This a problem or am I just being too anal about my plant's health.. (pics inside!)

canadianreefer

canadianreefer

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Hey dudes,

medium: soil
light: 250w mh for veg, hps for flower
nutes: 24-9-16 (or very close to that) miracle grow for primarily nitrogen, and 15-30-15 for flowering (havent used this one yet).

So my plant's (blueberry x nl) 3 weeks old, and it seems to be growing nicely (I gave it a shot of nitrogen a fwe days ago because the whole plant was becoming pale green and the plant was yellowing from the bottom up, as well as the growth being stunted. After the nitrogen, it seemed to jump back to life and continue to grow nicely.

So here's a photo of my plant today. Just this morning I noticed these little brown tips of two of the newest leaves. Are these brown tips a problem or am I just really paranoid about the health of my plant? I don't think it would be nute burn since it didn't show signs until several days later, but I thought it may have been heat stress?

So I lowered the plant another 2 or so inches from the light (i say lowered because my fixture's hanging in place, but the plant itself is on an adjustable shelf rack system, so i can keep lowering it as the plant grows larger).

What do you think the problem with the plant is?
 

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Woomeister

Woomeister

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canadianreefer said:
Hey dudes,

medium: soil
light: 250w mh for veg, hps for flower
nutes: 24-9-16 (or very close to that) miracle grow for primarily nitrogen, and 15-30-15 for flowering (havent used this one yet).

So my plant's (blueberry x nl) 3 weeks old, and it seems to be growing nicely (I gave it a shot of nitrogen a fwe days ago because the whole plant was becoming pale green and the plant was yellowing from the bottom up, as well as the growth being stunted. After the nitrogen, it seemed to jump back to life and continue to grow nicely.

So here's a photo of my plant today. Just this morning I noticed these little brown tips of two of the newest leaves. Are these brown tips a problem or am I just really paranoid about the health of my plant? I don't think it would be nute burn since it didn't show signs until several days later, but I thought it may have been heat stress?

So I lowered the plant another 2 or so inches from the light (i say lowered because my fixture's hanging in place, but the plant itself is on an adjustable shelf rack system, so i can keep lowering it as the plant grows larger).

What do you think the problem with the plant is?
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Start of nute burn, you should avoid nutes for about 3 weeks from sprouting.
 
canadianreefer

canadianreefer

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Hmmm alright... Is there anything I can do to help the plant or should I just let it do it's thing?
And is nute burn deadly to the plant or will it pass?
 
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scoobysnak

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Marical grow is your problem.

stick with the organic stuff, its harder to fuck up. I would suggest fox farms big grow for veg and tiger bloom for flower. You could also toss in some alaska fish ferts and liquid karma, oh yeah! They like that stuff!
 
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EverythingISayIsPRETEND

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scoobysnak said:
Marical grow is your problem.

stick with the organic stuff, its harder to fuck up. I would suggest fox farms big grow for veg and tiger bloom for flower. You could also toss in some alaska fish ferts and liquid karma, oh yeah! They like that stuff!
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Miracle gro is bomb if you know how to use it, start with 1/4 strength
 
BlessAmerica

BlessAmerica

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Hey Canadian,

First, I would put my money on it that your plant was showing nute deficiency problems due to the fact your container appears to be too small. This limits the roots ability to grow and uptake essential nutrients.

Second, you fed the plant synthetic fert. derived from petrolium, which is generally harsher, significantly increases the risk of nute burn, and kills beneficial microbes in your soil.

What to do??? Transplant into a 3-gal plant container. Then flush with approx. 2 gallons of water. Flush in the morning, to allow good light & heat to reduce mold, and do not re water for 5 or so days to avoid root rot.

You should not give a young plant ferts at all. And fish emulsion is cheap, pure N, and will not cause burn.

Good Luck :peace:
 
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scoobysnak

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BlessAmerica said:
Hey Canadian,

First, I would put my money on it that your plant was showing nute deficiency problems due to the fact your container appears to be too small. This limits the roots ability to grow and uptake essential nutrients.

Second, you fed the plant synthetic fert. derived from petrolium, which is generally harsher, significantly increases the risk of nute burn, and kills beneficial microbes in your soil.

What to do??? Transplant into a 3-gal plant container. Then flush with approx. 2 gallons of water. Flush in the morning, to allow good light & heat to reduce mold, and do not re water for 5 or so days to avoid root rot.

You should not give a young plant ferts at all. And fish emulsion is cheap, pure N, and will not cause burn.

