Hello, I'm not a newb to growing in general, but I'm new to hydroponics and just started my first hydro project with GHE's ecogrower. So, I had some problems with getting the Ph/ppm right due to shitty equipment and my own absent-mindedness. But anyway, the plants are rooted, and been planted to the grower about 24 hours ago. So I finally got it right, the PH is at 5,4 and Ppm at 405 (about 0,57 ec) Is the EC too low, or is the right PH more important now so the plant can use the little bit of nutrients in there? Should I just let my setup roll, and add nutrients at some point?
Good PPM for rooted clones?
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THE KONASSURE
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rooted clones depends on the strain
Normally I`d feed between 200 and 800 ppm for a plant in early to mid veg
remember to ppm your water before hand so you know what your starting point is
Most tap water has around 50% plant viable things in it
So there is a bit of an argument as to if you discount the whole number or just half of it
My tap water is between 200 and 400ppm out of the tap go`s up and down depending on the time of year
Normally I`d feed between 200 and 800 ppm for a plant in early to mid veg
remember to ppm your water before hand so you know what your starting point is
Most tap water has around 50% plant viable things in it
So there is a bit of an argument as to if you discount the whole number or just half of it
My tap water is between 200 and 400ppm out of the tap go`s up and down depending on the time of year
Logan Burke
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I think mine were around 200-300, it's my first go at hydro myself but it's working out well.
FrozenChozen
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tap water only for clones.... imho don't worry about ph and nutrients for clones.... that's just my opinion though
waterdawg
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They have roots! Pretty sure its a good ideal to monitor and adjust at that point. But obviously you know your tap water parameters.
Aye.. now the problem is that my PH drops drastically over night... I adjust the Ph to about 5,5~ and it drops to 3 overnight. I cant think of anything else that when I got the clones, one of them had alittle brown on the root, And I thought I just plant it on good enviroment and it will start growing healthy roots. So my thought of it is that maybe the one clones rockwool is adding so muc hbacteria to the tank? It didn't smell bad or wasn't slimy or anything so I planted it despite the fact it had just a bit of sick root...
Jimdamick
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For a clone with roots I would start with around 350/400 PPM and keep an eye for yellow tips on the leaves. some plants can take a heavy feed while other will burn at the same PPM, but 400 should be fine.I increase my PPM weekly until I reach a peak of around 1200/1250, and then I go backward for the last two or three weeks. The PH problem is probably a nute or medium thing, but if you know that your PPM going to drop that much, I would adjust my PH to 6, which is an OK measurement. 5.4 in my opinion is too low, I would aim for 5.8
Logan Burke
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That's strange, I read something about causes of PH drop and PH rise, rising can mean your plants using nitrogen (CAN mean that). I can't remember about pH drop though, Ill have to find that thread again...and I'd just keep an eye on that affected root. If it get's worse and spreads, then you've a problem, but until then I think you're alright...may I ask what temperature you're maintaining water at? I caught pythium within my first couple weeks of hydro due to higher than ideal water temps...but if it doesn't smell&isn't slimey, than perhaps it's just bacteria from a light leak or something along those lines? Just thinking out loud. 
P.S. I agree with Jim, I typically try to keep mine at 5.8 on the dot, but that's just what works for me. For the first while, I even kept it at 6.3 and 6.4....
P.S. I agree with Jim, I typically try to keep mine at 5.8 on the dot, but that's just what works for me. For the first while, I even kept it at 6.3 and 6.4....
Logan Burke
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I believe you're right about the pH drop! You saying that triggered my memory on that thread, and pythium can cause a drop in pH, along with some other things. When your plant has pythium nutrient uptake is slowed also, which could multiply the affect on the pH. If I were you and expected I had pythium/root rot, I would buy a bottle of Hydroguard. I swear by it, I caught pythium WITH h202 being added regularly and came to the conclusion that it's easier to populate beneficial microbes that keep pythium from breeding than to attempt to kill every living organism in your water but the roots themselves. Read this link http://www.growweedeasy.com/root-rot
It's what made me decide to try Hydroguard, and haven't looked back since! I also had the exact same results as the person in that link...
waterdawg
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No root issues in my grow, i run a tea!I believe you're right about the pH drop! You saying that triggered my memory on that thread, and pythium can cause a drop in pH, along with some other things. When your plant has pythium nutrient uptake is slowed also, which could multiply the affect on the pH. If I were you and expected I had pythium/root rot, I would buy a bottle of Hydroguard. I swear by it, I caught pythium WITH h202 being added regularly and came to the conclusion that it's easier to populate beneficial microbes that keep pythium from breeding than to attempt to kill every living organism in your water but the roots themselves. Read this link http://www.growweedeasy.com/root-rot
It's what made me decide to try Hydroguard, and haven't looked back since! I also had the exact same results as the person in that link...
Silky Shagsalot
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rooted clones can take a good bit of feed, they're the same age as the mother sooo. as mentioned, i'd shoot for 5.8 for your ph. your ph swings may be because your rez is too small. if you have several plants sucking on a small amount of water, they can quickly have an effect on your ph...
Logan Burke
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I never considered the small amount of water being a factor of the issue...good point Silky.
I was meaning that towards D.E.S, but hell yeah man, I've heard of a lot of growers using tea for their roots.
Logan Burke
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Ah, nice to see another grower switching from h202 to bennies, wouldn't you agree that bennies (in all forms, tea, hydroguard, microbe lift, other inoculants) are more effective and healthy than a total sterile root zone? Whether it be via h202, chlorine/chloramines, bleach, and all of the other harsh chemicals people use in the hopes of a totally sterile (by the way, sterile means non-living I'm pretty sure, got's to check my dictionary...
why'd someone want a total life absent root zone anyways?). This is all my opinion though...another may come by and call me names, but I know what works best for my babies and their roots... 
why'd someone want a total life absent root zone anyways?). This is all my opinion though...another may come by and call me names, but I know what works best for my babies and their roots...
waterdawg
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Pretty new to the tea thing so would not want to make a definitive statement but it seems to work very well. Its way cheaper than H2O2 and fingers dont turn white lol.Ah, nice to see another grower switching from h202 to bennies, wouldn't you agree that bennies (in all forms, tea, hydroguard, microbe lift, other inoculants) are more effective and healthy than a total sterile root zone? Whether it be via h202, chlorine/chloramines, bleach, and all of the other harsh chemicals people use in the hopes of a totally sterile (by the way, sterile means non-living I'm pretty sure, got's to check my dictionary...