MMPR Grow op: Small Scale

[R.Raider]

cool ...probably the best way to look at it...
I'm sure the doc wouldn't mind the visit ....nor do I mind visiting him....just each time I'm out of pocket...200 plus..bucks...
so right now if I don't need to...then I can't see the need to...

Docs can only do MMPR right now.

 

[Kron3007]

Thanks for the input. I would like to point out one thing. You mentioned 1 of 3 applications which were virtually the same got accepted. The obvious response would be . How can HC approve one and not the other and say there is any sense of consistency. I believe that this is because HC implicates many times throughout the guidelines(especially those concerning security) the necessity of an extremely unique plan a that is specifically catered to each facility. While I'm sure you are doing this, it is probably very easy for HC to catch similarities or where one would technically be paraphrasing (which as we all learned in high school still counts as plagiarism). So the fact that your application are similar is not necessarily any assurance at all that one will succeed over the other. And if I were HC I could argue that this is an effort to encourage smaller entities to pursue a license as this would discourage bigger firms to duplicate proven models and dominate the market thereby negatively opening the way for the little guy. It could also be said that because smaller entities lack the funds to employ big consultation firms there applications would necessarily be more diverse and unique in nature. This ultimately can be seen as a security tactic. The legislation makes constant reference to risk reduction. Having every building inherently unique would definitely help achieve this goal as an industry. So while your problem is real and serious, it will mainly affect consulting firms and larger producers that are looking into multiple locations. The little guy should not be hindered by the fact that consultants are getting mixed results. For the little guy it just takes one, which all consultants (at least on this thread) have alleged to accomplish. The link to the new forum i talked about above is below.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/how-to-become-a-lp-a-mmpr-thread.859074/

Come back after dealing with Health Canada for a while.

I submitted what was essentially the same application twice (after clearing up zoning issues). The first time around they were very positive, but the second time we didnt have a chance. They change their requirements all the time, and you need to be in it for the long haul and have very deep pockets to get through. Having a politician in your pocket probably wouldn't hurt either.

I know people (multiple groups) who passed their site inspection but have been in limbo for over a year. So if you think you can get through at a low cost, think again. You need to be able to keep the lights running, pay rent, pay for the build out, etc. for an unspecified period and this is not cheap. It is all a series of catch 22s as well, as you will quickly realize.

The whole system makes it nearly impossible for the "little guy" to get through. Of course, if you are a little buy with a big bank account you have a shot.

Good luck with your application, but you should really take all of the experience from us ex-wannabes to heart. As you read through the posts you will find that most of us started out with a somewhat similar attitude, but HC slowly beat it out of us. The situation has only deteriorated since the beginning. You may think that you have superior qualifications that will help you prevail, but I wouldn't assume so much. I've met with a number of people in this regard and being a freshly minted lawyer does not put you on a pedestal, not even close. HC has received about 1000 applicants and only licensed 15; if you think you are more qualified than the other 985 applicants, you may be delusional. Again, I wish you the best of luck but there is a reason that nost of us are "ex-wannabes".

 

[nsbudca]

Come back after dealing with Health Canada for a while.

I submitted what was essentially the same application twice (after clearing up zoning issues). The first time around they were very positive, but the second time we didnt have a chance. They change their requirements all the time, and you need to be in it for the long haul and have very deep pockets to get through. Having a politician in your pocket probably wouldn't hurt either.

I know people (multiple groups) who passed their site inspection but have been in limbo for over a year. So if you think you can get through at a low cost, think again. You need to be able to keep the lights running, pay rent, pay for the build out, etc. for an unspecified period and this is not cheap. It is all a series of catch 22s as well, as you will quickly realize.

The whole system makes it nearly impossible for the "little guy" to get through. Of course, if you are a little buy with a big bank account you have a shot.

