Donald Trump

[bu$hleaguer]

Ya that's the one thing I miss everyone waving their cultural heritage flag it's just a sea of American flags here
Nothing wrong with that but you're an American citizen you have a heritage a culture you should be proud and know it doesn't make you a bad citizen
Americans seem to think that because they are American they must erase all cultural or heritage past

Uh hell no not in Canada be proud of who you are where you came from and what country you are currently in

Who says that? I don't know a single person who isn't proud of their heritage or ancestry.

 

[sunni]

Who says that? I don't know a single person who isn't proud of their heritage or ancestry.

well thats good , ive seen it a lot , and herd it a lot online mostly just really right wing people tho

 

[bu$hleaguer]

Wow this threads a fucking mess! I'll just say that the hardest working people I've ever worked with are Mexicans, and I employ about a dozen of them in my restaurants. That being said, I think fair is fair, and illegal is illegal. build a fucking wall.

 

[bu$hleaguer]

well thats good , ive seen it a lot , and herd it a lot online mostly just really right wing people tho

Huh. It's bullshit to label it a left or right issue. I think if people thought that or denounced their heritage there would only be one language in this country. There also wouldn't be 50 different ethnic neighborhoods in every big city. I think we're all proud of where we're from. I see Mexican flags everyday here in Austin, and back home in ny there are flags from everywhere where I'm from

 

[heckler73]

Wow this threads a fucking mess! I'll just say that the hardest working people I've ever worked with are Mexicans, and I employ about a dozen of them in my restaurants. That being said, I think fair is fair, and illegal is illegal. build a fucking wall.

It worked for Zhong Guo against Mongol hordes.
Then again, Mongol technology consisted of horses, silk shirts, bolt projectiles and fire. Maybe a catapult if fortunate enough to have commandeered one.
A wall would provide a filter, but not a solid defense. There is still the moral hazard problem within American capitalism which leaves incentive for the use of illegals on the table, unfettered. A defensive, economic policy needs to be applied as well if a holistic treatment of the issue is desired.
So long as the incentive is there, a wall is only an impediment, not a cure.

 

[doublejj]

don't need a wall if you make a big fine for hiring undocumented immigrant. Mexico will need the wall...

 

[bu$hleaguer]

Isn't there a pretty hefty fine already in place for hiring illegals?

It's weird but when this debate comes up at work the Mexicans are about 50/50 on the issue, or maybe they're just saying that because they're in America... I don't know. Half of them chime in with shit like "America is stupid for letting everyone who wants to be in here in here.. We need a wall to protect those of us who are legal." And then hey argue back and forth but it's pretty evenly split. There's also a bunch of them who really like Trump for standing up and saying something. A bunch of them told me they're going to vote for him!

 

[pnwmystery]

It worked for Zhong Guo against Mongol hordes.
Then again, Mongol technology consisted of horses, silk shirts, bolt projectiles and fire. Maybe a catapult if fortunate enough to have commandeered one.
A wall would provide a filter, but not a solid defense. There is still the moral hazard problem within American capitalism which leaves incentive for the use of illegals on the table, unfettered. A defensive, economic policy needs to be applied as well if a holistic treatment of the issue is desired.
So long as the incentive is there, a wall is only an impediment, not a cure.

If the wall worked against the Mongol Hordes why was there the Liao dynasty, the Jin dynasty, the Yuan dynasty, and the Qing dynasty?

 

[heckler73]

If the wall worked against the Mongol Hordes why was there the Liao dynasty, the Jin dynasty, the Yuan dynasty, and the Qing dynasty?

I don't know (read:I'm not interested in researching it myself because I don't see the contextual value beyond the device as I used it).
Please enlighten me if it has any relevance.

 

[sunni]

Huh. It's bullshit to label it a left or right issue. I think if people thought that or denounced their heritage there would only be one language in this country. There also wouldn't be 50 different ethnic neighborhoods in every big city. I think we're all proud of where we're from. I see Mexican flags everyday here in Austin, and back home in ny there are flags from everywhere where I'm from

my statement wasnt solely directed to mexican culture more like all cultures , i wasnt labelling a left or right issue i said i mostly hear it from people who have strong "right winged" thoughts & beliefs

 

[pnwmystery]

I don't know (read:I'm not interested in researching it myself because I don't see the contextual value beyond the device as I used it).
Please enlighten me if it has any relevance.

If someone's determined enough to get around your wall they will get around your wall. The Liao and Jin dynasties never made it that far past the Great Wall(s) of China, but the Jin succeeded in pushing the Song out of Northern China into Southern China. The Yuan dynasty was Mongolian, Kublai Khan - one of Gengis Khan's grandsons -founded it. The Qing dynasty invaded China from Manchuria.




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[heckler73]

If someone's determined enough to get around your wall they will get around your wall. The Liao and Jin dynasties never made it that far past the Great Wall(s) of China, but the Jin succeeded in pushing the Song out of Northern China into Southern China. The Yuan dynasty was Mongolian, Kublai Khan - one of Gengis Khan's grandsons -founded it. The Qing dynasty invaded China from Manchuria.

Well then, I'll take it you agree with my original point of a wall alone not being adequate to mitigate the problem to the complete satisfaction of the intent.
Thank you for the concise history lesson.

 

[bu$hleaguer]

my statement wasnt solely directed to mexican culture more like all cultures , i wasnt labelling a left or right issue i said i mostly hear it from people who have strong "right winged" thoughts & beliefs

Yeah i got ya. I saw what you said that's why I responded and asked. I guess I just don't understand how it isn't a left or right issue if you made it one by saying that it comes from right wingers.

Edit @sunni it doesn't matter either way, I don't care

 

[pnwmystery]

Well then, I'll take it you agree with my original point of a wall alone not being adequate to mitigate the problem to the complete satisfaction of the intent.
Thank you for the concise history lesson.

Ah crap completely misread went back to reread and yes agree. Sorry!

 

[Corso312]

Billions are wasted now on" border security" Its like a board game, get pinched and get sent back to Mexico or Honduras or El Salvador...regroup n try again. Its a joke.


That dickbag who killed that poor Lady in Frisco was deported 5 times.. He's got a second grade education. How can some clown with a second grade education re enter the Country 5 times n continually outsmart the Border patrol. What a huge waste of resource .

 

[ChesusRice]

Billions are wasted now on" border security" Its like a board game, get pinched and get sent back to Mexico or Honduras or El Salvador...regroup n try again. Its a joke.


That dickbag who killed that poor Lady in Frisco was deported 5 times.. He's got a second grade education. How can some clown with a second grade education re enter the Country 5 times n continually outsmart the Border patrol. What a huge waste of resource .

I think he accidentally shot her.

 

[spandy]

Who says that? I don't know a single person who isn't proud of their heritage or ancestry.

My ancestors were mostly farmers. Good for them, but it doesn't get me wet. Nor does their skin color, or what spec of dirt they called home. Wasn't there, don't know what kind of people they really were other than all the feel good stories that were passed on. Hope they enjoyed life, because now they are dead.

 

[ChesusRice]

My ancestors were mostly farmers. Good for them, but it doesn't get me wet. Nor does their skin color, or what spec of dirt they called home. Wasn't there, don't know what kind of people they really were other than all the feel good stories that were passed on. Hope they enjoyed life, because now they are dead.

Did they need a visa and permission to come here?

 

[spandy]

Did they need a visa and permission to come here?

They entered the country legally, and continued to be lawful contributors to society.

 

[OddBall1st]

Who says that? I don't know a single person who isn't proud of their heritage or ancestry.

She read that on the internet........then moved to America.......