What does your perfect system look like?

[ricky1lung]

When you go to a farmers market do you demand documentation as to how potatoes are grown? The 'market which has no regulations' is clearly a strawman.

I don't go to farmers or flea markets.
Why?
I don't trust the products.
Much like most things at Walmart or almost anything in a dollar store.

Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[ricky1lung]

Yes, no regulations. There is no error in judgement. Regulation comes from the market place itself and the non harm principle. Lawsuits, trade associations, industries being created to ensure safety - outside of government and with a greatly reduced threat (especially with an educated responsible populace who votes with dollars) of being captured and monopolized to the benefit of a tiny few.

Again, where is Robroy.

 

[JungleStrikeGuy]

I don't go to farmers or flea markets.
Why?
I don't trust the products.
Much like most things at Walmart or almost anything in a dollar store.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Sounds like that LP weed might be causing some paranoia

This is a perfect example of prohibitionist thinking though. 'I don't trust something, therefore lets regulate it / ban it'

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Of course they do. The entire idea behind NAFTA and TPP was 'regulations' to help corporations and hurt citizens. Opening the floodgates to foreign workers is a 'regulation', and I'd say that'll hurt domestic jobs pretty badly.

Seriously, you need to stop holding up 'regulations' as some kind of panacea that magically fixes everything. It doesn't.

Regulations are just the ability to write law outside the purview of a voter. It's a bullshit. Completely unnecessary color of law bullshit. Parliament can override regulations but they rarely if ever do. Because they gave up the responsibility and they have blind faith because it's easier... or they're just paid off. Either or. Depends on the person.

The TPP is flat out treason against the country. So was NAFTA.

 

[JungleStrikeGuy]

Regulations are just the ability to write law outside the purview of a voter. It's a bullshit. Completely unnecessary color of law bullshit. Parliament can override regulations but they rarely if ever do. Because they gave up the responsibility and they have blind faith because it's easier... or they're just paid off. Either or. Depends on the person.

Good points here.

MMAR/MMPR were in the Gazette, not passed as an act of parliament. The government can scrap the entire program and replace it with the MMZR or whatever they want to call it in a day.

Putting it through a non-Harper parliament would encourage analysis from all sides. Rather than Aqlkakkwhatever / Ambrose rushing something through because they got slapped by the courts.

e: Not to mention R v Smith was handled with S 56 exemptions. That's even worse than the Gazette.

 

[awesomecannuk]

You guys are crazy.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

You guys are crazy.

Thoughtful response.

 

[JungleStrikeGuy]

The TPP is flat out treason against the country.

Yep. Any corporation can sue us, in secret courts arbitrated by corporate lawyers when we as a sovereign nation pass a law that might hurt their profits. We're the most sued nation under NAFTA.

e: And I guarantee you LP's will try and use it. If govt passes something allowing home grows, Tilray can easily say 'this is hurting our profits' and sue.

 

[redi jedi]

The product is bad?

I dont think so. I think you guys are out of touch with reality.

How many people die from oxy? Is the oxy bad?..no, it just has the potential to kill you if abused.

 

[ricky1lung]

Sounds like that LP weed might be causing some paranoia

This is a perfect example of prohibitionist thinking though. 'I don't trust something, therefore lets regulate it / ban it'

The spin is pathetic.
I'm clearly pro pot and open fair access.

Again, read my posts to see how foolish comments like that make you look.
Why would people take you seriously after such lame attempts at flaming that are obviously untrue?

You guys prefer to fight and argue than have an open minded conversation about the big picture.

I understand you're passionate, but if you were really pro mj you'd think about and consider all aspects of what a legal system would really look like.

It's all, pro BM and anti regulation in here. Really makes you wonder what people's motivations are.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

How many people die from oxy? Is the oxy bad?..no, it just has the potential to kill you if abused.

I think people should be able to grow their own opium too. Safer than oxy is. Even if imperfect. A lot cheaper too (not that oxy should be expensive but hello government controls to keep prices way sky high artificially).

 

[bigmanc]

@ricky1lung considering you grow your own, where did you get it tested?

 

[JungleStrikeGuy]

The spin is pathetic.
Why would people take you seriously after such lame attempts at flaming that are obviously untrue?

It's been demonstrated you have quite a poor grasp of the laws and constitutional status of cannabis, as well as parliamentary democracy in general.

You're darned right people are 'anti-regulation'. Regulations aren't intrinsically good and something that we should have way more of.

 

[torontoke]

The product is bad?

I dont think so. I think you guys are out of touch with reality.

How long have you been using mj?
Is tweed the best product you have ever had?

 

[ricky1lung]

I think people should be able to grow their own opium too. Safer than oxy is. Even if imperfect. A lot cheaper too (not that oxy should be expensive but hello government controls to keep prices way sky high artificially).

Yeah, that cocksucker who owns that pharma company and jacked prices and was then hit up on stock charges would have done a better job at regulating costs for patients and ensuring safe practices.

This is dumb. I honestly thought you were smarter.

 

[awesomecannuk]

Thoughtful response.

It's about all I can muster.
GOVERNMENT BAD! GRRRR

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Yeah, that cocksucker who owns that pharma company and jacked prices and was then hit up on stock charges would have done a better job at regulating costs for patients and ensuring safe practices.

This is dumb. I honestly thought you were smarter.

The only reason he could do that was because he owned the patents and had protection from government. I am a lot smarter than you are.

 

[JungleStrikeGuy]

Actually I'll expand a bit on regulations here.

Regulations are brought in to address an issue, like the SEC in the states to prevent stock shadiness.

What is the reason for 'regulation' when it comes to cannabis? There's some conflicting interests between med and rec for sure, but where are all the people who have either gotten sick or died from 'unregulated' weed?

 

[ricky1lung]

It's been demonstrated you have quite a poor grasp of the laws and constitutional status of cannabis, as well as parliamentary democracy in general.

You're darned right people are 'anti-regulation'. Regulations aren't intrinsically good and something that we should have way more of.

And yet not one person has proven me wrong. They spin in other directions but that's it.

I used the word right when I should have said privilege. I corrected myself and admitted the error.

Again, much more than most people would do here.

 

[ricky1lung]

The only reason he could do that was because he owned the patents and had protection from government. I am a lot smarter than you are.

Gov controls kept the prices in check.
You sure about that now?