Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

greasemonkeymann

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Powder form of Mycorrhizae and Fungi products

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funny how most of the ultra expensive ones are full of trichoderma.
One of the rare times that cheaper is a better product.
Oregonism, ZHO, great white....CRAP
I don't remember who it was (one of us organic nerds) but they had a wonderful analogy of trichoderma and myco, using zebra and lions for the analogy. It was a great way to explain it.
 
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SouthernSoil*

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I use the xtreme myco, cheap, has the right type of myco, not full of trichos and its granulated.
Thank you again bro, these are the products i found
Link , not sure which one but it must be, although its either the supergro or green product because the other two are in millilitres. Will appreciate any other advice on the product, much respect :peace::leaf::peace:
 

MJtheIndicator

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All it takes is someone doing a control test out of a small package and some of the manufacturers might have to change their strategy, but at least we will get some exciting product artwork out it if they do decide to change up the game. Always room for reptiles battling sea urchins and polar bears on bottle stickers.
 

DonPetro

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I personally don't mind using organic blood and bone meal, cow/steer manure. People gonna always eat meat and all that blood and bone has to be used for something. The shit on the other hand is just a bonus! @DonTesla will be testing two mixes with crushed eggshells being the only "animal by-product" in one and the other containing both organic blood and bone meal. They also both contain the same amounts of various other amendments. Not sure how having more or less different amendments and the rates at which they break down affects the microbial process within the soil mix. Anyways...
 

Pattahabi

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All it takes is someone doing a control test out of a small package and some of the manufacturers might have to change their strategy, but at least we will get some exciting product artwork out it if they do decide to change up the game. Always room for reptiles battling sea urchins and polar bears on bottle stickers.
You you should totally do a side by side!
 
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DonPetro

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@DonPetro When they saw organic blood and bone meal, does that mean they come from certified organic cows? Just curious.

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Well im not to clear on that but blood is only allowed if sterilized and this is what i found on bone meal :
Permitted only if guaranteed free of specified risk materials including the skull, brain, trigeminal ganglia (nerves attached to the brain), eyes, tonsils, spinal cord and dorsal root ganglia (nerves attached to the spinal cord) of cattle aged 30 months or older; and the distal ileum (portion of the small intestine) of cattle of all ages
This pdf is actuall quite interesting as they list all the requirement of usage and origin of a ton of amendments.
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=R71mVN3ZGM79oQS634H4Dg&url=http://www.ecocertcanada.com/sites/www.ecocertcanada.com/files/032-0311-2008-eng.pdf&ved=0CBwQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNF0sBcGxXmWrjOgeGIUHIFTESvVFA
And ecocert has pretty good standards imo...f@#$ omri.
 

Pattahabi

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That's an excellent resource DP! I'm still not sold I would want blood and bone meal in my soil. Maybe if I couldn't find neem, crab, kelp, etc.

Peace!

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SouthernSoil*

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Dont wanna be a dick here but its the worst when people suggest using things but cant help you choose the product ... : / Greasemonkey i think im going to leave out the Myco cause its not really nescessary, i think if it made such a difference Mad Ham would use it too. Just getting annoyed with buying all this shit all the time & im letting the plant get more root bound while trying to find some myco which might make it grow 0.1 of a second quicker ? jeez...
 

DonPetro

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Dont wanna be a dick here but its the worst when people suggest using things but cant help you choose the product ... : / Greasemonkey i think im going to leave out the Myco cause its not really nescessary, i think if it made such a difference Mad Ham would use it too. Just getting annoyed with buying all this shit all the time & im letting the plant get more root bound while trying to find some myco which might make it grow 0.1 of a second quicker ? jeez...
A lot of people will say use this and use that. Not everything people suggest is a must have. You gotta decide that on your own. I suggest making a list of all the amendments YOU WOULD LIKE to have then go about sourcing them the best you can. You may not get everything you want that first run but you will learn alot along the way.
 

Pattahabi

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Dont wanna be a dick here but its the worst when people suggest using things but cant help you choose the product ... : / Greasemonkey i think im going to leave out the Myco cause its not really nescessary, i think if it made such a difference Mad Ham would use it too. Just getting annoyed with buying all this shit all the time & im letting the plant get more root bound while trying to find some myco which might make it grow 0.1 of a second quicker ? jeez...
SS, look for a mykos product with a decent spore count and preferably a low trichoderma count, and call it a day. Here's a kilo of the product I use for $25.

http://www.amazon.com/Xtreme-Gardening-RT4402-Mykos-2-2-Pound/dp/B003STB5N6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1416061956&sr=8-1&keywords=xtreme+mykos

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SouthernSoil*

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A lot of people will say use this and use that. Not everything people suggest is a must have. You gotta decide that on your own. I suggest making a list of all the amendments YOU WOULD LIKE to have then go about sourcing them the best you can. You may not get everything you want that first run but you will learn alot along the way.
Appreciate the reply, i understand what you mean though, ill definitely try source some of it for my next run along with a few other things as it is my 1st ever indoor run. I read up some other information on myco though and apparently its no use if i already have other native microbes within my soil which should be already present due to having a 1/3 of EWC in my base mix ? Not sure how valid this is but yeah, i wont stress about not having it in this time. Thank You Don
 

SouthernSoil*

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SS, look for a mykos product with a decent spore count and preferably a low trichoderma count, and call it a day. Here's a kilo of the product I use for $25.

http://www.amazon.com/Xtreme-Gardening-RT4402-Mykos-2-2-Pound/dp/B003STB5N6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1416061956&sr=8-1&keywords=xtreme mykos

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Thank you P, i need to do alot more reading about this stuff before my next grow, it would be good to get the right stuff from amazon but i would like to first try and compare the local myco's i can get here, ill have to get in contact with the manufacturer but not sure how honest they can be about the trichoderma count, appreciate it.
 

st0wandgrow

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@DonPetro When they saw organic blood and bone meal, does that mean they come from certified organic cows? Just curious.

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Something to consider is that DP is from Alberta, which is the cattle capital of Canada (CCC?). There is much more land for cattle to graze up there, and much less use of antibiotics, steroids, etc. Alberta beef is as good as it comes. Only speculating, but I would have to imagine that the slaughter house by products from there would be of a higher quality than here in the States.

I'm a vegetarian so I still wouldn't use it, but that's beside the point. :-)
 

DonPetro

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I would not use animal by-products if i was a caregiver/licensed producer but personally have no problem using them.
Something to consider is that DP is from Alberta, which is the cattle capital of Canada (CCC?). There is much more land for cattle to graze up there, and much less use of antibiotics, steroids, etc. Alberta beef is as good as it comes. Only speculating, but I would have to imagine that the slaughter house by products from there would be of a higher quality than here in the States.

I'm a vegetarian so I still wouldn't use it, but that's beside the point. :-)
 
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