giving defoliation during flower a try

[Labs Dexter]

I believe indoors needs defoliation because the light source is stationary, we all find our ways master it.... if it's lollipoping, topping, scrogging ect.

For me as my space is small so defoliation is a must and I found a way to less stunt in the process,

Untill recently thanks to someone here, gonna have to get the hang of that style and start defoliation with other later grows and compare to see if I see a difference.
But I am personal grower and like to have am and pm budds, and never grown anything without defoliating it lol so its a start.
I think people should try doing more practical work than theory and videos.
It's been my best learning curve so far

 

[Uncle Ben]

early stages of mainline you remove the fan leaves to keep the shoots growing at the same speed

That will slow down the rate of growth and produce less overall plant tissue including root mass. Not sure why anyone would want to do that.

Indoors I always mixed pure sativas with indica dom plants and managed the light issue by growing with HID's and raising the shorter ones with inverted pots, using reflective panels, etc.

To really hook the newbies one must add a kewl name to it, like "super" cropping, "super" soil.

 

[Sativied]

I didn't realize mainlining included removing any leaves? I didn't remove any, hmm. Must be talking about something different.

Yet I can still see a petiole from a missing fan.

I don't see how a one plant scrog nor the other comments about scrog and lst (the "best growers" don't lst at all..., they sog, top, or do nothing at all) make mainlining any more sensible. There are many forms of canopy control that in certain circumstances can be useful, mainlining is not a technique or method, just some dumb shit something posted in a stoner forum.

There is absolutely no way to achieve this with 1 plant without a trellis and Scrogging.

Absolutely huh? It appears you've never seen a good supercropper or monster cropper. You can get similar results (in yield) with cropping (pinch and bend) or just a few wires. I also don't agree it looks beautiful for a scrog. Uniform buds yes, but classic scrog-noob-error, no depth. A scrog is like trainingwheels on a bike. Again, fun for people with a few plants who like to play around, but not something any sensible farmer will get in his head.

early stages of mainline you remove the fan leaves to keep the shoots growing at the same speed

They normally grow around the same "speed", when you got 4 shoots, future colas, they unlikely grow all at very different rates. You can achieve the same thing usually with a single piece of wire and always without removing leaves. Pinch the longest shoots to slow 'm down for example. No need to retard the entire plant.

 

[warren kirk]

Yes, it exactly the same as tieing down the main terminal. Exactly. Lol. Only difference is you top (uncle Bens way) then tie them down. Not really sure why it's called mainline really, it is just early lst. But like I said, the early lst (mainline) keeps the plant WAYYYYYY shorter than regular topping. If I top my plants 30x in 3 weeks they will still be large, the "mainline" is just lst on a 2 week old plant. It's all the same, it works as seen in your and my pic

It's just a technique: U Fuck the same way all the time, I like change, Different, Not for big grows

 

[Uncle Ben]

I think people should try doing more practical work than theory and videos.
It's been my best learning curve so far

And I think some one needs to learn what makes a plant tick like Homebrewer and other seasoned growers have advised.

FWIW, I've done "practical work" for close to 50 years on all kinds of stuff which now includes growing tropical fruits in a large greenhouse. Ever eaten a home grown mango that registers 26 brix? Guarantee you'll give up your best pot plant to taste more of this Nectar of the Gods.

 

[AlphaPhase]

Yet I can still see a petiole from a missing fan.

I don't see how a one plant scrog nor the other comments about scrog and lst (the "best growers" don't lst at all..., they sog, top, or do nothing at all) make mainlining any more sensible. There are many forms of canopy control that in certain circumstances can be useful, mainlining is not a technique or method, just some dumb shit something posted in a stoner forum.

Absolutely huh? It appears you've never seen a good supercropper or monster cropper. You can get similar results (in yield) with cropping (pinch and bend) or just a few wires. I also don't agree it looks beautiful for a scrog. Uniform buds yes, but classic scrog-noob-error, no depth. A scrog is like trainingwheels on a bike. Again, fun for people with a few plants who like to play around, but not something any sensible farmer will get in his head.