Good Luck :peace:
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*WERD* This guy knows his shit. Listen to him.
 
wackymack

wackymack

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the gnats are in the organic mg bag and hatch out when they do,if u sit the bag out in the sun the heat will kill the eggs,or if u freeze it ti to willl kill the eggs,

edit dont open the bag when doin either or

i hvent tried bakin the soil in the oven wo bag yet,prob will soon
 
Woomeister

Woomeister

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wackymack said:
the gnats are in the organic mg bag and hatch out when they do,if u sit the bag out in the sun the heat will kill the eggs,or if u freeze it ti to willl kill the eggs,

edit dont open the bag when doin either or

i hvent tried bakin the soil in the oven wo bag yet,prob will soon
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Cheers, now I understand!
 
canadianreefer

canadianreefer

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BlessAmerica said:
Hey Canadian,

First, I would put my money on it that your plant was showing nute deficiency problems due to the fact your container appears to be too small. This limits the roots ability to grow and uptake essential nutrients.

Second, you fed the plant synthetic fert. derived from petrolium, which is generally harsher, significantly increases the risk of nute burn, and kills beneficial microbes in your soil.

What to do??? Transplant into a 3-gal plant container. Then flush with approx. 2 gallons of water. Flush in the morning, to allow good light & heat to reduce mold, and do not re water for 5 or so days to avoid root rot.

You should not give a young plant ferts at all. And fish emulsion is cheap, pure N, and will not cause burn.

Good Luck :peace:
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Wow nice reply dude, thanks alot.

You either really know your stuff or you know that I don't know that you actually have no clue what you're talking about.
Either way I'll take your word for it on this one.

Thanks everyone for the replies :)
 
bonz

bonz

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FOR MIRACLE GROW NUTES :

If you really MUST use Miracle Grow Nutes or Soil cuz there isn't anything else available (cost can't be a reason, MG is about the same price as some organics !)

THEN USE THIS GUIDE PLEASE!!!

(enough for 2-3 plants .. just use more jugs for more plants!)
Get regular miracle grow (Not tomato or Rose food or azalea formula!)
AND Blossom Booster (or Schultz Professional Bloom food)
get 2- 1 gallon jugs of spring water from the store (about $1 each)
and an empty jug. Mark them (A) (B) & (C) --- (B) is the empty jug!

in the 1st jug (A) mix the MG at 1/4 the recomended rate for indoor plants.

In the 2nd jug (C), mix at 1/2 stregnth for indoor plants.

pour 1/2 of both into the empty jug (B)

Now-- when your plants get their 3rd set of leaves, feed once every 10 days. Start with (A) for the 1st 2 feed... then (B).. and end-up with (C) the week before you go 12/12.

FLUSH YOUR PLANTS WITH 5 GALLONS OF CLEAR WATER BEFOR GOING 12/12!

MG builds up-- and will lock-up as you add the stronger bloom nutes!
as the final part of the flush-- pour in a couple pints of your new bloom nutes (see below)


Do the same with your bloom nutes, Mix ahead in larger amounts... BUT--mix Jug (A) at 1/2 rate, Jug (C) at full stregnth-- and (B) the 2 mixed.

Start with (A) the 1st day of 12/12, then again in 10 days,
then switch to (B). Do not switch to (C) until the week before you flush for harvest!
when the trichomes just start turning cloudy, give em their last dose. In 10 days, check the trichs again.. if not all cloudy, you can feed again-- But go back to (B)

MAKE SURE TO FLUSH WELL AND WAIT THE FULL 2 WEEKS TO HARVEST!

You need to flush all the Nitrogen and magnesium out of the plants-- so Flush them well, put back in the bloom room the full 2 weeks till harvest, water as needed .. but absolutely no nutes or foliar sprays!

IF you foliar fed during the grow-- be sure to use a sprayer of water to gently shower it off the plants! (also gets rid of dead bugs & dust stuck to the buds!)

USING MG SOIL IS NEVER RECOMENDED!!
it has TIME RELEASED nutes-- so flushing is impossible... and you do not know how much nutes are being released or used by the plants.
If yYou Used MG soil, do NOT nute at all during veg... and use only additional P-K and suppliments without "N" during bloom...
And pre-harvest flushing can NOT be done on the normal 2 week schedule because of the time released nutes-- you must emergency flush when the trichs are how ya want em...



Cut the plant off at soil level. Place plant in a bucket with enough PLAIN tapwater to cover the base, but not touch lower limbs or vegetation....

