% silica in it. Mulch this regularly and you have a natural source of silica. Your worms can eat it and supercharge it for you as well and you'll have a good amount of silica in your vermicompost.
 

Rasta Roy

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http://www.mbferts.com/Agsil-16H-Potassium-Silicate-Soluble-Silica-Powder-545.htm

Roy, check this stuff out. Any silica that gets bottled up and sold (silica blast, pro-tekt) is bought and made with agsil 16h. You can buy it directly, mix it your self and save good money.

1lb is 12$ at this source with free shipping and 1lb will make you 3 quarts. Compare to Dyna gro protekt which is 18$ a quart.
I should point out that the product I use is made by friend's company and I'm running tests for data purposes, I am not obligated to purchase the product. Lol. Cause yes, I would rather source the materials for cheaper and make it myself the same way I do with my soil. I'll save the link in case I ever need it! I'm not sure it's something I'll continue to use if it's just redundant with everything that's already in the soil. But before I cracked an agriculture book when I was still using bottled nutrients I had good results with the green wizard line. It was comparable to advanced nutrients and I was getting hooked at wholesale price. I would say it's cheaper than advanced price wise but I don't know if that's true lol.
 

Yodaweed

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OH NO!

Omri says my naturally occurring silicate isn't organic! Golly gee, I guess I'll have to throw out all my minerals as well.

You should do more research on silicates in general. Earth juice and General organics are made in labs and are certified organic... ?
And there is a reason I don't use any of that crap, if it comes in a bottle its usually not good for organics(besides molasses). You are using synthetic fertilizers in your organic mix, so it is not organic. I would rather not have silicate (you don't need it to grow weed I grew fine for years without it) than use synthetic fertilizers and compromise all the work I put into my grow to make it organic. If you are ok with ingesting lab made chemicals go for it, but I am not. Potassium silicate that's made in a lab is made by chemical reaction aka its a synthetic chemical. Same exact thing as pouring 3 part general hydroponic solution on your grow, you are KILLING the microbes, this is SALT based just like hydroponic nutrients.
 
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Rasta Roy

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And there is a reason I don't use any of that crap, if it comes in a bottle its usually not good for organics(besides molasses). You are using synthetic fertilizers in your organic mix, so it is not organic. I would rather not have silicate (you don't need it to grow weed I grew fine for years without it) than use synthetic fertilizers are compromise all the work I put into my grow to make it organic. If you are ok with ingesting lab made chemicals go for it, but I am not.
To each his own. I would just like to point out that rock phosphate will hurt you in your garden more than potassium silicate will. As far as your personal health are concerned. Not everything made in a lab is awful for you. Not everything natural is good for you. I will say don't buy anything if you don't know how it's made or what's in it but you can contact most companies and find out.
 

Yodaweed

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To each his own. I would just like to point out that rock phosphate will hurt you in your garden more than potassium silicate will. As far as your personal health are concerned. Not everything made in a lab is awful for you. Not everything natural is good for you. I will say don't buy anything if you don't know how it's made or what's in it but you can contact most companies and find out.
Synthesis[edit]
Potassium silicate can be synthesized in the laboratory by reacting Potassium Hydroxide with Silicon Dioxide with stirring at 90 °C following this reaction

n SiO2 + 2 KOH → K2O•nSiO2 + H2O

Potassium silicate is a water-soluble and glass-forming silicate salt
 

Yodaweed

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Chemicals like that do not go into organic grows because they are literally the opposite of organics, I took organic chemistry in college I know how these are made I don't want them in my organic grow at all, not even a drop of it. I use it in my hydroponic system , but I don't ingest any of that.
 

Rasta Roy

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I just don't understand why someone would go through all the work to do organic than pour salt based chemicals on their grow, that's not organic. Better off just not using that product if you cant source it from a good organic source instead of a chemical made in a lab.
Cause some of us get paid to experiment homie!
 

Yodaweed

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Cause some of us get paid to experiment homie!
I experiment in my hydroponics system , but when I am growing my organic grow, no chemicals come near it. This is the MAIN reason here in Colorado they are making an organic certification for cannabis growers, because so many people are claiming to be organic than pouring chemicals like "AGSIL 16H" on their marijuana and selling it as organic when it really is not organic at all, its drain to waste hydroponics at that point.
 

Rasta Roy

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I experiment in my hydroponics system , but when I am growing my organic grow, no chemicals come near it. This is the MAIN reason here in Colorado they are making an organic certification for cannabis growers, because so many people are claiming to be organic than pouring chemicals like "AGSIL 16H" on their marijuana and selling it as organic when it really is not organic at all, its drain to waste hydroponics at that point.
You're preaching to the choir friend. But when in Rome, sometimes you do as the Romans do.
 

GoRealUhGro

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I plan on doing some experiments this sEason myself..I will take my clones and run some in chem and some in organic...next year will be my real test unless the chem weed just dominates it for me..but I recently started a compost pile and I plan on putting g everything I possibly can in it...I love the idea of growing organic...especially Making all of my stuff...that's the best part of it for myself...but I have a question about STEEL MANURE ..cause this thread is supposed to be about it and all...would it be best to get the older cow shit from the feilds or the fresher patties...I meen idk if it matters since I'll be composting it..so I got both when I got my last big load...but I kinda thought that if there were any bad things in the poop the older patties would of had a better chance of getting g rid of thWm simply cause they are older and u wouldn't be introducing something into your compost u would want in it
 

Rasta Roy

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I plan on doing some experiments this sEason myself..I will take my clones and run some in chem and some in organic...next year will be my real test unless the chem weed just dominates it for me..but I recently started a compost pile and I plan on putting g everything I possibly can in it...I love the idea of growing organic...especially Making all of my stuff...that's the best part of it for myself...but I have a question about STEEL MANURE ..cause this thread is supposed to be about it and all...would it be best to get the older cow shit from the feilds or the fresher patties...I meen idk if it matters since I'll be composting it..so I got both when I got my last big load...but I kinda thought that if there were any bad things in the poop the older patties would of had a better chance of getting g rid of thWm simply cause they are older and u wouldn't be introducing something into your compost u would want in it
Haha yea sorry we went a bit off topic.
 

Yodaweed

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I plan on doing some experiments this sEason myself..I will take my clones and run some in chem and some in organic...next year will be my real test unless the chem weed just dominates it for me..but I recently started a compost pile and I plan on putting g everything I possibly can in it...I love the idea of growing organic...especially Making all of my stuff...that's the best part of it for myself...but I have a question about STEEL MANURE ..cause this thread is supposed to be about it and all...would it be best to get the older cow shit from the feilds or the fresher patties...I meen idk if it matters since I'll be composting it..so I got both when I got my last big load...but I kinda thought that if there were any bad things in the poop the older patties would of had a better chance of getting g rid of thWm simply cause they are older and u wouldn't be introducing something into your compost u would want in it
The steer manure I use has already been hot composted, careful with using fresh steer manure it can contain deadly bacteria (E.coli and others) use gloves, and take precautions, I would say probably the fresh would be best if you are going to compost it.
 
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