They normally grow around the same "speed", when you got 4 shoots, future colas, they unlikely grow all at very different rates. You can achieve the same thing usually with a single piece of wire and always without removing leaves. Pinch the longest shoots to slow 'm down for example. No need to retard the entire plant.

Awesome leaf may have fell off, I don't remember, obviously 99% of the leaves are there lmfao. Don't put a seedling in vermifire soil and you'll keep all the leaves. Anyways, many of the best growers in cali that actually abide by the 99 plant limit and have 99 plants each under its own light, do Scrogging. 100% you'd know if you knew and none of the best growers in cali really do sog, except the Asians, I play around with sogs sometime, but again, plant count. Soooooo.. You're wrong there again. Monster cropping is something no large growers do on purpose, at least in America. That's for a backyard grower that screwed up and had to reveg his plant. The perks if you have 8 months for a plant to grow I suppose. Super cropping is great, all growers do that I'm sure, so you're right about that. But, again, that's in flower for most good growers only to maintain the canopy, people don't have much time to super crop in veg and make monster plants around here so they use nets, and Scrog, because, like I said, time for a turn around is a major issue. So, I do agree with super cropping

 

[AlphaPhase]

Oh, and you have to remember, all plants do NOT make huge colas. All strains are different, if that was any of the strains I grow, it would be about right for the bud size. If he's growing, say big bud, then I see your point about the Scrog depth.

 

[AlphaPhase]

Oh, and one more thing, if you "did nothing at all" to the plants we grow, you'd end up with a 8' plant in 2 months that yields 3 Oz and has like 2 tops. Most people I know only grow lanky, lower yield, sat Dom growing plants, like ogs for example, and you HAVE to top, bend, crop, trellis, stake, pretty much everything or you'll be extremely disappointed in the end results.

 

[AlphaPhase]

If you read my comment you'd have seen that I said it works. I don't care if people lst. I do too.

It's just a technique: U Fuck the same way all the time, I like change, Different, Not for big grows

 

[Sativied]

You're wrong there again.

Lol really... where was the first time. It's obvious several major fans are removed. FYI normally every branch has a fan below it, part of the set.

It's no surprise that people have their own interpretation of a made up nonsense technique... Same thing with mainlining and defoliation.

The fact they use scrogs already proves they are not the best growers by any means. So you're still wrong, on both accounts. Which is inevitable when you use words like "absolutely no way" and pretend to know how the best growers in cali grow... I know a few too, but thinking of them in the context of scrogging is already silly. Especially with large plant counts.

 

[Sativied]

Oh, and one more thing, if you "did nothing at all" to the plants we grow, you'd end up with a 8' plant in 2 months that yields 3 Oz and has like 2 tops.

Again you are talking in extremes and thus inevitable wrong. Vegging for 2 months is silly already. If your plants end up 8' you switched to 12/12 too late and vegged too long (classic mistake). If your scrog isn't deep enough you switched too soon or scrogged too long.

And if your cannabis plants don't grow racemes you're growing the hemp variety.

Above all, there's no false dilemma between "doing nothing at all" (which is what most sensible large growers do and have done for decades...) and mainlining. There's also no false dilemma between scrogging and some cropping or a few wires (what you call LST).

 

[abe supercro]

dang thought this thread was about defoliation this entire time. see ya around

 

[AlphaPhase]

Well we will have to agree to disagree I guess. And a 2week old 0lant does not have huge fans yet, maybe one set, (which that mainline plant has) and little baby soon to be fan leaves, as any grower knows that, so yes 99% of the leaves were on that plant lmao, come on man, just look at it, they're all there except whatever little baby leaf dried up and fell off.

And by the way, 99% of all commercial mj growers here also lollipop

Now back to the defoliate thread.

I have some gardening to do.

 

[AlphaPhase]

I'm pretty sure @Aeroknow knows one of the very few WA state legal rec growers with 400 lights. I'm sure that guy uses nets and tucks and shapes all the gear as well as lollipops. Might not full out Scrog a single plant, but I can guarantee there are nets in place for canopy control and shaping (which is all Scrog is). Different strokes for different folks.

 

[AlphaPhase]

Oh, and we don't grow hemp, we grow the highest % thc buds in the world fwiw, they are just smaller yielder with smaller buds.