Good luck with your application, but you should really take all of the experience from us ex-wannabes to heart. As you read through the posts you will find that most of us started out with a somewhat similar attitude, but HC slowly beat it out of us. The situation has only deteriorated since the beginning. You may think that you have superior qualifications that will help you prevail, but I wouldn't assume so much. I've met with a number of people in this regard and being a freshly minted lawyer does not put you on a pedestal, not even close. HC has received about 1000 applicants and only licensed 15; if you think you are more qualified than the other 985 applicants, you may be delusional. Again, I wish you the best of luck but there is a reason that nost of us are "ex-wannabes".

I told him all of this and scared him off. Lol. It wasn't hard, hippy and the boys did most of the work.

 

[MarijeJane]

Do you smoke or use cannabis ?

As I have stated before, I am firstly a patient. I have been involved in the MMAR since 2008. I am also a registered nurse and have seen medical cannabis have profoundly dramatic and positive results for patients. I am also an organic farmer and yes, I am also in the process of becoming an LP.

 

[WHATFG]

Hey Mari....you are a nurse yes? Does your employer know you're a med mari patient and how did that go? I was also wondering why as a patient you would support the mmpr?

 

[MarijeJane]

Hey Mari....you are a nurse yes? Does your employer know you're a med mari patient and how did that go? I was also wondering why as a patient you would support the mmpr?

My employer is aware of my medical use and I am NEVER under the influence while at work. As a patient, there are many reasons why I think the MMPR is a good thing. The MMPR give cannabis credibility with the masses. The old stigma of marijuana smoking lazy stoners has to go. Cannabis is medicine and it always has been. By medicalizing cannabis and the program under which it it distributed, we can move forward into a much more tolerant society. Like in Colorado, after a few years of having a commercial medical program, the people and the government have now allowed both medical and recreational use. I agree that strict controls are needed. I don't support teenagers using cannabis, or alcohol, or tobacco. I think through a licensed and regulated legal medical program, public opinion will shift and cannabis will be seen as a beneficial plant and not a dangerous drug.

 

[WHATFG]

Thank you for the response...wasn't trying to suggest that you go to work stoned....I was more interested in how that conversation went with your employer. There is someone else here who has not told their employer. How do you suppose the stigma will go if recreational is allowed? It's going to be the same stoners still smoking big fatties just legally. Cannabis is already medicalized...Sativex...seems pretty medical to me...I'm not trying to fight with you I am trying to understand how you could possibly want to be a part of something that you know is not working for patients as a patient. Would you tell me what ails you?

 

[leaffan]

My employer is aware of my medical use and I am NEVER under the influence while at work. As a patient, there are many reasons why I think the MMPR is a good thing. The MMPR give cannabis credibility with the masses. The old stigma of marijuana smoking lazy stoners has to go. Cannabis is medicine and it always has been. By medicalizing cannabis and the program under which it it distributed, we can move forward into a much more tolerant society. Like in Colorado, after a few years of having a commercial medical program, the people and the government have now allowed both medical and recreational use. I agree that strict controls are needed. I don't support teenagers using cannabis, or alcohol, or tobacco. I think through a licensed and regulated legal medical program, public opinion will shift and cannabis will be seen as a beneficial plant and not a dangerous drug.

"The MMPR give cannabis credibility with the masses"...really? Because a company is more credible than an individual? SNC Lavalin? A company operating as an LP wouldn't bend the rules or break them?...I can give you some examples if you want...

"Cannabis is medicine and it always has been"...Health Canada doesn't think so. Nothing really changes until their opinion changes.

 

[gb123]

Ya, the MMPR is ok if you like to support highway robbery. It's even better if you have a job as a Nurse and can afford some top choice MMPR weed for what ever ally's you.
But... the whole idea really sucks large if you are disabled ...don't work...and cannot afford such bullshit thievery which we all know can be put right down to pure greed.

Sounds like the joint has already got to you Marie.

 

[leaffan]

Everywhere else that has a medical marijuana program allows patients to also grow for themselves...why do we have to be so obtuse?

 

[The Hippy]

As I have stated before, I am firstly a patient. I have been involved in the MMAR since 2008. I am also a registered nurse and have seen medical cannabis have profoundly dramatic and positive results for patients. I am also an organic farmer and yes, I am also in the process of becoming an LP.

