Public Schools

[ginwilly]

Ok. Did your parents not teach you study habit ? What was the highest math you took in high school ? I assume your parents could not afford private schooling. Was home school an option ?

All my school had was pre-calc but 4 of us in our school were able to attend another school in the district for calculus, that's how I clepped out of Calc I at UM. My parents were not able to help me in math after the 8th grade.

I went to an experimental elementary school in 5th and 6th grade that kids of mixed age and we went on when we completed a task but not before. If you were able to scoot ahead you were allowed. Me and a friend of mine were both very competitive and were doing algebra in 6th grade. When we went to jr high, the teachers didn't know how to teach us because we were so far ahead that we got to just in age appropriate classes and review what we already knew, bored to tears. I won a MEAP math award in 6th grade and again in 12th, the first from my district and I was not a genius. Imagine how much my school would have failed geniuses.

Loved the social life, loved the sports, the rest was a fail.

 

[nitro harley]

somethings I view myself as being smart others I view myself as needing to learn more. My learning is never ending.
See I have no problems answering the question. Now you try

London.

Alright I will answer . I happen to be smarter than a fish. There is always something to learn, it helps keep your mind healthy.

 

[ginwilly]

Another issue I have other than everyone THIS age must learn THIS material, like we all develop at the same rate.. Is the money and how it's used politically.

We have the federal dept of education, the state board (some have 2), a county board of education, a district board, then a school board. If cuts need to be made, we end music classes or make cheerleaders pay for their own uniforms. We have incrementally increased the amount per student and our education ranks much lower in the world now than it did 30 years ago. That's unacceptable.

 

[londonfog]

All my school had was pre-calc but 4 of us in our school were able to attend another school in the district for calculus, that's how I clepped out of Calc I at UM. My parents were not able to help me in math after the 8th grade.

I went to an experimental elementary school in 5th and 6th grade that kids of mixed age and we went on when we completed a task but not before. If you were able to scoot ahead you were allowed. Me and a friend of mine were both very competitive and were doing algebra in 6th grade. When we went to jr high, the teachers didn't know how to teach us because we were so far ahead that we got to just in age appropriate classes and review what we already knew, bored to tears. I won a MEAP math award in 6th grade and again in 12th, the first from my district and I was not a genius. Imagine how much my school would have failed geniuses.

Loved the social life, loved the sports, the rest was a fail.

Your parents could not afford to send you to private school nor able to home school you. Your only choice was public schools. so without public school you would have done what ?

 

[londonfog]

London.

Alright I will answer . I happen to be smarter than a fish. There is always something to learn, it helps keep your mind healthy.

lol. Did you attend public school ?

 

[desert dude]

I went to public school in Chicago, first through eighth grade. Skipped Kindergarten because I was just that damn smart. Dropped out of high school two weeks after the start of freshmen year and never went back, because I was just that damn smart. I got my GED during basic training in the Army. I decided while in the Army that I needed to learn math, so I took the USAFI courses offered: Algebra, Geometry, and Trig and learned those by self study. If you really want to learn something thoroughly, study it yourself.

Some public schools are top notch. Some teachers are top notch. Most aren't. Schools don't make you smart, your genes and your sweat do that. Most kids learn very little in school because they don't put any effort into it. In general, that is where Asian kids rule; they put effort into school because their parents insist on it.

Most of what I have learned has been through self study and keeping my eyes and ears open. I graduated college. That was a ticket that had to be punched and I learned a lot and I enjoyed it. I had a few really good teachers in College. My very favorite professor was Martha Watson. Martha was about five feet tall, had a southern accent and walked with a limp. She was a lesbian. She looked like everybody's stereotypical grandmother. Martha had a PhD in math and she taught me calculus by insisting that I attend class everyday and turn in my homework. She is probably dead now, she was old when she was my professor. She probably doesn't know that I idolize her to this day.

 

[ginwilly]

Your parent could not afford to send you to private school nor able to home school you. Your only choice was public schools. so with out public school you would have done what ?

Well, let's say public school was my only choice (if property taxes weren't higher in MI at that time than mortgages, my family could have afforded a nice private school). I had the choice of exactly one school to attend, the school a few block from mine had a much better culture, much better education but worse sports teams. I would have received a much better education given a choice. I wasn't.

 

[desert dude]

how about per prisoner?

Different thread, but a lot more I am sure.

Learning is not something that is inserted into you by others, it is something you gather on your own. Others can offer advice and guidance about what their experience tells them is important for you to learn, but the actual learning part has to be done on your own.

 

[londonfog]

Well, let's say public school was my only choice (if property taxes weren't higher in MI at that time than mortgages, my family could have afforded a nice private school). I had the choice of exactly one school to attend, the school a few block from mine had a much better culture, much better education but worse sports teams. I would have received a much better education given a choice. I wasn't.

I doubt that your property tax was so high it prevented you from attending private school, but if that's the story you are riding with.
You blamed your study habits on school. I think you should blame your study habits on your home.
So are you one that thinks we don't need public schools anymore. Just trying to understand you.

 

[schuylaar]

I went to public school in Chicago, first through eighth grade. Skipped Kindergarten because I was just that damn smart. Dropped out of high school two weeks after the start of freshmen year and never went back, because I was just that damn smart. I got my GED during basic training in the Army. I decided while in the Army that I needed to learn math, so I took the USAFI courses offered: Algebra, Geometry, and Trig and learned those by self study. If you really want to learn something thoroughly, study it yourself.