Add a bubbler to the bucket to help "fool" the plant into thinking it is still alive (this only works up to 4 days before they wilt!)
Tthe plant will now use the nutrients stored in it's system . Leave under the lights at least 2 days-- up to 4 (3 is the usual amount)
IF you are one who puts their plants in the dark the last 3 days, give em at least 24 hours under lights before ya do... the photosynthesis will help the plant flush out unused nitrogen.


When using MG Fertilizer (as well as Schultz or Peter's ) Watch for:
Clawing
brown dry spots
crinckling leaves
pale new growth
Yellowing

if these happen, flush the plant, and wait 2-3 days before feeding again.
If Using MG soil and this happens, your best route is to re-plant in a bigger planter with different soil... DO NOT try to remove the existing soil from the roots of the plant!!!!

Good luck--
MG may not be the best-- but it CAN work!

Source: Lady Zandra
 
wackymack

wackymack

Well-Known Member
bonz said:
FOR MIRACLE GROW NUTES :

If you really MUST use Miracle Grow Nutes or Soil cuz there isn't anything else available (cost can't be a reason, MG is about the same price as some organics !)

THEN USE THIS GUIDE PLEASE!!!

(enough for 2-3 plants .. just use more jugs for more plants!)
Get regular miracle grow (Not tomato or Rose food or azalea formula!)
AND Blossom Booster (or Schultz Professional Bloom food)
get 2- 1 gallon jugs of spring water from the store (about $1 each)
and an empty jug. Mark them (A) (B) & (C) --- (B) is the empty jug!

in the 1st jug (A) mix the MG at 1/4 the recomended rate for indoor plants.

In the 2nd jug (C), mix at 1/2 stregnth for indoor plants.

pour 1/2 of both into the empty jug (B)

Now-- when your plants get their 3rd set of leaves, feed once every 10 days. Start with (A) for the 1st 2 feed... then (B).. and end-up with (C) the week before you go 12/12.

FLUSH YOUR PLANTS WITH 5 GALLONS OF CLEAR WATER BEFOR GOING 12/12!

MG builds up-- and will lock-up as you add the stronger bloom nutes!
as the final part of the flush-- pour in a couple pints of your new bloom nutes (see below)


Do the same with your bloom nutes, Mix ahead in larger amounts... BUT--mix Jug (A) at 1/2 rate, Jug (C) at full stregnth-- and (B) the 2 mixed.

Start with (A) the 1st day of 12/12, then again in 10 days,
then switch to (B). Do not switch to (C) until the week before you flush for harvest!
when the trichomes just start turning cloudy, give em their last dose. In 10 days, check the trichs again.. if not all cloudy, you can feed again-- But go back to (B)

MAKE SURE TO FLUSH WELL AND WAIT THE FULL 2 WEEKS TO HARVEST!

You need to flush all the Nitrogen and magnesium out of the plants-- so Flush them well, put back in the bloom room the full 2 weeks till harvest, water as needed .. but absolutely no nutes or foliar sprays!

IF you foliar fed during the grow-- be sure to use a sprayer of water to gently shower it off the plants! (also gets rid of dead bugs & dust stuck to the buds!)

USING MG SOIL IS NEVER RECOMENDED!!
it has TIME RELEASED nutes-- so flushing is impossible... and you do not know how much nutes are being released or used by the plants.
If yYou Used MG soil, do NOT nute at all during veg... and use only additional P-K and suppliments without "N" during bloom...
And pre-harvest flushing can NOT be done on the normal 2 week schedule because of the time released nutes-- you must emergency flush when the trichs are how ya want em...



Cut the plant off at soil level. Place plant in a bucket with enough PLAIN tapwater to cover the base, but not touch lower limbs or vegetation....

Add a bubbler to the bucket to help "fool" the plant into thinking it is still alive (this only works up to 4 days before they wilt!)
Tthe plant will now use the nutrients stored in it's system . Leave under the lights at least 2 days-- up to 4 (3 is the usual amount)
IF you are one who puts their plants in the dark the last 3 days, give em at least 24 hours under lights before ya do... the photosynthesis will help the plant flush out unused nitrogen.


When using MG Fertilizer (as well as Schultz or Peter's ) Watch for:
Clawing
brown dry spots
crinckling leaves
pale new growth
Yellowing

if these happen, flush the plant, and wait 2-3 days before feeding again.
If Using MG soil and this happens, your best route is to re-plant in a bigger planter with different soil... DO NOT try to remove the existing soil from the roots of the plant!!!!

Good luck--
MG may not be the best-- but it CAN work!

Source: Lady Zandra
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start your own thread instead of hijacking refers,this is his thread,no offence
 
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