Under Sanders, income and jobs would soar, economist says

MuyLocoNC

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YOu mean what was our deficit before Obama took office what is it now?
And who controls the purse strings of the united states?
Suicidal progressives on both sides of the aisle.

Deficit reductions are fantasies and meaningless if the debt continues to grow. We'll have gone from ~$10 trillion up to just under $20 trillion during the Obama presidency. Thanks to ObamaCare and other progressive boondoggles, we're now on track to hit ~$30 trillion by 2026.

Yay! Hopey, Changey!
 

ChesusRice

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What was our debt then and what is our debt now?

Ok, so it came back and got thrown in that bottomless hole that is the government budget along with trillions of other dollars worth of IOU's that SOMEBODY is going to have to pay back. And that somebody is our kids and grandkids. But lots of people here dont give a fuck about that because they are too busy calling other people greedy... LO FUCKING L...
If Obama didn't come into office what would the debt be now?
You wont answer because you are dishonest
 

NLXSK1

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If Obama didn't come into office what would the debt be now?
You wont answer because you are dishonest
I cant answer because it is complete speculation. You are probably going to tell me it would be higher without being able to prove that.
 

NLXSK1

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I'm not pulling numbers out of my ass. But you sure are.
Lets review the conversation. I said 2 trillion did shit for the economy. You argued that it was less and most of it got paid back. Yet it did shit for the economy.

So, you argued a detail, possibly just to win an argument, I dont know. But the end result is that it didnt help the economy and we are much deeper in debt than before. Obama didnt fix anything with his massive spending plan. Kinda like if you want to keep your doctor you can and that healthcare premiums would drop, yadda yadda yadda...

Bernies plan sucks. It wont do what his liberal economist friend says it would do based on fantasy numbers.

The difference between me and Bernie Sanders is I can be wrong and it wont cost you trillions of dollars...
 

UncleBuck

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We'll have gone from ~$10 trillion up to just under $20 trillion during the Obama presidency. Thanks to ObamaCare and other progressive boondoggles, we're now on track to hit ~$30 trillion by 2026.
obama has not added a penny to the debt. he was given a $1.539 trillion annual deficit, which he has not added a penny to. all debt accrued is thanks to the republican you voted for before him, who inherited a surplus.

facts are a bitch, eh?
 

MuyLocoNC

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Unemployent now
unemployment 2009

Stock market now
Stock market 2009

Deficit now
Deficit 2009

Answer you dumbass high school drop out pool cleaning racist piece of shit
Unemployment is so bad, the formula used to calculate it has been rendered useless.
Stock market was awesome right before the last disaster, how'd that work out?
Deficits are meaningless...~$10 trillion in NEW DEBT during Obama presidency.
 

NLXSK1

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Unemployent now
unemployment 2009

Stock market now
Stock market 2009

Deficit now
Deficit 2009

Answer you dumbass high school drop out pool cleaning racist piece of shit
Every time the government increases the debt it is taxation without representation. The government should be forced to live within their budget.

They took in RECORD revenues this year and we still have a massive deficit creating an even more massive debt.
 

Lord Kanti

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Median income would soar by more than $22,000. Nearly 26 million jobs would be created. The unemployment rate would fall to 3.8%.

Those are just a few of the things that would happen if Bernie Sanders became president and his ambitious economic program were put into effect, according to an analysis given exclusively to CNNMoney. The first comprehensive look at the impact of all of Sanders' spending and tax proposals on the economy was done by Gerald Friedman, a University of Massachusetts Amherst economics professor.

This more sweeping analysis was not commissioned by the candidate, though Sanders' policy director called it "outstanding work." Friedman has worked with Sanders in the past, but has never received any compensation. The Vermont senator asked Friedman to estimate the cost of Sanders' Medicare-for-all plan -- which came out to $13.8 trillion over 10 years -- and included the analysis when he unveiled his proposal last month.

Friedman, who believes in democratic socialism like the candidate, found that if Sanders became president -- and was able to push his plan through Congress -- median household income would be $82,200 by 2026, far higher than the $59,300 projected by the Congressional Budget Office.

In addition, poverty would plummet to a record low 6%, as opposed to the CBO's forecast of 13.9%. The U.S. economy would grow by 5.3% per year, instead of 2.1%, and the nation's $1.3 trillion deficit would turn into a large surplus by Sanders' second term.

Other economists, however, feel that Friedman's analysis is overly optimistic, saying it would be difficult to achieve that level of economic prosperity. Last week, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget said Sanders' plan to pay for health care would fall short by at least $3 trillion.

Sanders' plan to pour $14.5 trillion into the economy -- including spending on infrastructure and youth employment, increasing Social Security benefits, making college free and expanding health care and family leave -- would juice GDP and productivity. (Friedman reduces the cost of Medicare-for-all to $10.7 trillion because he estimates the government would save $3.1 trillion by eliminating tax breaks for health insurance premiums.)

Also, Sanders would raise the minimum wage, as well as shift income from the rich to the middle and working class through tax hikes on the wealthy and corporations.

"Like the New Deal of the 1930s, Senator Sanders' program is designed to do more than merely increase economic activity," Friedman writes. It will "promote a more just prosperity, broadly-based with a narrowing of economy inequality."

Many presidential hopefuls say their economic programs would boost growth. Donald Trump and Jeb Bush justify their big tax cuts by saying GDP would grow at a 4% rate. But their plans have been panned by experts as overly optimistic.

Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.

The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.

"If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.

Sanders' policy director, Warren Gunnels, also defended the estimates, noting the candidate is thinking big.
"We haven't had such an ambitious agenda to rebuild the middle class since Presidents Roosevelt, Truman and Johnson," he said.

Still, some experts question whether the effects would be that large.

Stimulating demand can boost a weak economy during a recession, but "it's harder to accept as a long-run growth strategy," said William Gale, the former director of Brookings' Economic Studies Program.

Also, it would be very difficult to achieve and maintain an economic growth rate of 5.3% per year after inflation. That target hasn't been hit consistently since the 1960s, when technology was providing big advancements, the workforce was younger and there was increased demand for American products worldwide as other countries fully recovered from World War II.

"The 5.3% number is a fantasy," said Jim Kessler, senior vice president at Third Way, a centrist think tank.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/index.html
My first thought was, "wow, this guy's on drugs" and then I remembered what site I'm on.
 

ChesusRice

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Every time the government increases the debt it is taxation without representation. The government should be forced to live within their budget.

They took in RECORD revenues this year and we still have a massive deficit creating an even more massive debt.
Every time you open your mouth you seem even dumber than your last post
 
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