 

[jacksthc]

Yet I can still see a petiole from a missing fan.

I don't see how a one plant scrog nor the other comments about scrog and lst (the "best growers" don't lst at all..., they sog, top, or do nothing at all) make mainlining any more sensible. There are many forms of canopy control that in certain circumstances can be useful, mainlining is not a technique or method, just some dumb shit something posted in a stoner forum.

Absolutely huh? It appears you've never seen a good supercropper or monster cropper. You can get similar results (in yield) with cropping (pinch and bend) or just a few wires. I also don't agree it looks beautiful for a scrog. Uniform buds yes, but classic scrog-noob-error, no depth. A scrog is like trainingwheels on a bike. Again, fun for people with a few plants who like to play around, but not something any sensible farmer will get in his head.




They normally grow around the same "speed", when you got 4 shoots, future colas, they unlikely grow all at very different rates. You can achieve the same thing usually with a single piece of wire and always without removing leaves. Pinch the longest shoots to slow 'm down for example. No need to retard the entire plant.

if one shoot is a little bigger than the rest and nearer the main light it will become the dominant shoot and take more enegy from the roots and grow quicker than the rest

this is how you grow even cola's with only a few fan leaves



the ideal is to keep all the fan leaves the same size on each shoot so they grow at the same speed, not one for sitting back and hopping for the best lol



my scrog, don't see any proble here, removed lots of weak shoots and half the fan leaves couple days before i flower them






did the same again on a single plant

 

[Sativied]

You can downplay it all you want but the fact remains leaves are removed which does not actually help the plant, especially at that early stage. The whole point is that it's a waste of time and labor to do something that can be achieved faster and with little to no effort.

I don't believe you have a very good insight in what 99% of those growers do but regardless, lollypopping is yet another in cannabis forums made up nonsense technique with a very similar foundation of cannabis grow techniques: people taking things too extreme. Removing a few loser shoots at the bottom is just that, it doest need a name like lollypopping with the result that some people think more is better. Same with using some gardening wire and calling it lst, same with removing some leaves and calling it defoliation and make the act a goal by itself. Same with combining gardening wire with topping and then calling it mainline and then take it too a point where it becomes silly and counterproductive... Same with PK... Same with flushing...

There's a fitting word for this pattern: idiocracy.

 

[jacksthc]

You can downplay it all you want but the fact remains leaves are removed which does not actually help the plant, especially at that early stage. The whole point is that it's a waste of time and labor to do something that can be achieved faster and with little to no effort.

I don't believe you have a very good insight in what 99% of those growers do but regardless, lollypopping is yet another in cannabis forums made up nonsense technique with a very similar foundation of cannabis grow techniques: people taking things too extreme. Removing a few loser shoots at the bottom is just that, it doest need a name like lollypopping with the result that some people think more is better. Same with using some gardening wire and calling it lst, same with removing some leaves and calling it defoliation and make the act a goal by itself. Same with combining gardening wire with topping and then calling it mainline and then take it too a point where it becomes silly and counterproductive... Same with PK... Same with flushing...

There's a fitting word for this pattern: idiocracy.

I call it canopy control, I am a perpetual grower and need to keep my plant small for 6 weeks till i can flower off the next crop, so I use the time to shape my canopy to gain a high yeild from short plants
also like to keep my plant count down

most members on here (including me) just want to grow a few plants in a perpetual setup and pull a few oz's every 2 mouths, keeping the running cost as low as possible

 

[AlphaPhase]

All I know is you don't get 618 pounds from 25 plants by just letting them grow. Takes some training skills. And that is all anything in the end is about.

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

All I know is you don't get 618 pounds from 25 plants by just letting them grow. Takes some training skills. And that is all anything in the end is about.

You're pulling almost 25 lbs per plant?

Wow !!

 

[AlphaPhase]

You're pulling almost 25 lbs per plant?

Wow !!

I don't grow outdoor anymore, and back east when I did outdoor, it was in a shitty short growing season and the most I got was 10-12. As soon as I can grow outdoor on the sunny west coast I plan to double that though (possibly lol)

I was just referencing the mendo dope guys, they get about that on their outdoor plants. Freaking amazing!





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