Just wondered.

 

[MarijeJane]

Thank you for the response...wasn't trying to suggest that you go to work stoned....I was more interested in how that conversation went with your employer. There is someone else here who has not told their employer. How do you suppose the stigma will go if recreational is allowed? It's going to be the same stoners still smoking big fatties just legally. Cannabis is already medicalized...Sativex...seems pretty medical to me...I'm not trying to fight with you I am trying to understand how you could possibly want to be a part of something that you know is not working for patients as a patient. Would you tell me what ails you?

Without being specific, I have had 11 orthopedic surgeries and am quite limited in some movement. I have chronic pain secondary to those surgeries. I agree that the MMPR is currently not optimal but I hope that it will improve. Through the medicalization of cannabis, I hope that in the near future it will be covered under all medical benefits programs including social assistance. Can you imagine a Canada where even the poor, the handicapped, the palliative patients can have legal, safe, quick and free cannabis? I think the only way we will get there is with a regulated, controlled program such as the MMPR.

 

[VIANARCHRIS]

Without being specific, I have had 11 orthopedic surgeries and am quite limited in some movement. I have chronic pain secondary to those surgeries. I agree that the MMPR is currently not optimal but I hope that it will improve. Through the medicalization of cannabis, I hope that in the near future it will be covered under all medical benefits programs including social assistance. Can you imagine a Canada where even the poor, the handicapped, the palliative patients can have legal, safe, quick and free cannabis? I think the only way we will get there is with a regulated, controlled program such as the MMPR.

By allowing home grows and compassion clubs, all of those patients can be taken care of. LP's may have a place in the system, but they can't have a monopoly. Saying by growing my own I somehow have less credibility as a patient than someone who buys from an LP is, quite frankly, insulting. Many patients do not want to rely on the government or their agents for our medical care.

 

[cannadan]

The key here at least for me ...is to have full control of what gets used to grow my plants (meds)
should I have to trust that someone else will do this with my best interest in mind?
especially when there are dollars concerned

 

[WHATFG]

Thanks for the answer mari....I hear ya on the multiple surgeries/chronic pain thing. However, I will respectfully disagree on the MMPR being the best model out there. I kind of like the "free for all" in CO...let the best growers survive and the rest can work as trimmers. I seriously think CO has it going on as far a mj is concerned.

 

[doingdishes]

i would like to see us have choice-if we can grow ourselves-let us. if we have someone who will grow that we trust-let us. if we HAVE to use LP-let us.
there's enough room for everyone in this pool. let's swim together instead of our "groups" of MMAR here & MMPR overthere....and the new guys, well..you go over there

 

[MarijeJane]

I agree with many of you but I hope that cannabis will become a drug with a DIN number and therefore would be covered under medical plans. To grow your own or buy it from a dispensary, cc, dg or any other source is more money than many patients can afford. Many are too unwell, don`t have the space or the skills to grow. They also don`t have to money to buy from growers, dgs ccs. LPs or any other source. If it had a DIN number, it would be covered under medical insurances and social assistance.

 

[leaffan]

I agree with many of you but I hope that cannabis will become a drug with a DIN number and therefore would be covered under medical plans. To grow your own or buy it from a dispensary, cc, dg or any other source is more money than many patients can afford. Many are too unwell, don`t have the space or the skills to grow. They also don`t have to money to buy from growers, dgs ccs. LPs or any other source. If it had a DIN number, it would be covered under medical insurances and social assistance.

That is an excellent point.

 

[leaffan]

Docs can only do MMPR right now.

I'm not so sure of that....getting a "medical document" from your doc doesn't mean that you have to send it to an LP.

 

[OG_pharma]

Blue Cross covers medical cannabis from an approved LP .... All the LP's are getting their employee's a medical document so they can give them the weed they grow and have their insurer pay for it... win win for everyone... employee gets free weed and the LP's insurance company gives the LP the money for it...