Some public schools are top notch. Some teachers are top notch. Most aren't. Schools don't make you smart, your genes and your sweat do that. Most kids learn very little in school because they don't put any effort into it. In general, that is where Asian kids rule; they put effort into school because their parents insist on it.

Most of what I have learned has been through self study and keeping my eyes and ears open. I graduated college. That was a ticket that had to be punched and I learned a lot and I enjoyed it. I had a few really good teachers in College. My very favorite professor was Martha Watson. Martha was about five feet tall, had a southern accent and walked with a limp. She was a lesbian. She looked like everybody's stereotypical grandmother. Martha had a PhD in math and she taught me calculus by insisting that I attend class everyday and turn in my homework. She is probably dead now, she was old when she was my professor. She probably doesn't know that I idolize her to this day.

my last math professor was brilliant..just too fast and to slow her was tragedy..she no longer teaches algebra she's meant for greater..no PhD but 20 years at my school..i'm still in awe..I'm on a self teach track with my math this year.

 

[ginwilly]

I doubt that your property tax was so high it prevented you from attending private school, but if that's the story you are riding with.
You blamed your study habits on school. I think you should blame your study habits on your home.
So are you one that thinks we don't need public schools anymore. Just trying to understand you.

I'm saying our public school system is trash and needs to be fixed. I'm all for an educated society but that's not the purpose of our schools as much as it is an indoctrination of good little soldiers.

 

[desert dude]

Money teaches nothing.

 

[londonfog]

I went to public school in Chicago, first through eighth grade. Skipped Kindergarten because I was just that damn smart. Dropped out of high school two weeks after the start of freshmen year and never went back, because I was just that damn smart. I got my GED during basic training in the Army. I decided while in the Army that I needed to learn math, so I took the USAFI courses offered: Algebra, Geometry, and Trig and learned those by self study. If you really want to learn something thoroughly, study it yourself.

Some public schools are top notch. Some teachers are top notch. Most aren't. Schools don't make you smart, your genes and your sweat do that. Most kids learn very little in school because they don't put any effort into it. In general, that is where Asian kids rule; they put effort into school because their parents insist on it.

Most of what I have learned has been through self study and keeping my eyes and ears open. I graduated college. That was a ticket that had to be punched and I learned a lot and I enjoyed it. I had a few really good teachers in College. My very favorite professor was Martha Watson. Martha was about five feet tall, had a southern accent and walked with a limp. She was a lesbian. She looked like everybody's stereotypical grandmother. Martha had a PhD in math and she taught me calculus by insisting that I attend class everyday and turn in my homework. She is probably dead now, she was old when she was my professor. She probably doesn't know that I idolize her to this day.

your parents allowed you to drop out of school as a freshmen ? and I don't think you were that damn smart that you could just drop out of high school. The Army took you without a diploma or a GED ?

 

[desert dude]

The federal department of education should be abolished. It is just another expansion of federal power, and its only relationship to education is in its title.

 

[NoDrama]

not everyone can afford to go to private school. Public school does not charge. Not every area has the choice of charter school. The choices I'm looking at is home schooling or public schooling.

No, you have put up only 2 choices, because in your mind there are no alternatives. In your mind public school is "Free". Your cognitive dissonance does not allow you to see alternatives, your mind does not allow you to think outside the box from which you have willingly enslaved yourself to its practices.

Why don't we just teach children how to read and write, and then turn them loose in the library to educate themselves? Or do you not think a person can inform themselves without an adult nearby to tell them how to think and what material to read?

 

[desert dude]

your parents allowed you to drop out of school as a freshmen ? and I don't think you were that damn smart that you could just drop out of high school. The Army took you without a diploma or a GED ?

The Army gladly signed me up without a GED or HS diploma.

 

[NoDrama]

The Army took you without a diploma or a GED ?

Try reading for comprehension instead of letting your dissonance kick in every time.

 

[londonfog]

I'm saying our public school system is trash and needs to be fixed. I'm all for an educated society but that's not the purpose of our schools as much as it is an indoctrination of good little soldiers.

I would say some of our public schools need to be fixed, but I'm grateful that we have public schools. I make sure I live in an area with great public schools. I think that is my job as a parent to assure my children get the best education possible. Do you do anything now to help your kids public schooling?

 

[londonfog]

Try reading for comprehension instead of letting your dissonance kick in every time.

I did not know you could join the service without a diploma or at least your GED. I know the USAF won't
@desert dude

 

[londonfog]

No, you have put up only 2 choices, because in your mind there are no alternatives. In your mind public school is "Free". Your cognitive dissonance does not allow you to see alternatives, your mind does not allow you to think outside the box from which you have willingly enslaved yourself to its practices.

Why don't we just teach children how to read and write, and then turn them loose in the library to educate themselves? Or do you not think a person can inform themselves without an adult nearby to tell them how to think and what material to read?

not everyone pays property tax. Not everyone can self learn.

 

[desert dude]

I did not know you could join the service without a diploma or at least your GED. I know the USAF won't
@desert dude

In 1971 the Army wanted meat in boots. I was just lucky that the US was engaged in a bloody, foolish war in Vietnam, I guess. I don't know about the Air Force back then.

Today, all the services insist on a HS diploma, I think.