AlphaPhase
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Whoa, good timing Dr p, I knew about the smart pots for sure, they are great but I never thought about trimming dwc roots but so glad I did! The girls loved it brotha
giving defoliation during flower a try
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Dr.Pecker
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Looks good packing them in there. Did you see my organic garden?
AlphaPhase
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Thanks man, 95% of the time I just let them do their thing and might take a leaf or two off, but I wanted to see what a heavier pruning can do, I'm ready for the consequences, but these are only 3 weeks since 12/12 and the frost is incredible and bud structure and density is great. What I noticed with the extreme pruned plant is they are much shorter. I flowered at about 10" and they are a tad over 30" now. Thinking they should be close to done growing upwards, except I don't know what to expect from the 2 plants in the front. It's all a fun learning experience to see what happens really. It's just hash stach lol. Haven't checked out your garden bro, you got a link and I'll swing in, I love good organic grow, I'm gonna start some super soil soon for this spring.
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AlphaPhase
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Woops, the heavy pruned plant is like 19" and those were flowered at 11" I think, the others are much taller I meant
AlphaPhase
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Nice!!! Love the color of those pistils, that's insane! What strains ya running?
Dr.Pecker
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I talk about it in this thread. https://www.rollitup.org/t/water-only.851064/
stankyyank
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Sorry, I shouldn't accuse you of quoting anyone, I used the wrong word there. It's more like leveraging your credibility with noobs by associating with an article from a popular magazine. It's one thing to be right, it's another to be boastful. And who's judge what's right here? A little pruning has been used for many crops, and it may work quite well for some strains, so find some better evidence to move the conversation forward.
Some genetics might still produce a 1/2 lb even if neglected and tortured, and many would be impressed by the yield, but if I knew I was going to pull 1 - 1 1/2 lb(s) a plant by treating it right... well that's another game, isn't it? I'm not foreign to scrog, and I like the idea of exploring cannabis' responses to environmental changes. In the end, I take more away from understanding why a process happens, and with that comes a scientific explanation. Enlighten me.
Some genetics might still produce a 1/2 lb even if neglected and tortured, and many would be impressed by the yield, but if I knew I was going to pull 1 - 1 1/2 lb(s) a plant by treating it right... well that's another game, isn't it? I'm not foreign to scrog, and I like the idea of exploring cannabis' responses to environmental changes. In the end, I take more away from understanding why a process happens, and with that comes a scientific explanation. Enlighten me.
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AlphaPhase
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Very well said stankyyank, thanks for a nice civil post. You're right on the money. I've done a few scrogs, last grow I did a scrog but I'm not very good at it though, figured I'd give it a shot and 1/2 of it turned out great the other half of plants not so much, I don't like not being able to check the roots and move the plants and my roots clogged the drain on an ebb bucket so a couple plants got ridiculously over watered. I might give it a shot again, but I have more experience with sog grows whichis similar. TThat's what I'm trying to go for with my current grow, a sog like canopy with 1/3 of the plants, it's working good and much less work, just have to train for tops alot in the beginning and lots of tieing branches
AlphaPhase
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Something that probably goes against what you've heard before about day and night ttemps. Night should be Colder right? Well to the contrary, a warmer temp at night will result in tighter nodes and less stretching. Something I've learned recently. It's called + dif and that kind of blew my mind. It's a form of environmental control. Best used during the 2 or 3 weeks of stretch.
AlphaPhase
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Oh, and about defoliation of mj, there are no studies, trust me, I've learned much about every other plant and it's effects of defoliation, but there are no real studied of defoliation on mj. I could recite 100 different studies from beans to cotton, but none is really relevant, but it does make you wonder "what if" about mj and defoliation, I think that's why people are interested. It's all hear say, and believe me, I've seen some incredible defoliation grows in person, it's really remarkable and made no sense to me. But people do do it, and there is no science for it yet, just trial and error and it's more of an art than anything imo. It's not something anyone should jump in to and cut their leaves off because they will be pissed at the end. It takes years of growing the same strains and growing many strains and trying different levels of pruning.
stankyyank
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This is a neat trick, but you gotta watch the plant and don't let it go it too long. From what I've read, and experienced, it will start to lose its nice green color when subjected for too long. Like any stress, there's only so much sitting around and taking it before a plant reacts.
Uncle Ben
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And now a testimony to grower and plant magic!
10X better, tried something "new"? Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you done screwed that plant realllllllllllll good.
Ate the airstone, eh? One reason why I wouldn't touch DWC.Well, guess what I did last night? Tried something new! My dwc roots were HUGE and ate the airstone a few weeks ago. Guess what I did? I said fuck it and cut the fuckers off! The plant was looking like crap. Was expecting the worst, right? Well, I woke up to the plant looking 10x better than it has in weeks!! AND all PERKY as hell! I was going to scrap it last night and decided to give this a shot before I threw it away! Now it's fucking amazing looking! And I have before and after pics
10X better, tried something "new"? Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you done screwed that plant realllllllllllll good.
Uncle Ben
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no shit! It doesn't get any cheesier than HT Rag.
Uncle Ben
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Lil bit of difference here.....
Smart pots and other root tip pruning systems don't remove the engine of root uptake and plant health - root hairs. They induce quite the opposite, a fibrous root system with more root hairs. I've grown about everything you can imagine for 45 years and for some kid to pass off some crap that overnight his plant is growing better "than every before" cause he butchered the root system just insults my (botanical) intelligence.
Now, I wouldn't be caught dead doing DWC or SCROG. I'm a simple man.
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Uncle Ben
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FWIW, they need more N.
Aeroknow
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Alpha, here's that single tangilope plant all done up. All said and done 220gr. Remember, it was one of 5 plants under a 1000w. And it was not directly under the middle of lamp. So the way I look at it, I can pull 2.5lbs off this pheno. Problem is, I don't really like it. Way to orange for my taste. It's outta here.
Anyways, I don't think defoliating would have helped the yield. I've never tried defoliating, I'm stubborn I guess.
Not the prettiest of strains, but
Dense nugs:
Pkbooster:
If I used the nutrient brand you do, would I have yielded more? This was maxibloom ONLY(with a little Calmag+)
And don't tell me it would taste better! Lol